On August 16 2023 07:53 TMNT wrote:On August 16 2023 04:10 MaGic~PhiL wrote:havent watched more than the Rain vs Calm game.. but.. a Toss of Rains level scouting a 3 hatch (!!!!!!) before pool and still building cannon before core gotta be a joke.
Even I as a max 2100 mmr Protoss know I can build a core before a cannon vs 3 hatch. Some1 can explain to me how a player of Rains caliber does not?
On August 15 2023 20:37 TMNT wrote:
The Calm vs Rain game is one of those ZvP games that you can say the P does nothing wrong but still loses. P doesn't even try to be greedy or take any risk. He just loses because the matchup is designed like that. And that's why P is the worst race.
He built a cannon before core vs 3 hatch before pool.. how is this .. "not doing anything wrong"
I expect to know a 3 hatch before pool to be identifiable by a 1800 mmr toss .. yet a 2800 mmr, decorated Pro can not?
what a joke
I think the actual joke here is a max 2100 foreign Protoss calling the play of a multiple SL champion a joke.
He already identified it way earlier by cancelling his Forge for a Nexus first build. By the time he built that Cannon, he hadn't mined gas yet and then he went for +1 before Stargate/Citadel, which means rushing the Core out earlier would serve no purpose. Instead he wanted the first Zealots to leave base immediately which makes the cannon a necessity (it's a delayed cannon compared to normal cannon timing of a Nexus first build anyway). But yeah you think you're smarter by cutting corners like Mini, but you don't seem to know what you can achieve from building that core before cannon do you?
I was thinking what if Rain got storm done already when the hydras came, but then Calm could just micro them a bit to dodge the storm and then it'd be the same ending. So as someone said, it's essentially a BO win from Calm, but he did have to work for it. It's more or less similar to a cross spawn Nexus first 2 base Carrier win in PvT, but much easier.
Calm pretty much won the game the moment Rain decided to not open with a Gateway. I think normally he would do Gate expand, but he probably thought Calm would cheese him with a 9 Pool or something like he did with Soulkey, because everyone including Calm himself knows that Calm wouldn't win in a straight up macro game. You can say he won the mind game here but essentially it's a toss up really.