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[ASL15] Ro4 Day 2 - Page 7
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Peeano
Netherlands5458 Posts
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TMNT
3155 Posts
On April 18 2023 21:56 M3t4PhYzX wrote: why did they scrapped the 3rd place btw, anyone knows? after such a long time, too.. a bit of a shame because there was no pressure on the players and sometimes it had better games than the grand final. I guess it's kind of a pointless game. Neither players are really interested in it, and the viewers as well. Same reason that many sports don't have that game as well. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4253 Posts
On April 18 2023 21:53 Peeano wrote: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Xl7X0NE.png) nice is the map order known already? | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4253 Posts
On April 18 2023 21:59 TMNT wrote: I guess it's kind of a pointless game. Neither players are really interested in it, and the viewers as well. Same reason that many sports don't have that game as well. that's a shame it had better games than the final sometimes.. oh well.. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5458 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13409 Posts
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Kaal
Djibouti2556 Posts
On April 18 2023 21:50 Zariel wrote: I dont get why TvT finals is all that bad to be honest, maybe cuz I'm a terran purist. I really like the chess and strategical aspect of it Its a leftover sentiment from the Kespa era. TvT used to be the most absolutely insufferable matchup but Flash revolutionized the matchup with air play and 1/1/1 type builds and it's become much more fun. It used to be 200/200 supply of tanks and vultures with missle turrets slowly moving at each other for an hour. Or a BBS. | ||
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Katkishka
United States657 Posts
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Destroyer
Czech Republic948 Posts
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TMNT
3155 Posts
To me JYJ's run is still a fluke because he didn't really show anything special last ASLs or his form online. Also he gets to dodge TvP. Meanwhile, Mind has always been a top Terran. MSL Champion, and one of the best Terrans in the ASL era (before he went to the military and the trio of Light Rush Royal stepped up). It took him one season to get back to top form but at least we know this is what he's always capable of. And guess what? After coming back from the military, Zero also wasn't able to qualify for one season, only to come back and win 2 in a row. | ||
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On April 19 2023 02:39 TMNT wrote: I probably won't watch the finals but I hope Mind takes it. To me JYJ's run is still a fluke because he didn't really show anything special last ASLs or his form online. Also he gets to dodge TvP. Meanwhile, Mind has always been a top Terran. MSL Champion, and one of the best Terrans in the ASL era (before he went to the military and the trio of Light Rush Royal stepped up). It took him one season to get back to top form but at least we know this is what he's always capable of. And guess what? After coming back from the military, Zero also wasn't able to qualify for one season, only to come back and win 2 in a row. JyJ's been slowly creeping up higher in the ASL placements since Season 7. He's proven himself to be a rock solid competitor on stage. He's got nerves as cold as ice and maintains focus. It is definitely not a fluke. BUT the problem this ASL lies in the favorites crapping the bed and going out miserably which definitely changed who could progress to the finals. Mini and Soma being in Ro16 would have changed everything dramatically because they are, with light, the most dominant players in online play. But as this ASL has shown, online play =/= offline play. JyJ and Hero are both prime examples of this. Other pros praise his insane attention to optimization details and macro. Other pros recognize his skill. | ||
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superjoppe
Sweden3686 Posts
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On April 19 2023 03:09 superjoppe wrote: Meh, I guess the finals will be 5 hours of tank battles. I would much rather have an intense TvZ final. Anyway, congrats on both Mind and Jyj for going this far! have you not watched any ASL for the past 8 seasons? | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On April 19 2023 03:01 RJBTV wrote: JyJ's been slowly creeping up higher in the ASL placements since Season 7. He's proven himself to be a rock solid competitor on stage. He's got nerves as cold as ice and maintains focus. Yeah, exactly. Some people are at 85% when they get on the big stage, some people play at 100%. It's not set in stone --- it's a skill you can work on --- but yeah, JyJ is one of those 100%-type players who just deliver no matter what. Good thing is, I don't think Mind gets nerves either, so it's going to be a great TvT. I think it will be an exciting final match. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
All that 5 zergs ro8 to give us TvT final. Terran is the master race! 910 needs to come up with HEAVY anti terran maps next season lol (+ anti FlaSh ^^). Also what's up with falling out of chair whenever you seeded to finals lol. Last season RoyaL now JyJ. | ||
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On April 19 2023 03:09 superjoppe wrote: Meh, I guess the finals will be 5 hours of tank battles. I would much rather have an intense TvZ final. Anyway, congrats on both Mind and Jyj for going this far! That's the TvT of 13 years ago. Modern TvT is much more refined and strategic and diverse. Royal vs Rush was amazing TvT. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On April 19 2023 03:31 outscar wrote: Is 2 port wraith JyJ's new secret weapon? He closed both TvZ series with that. All that 5 zergs ro8 to give us TvT final. Terran is the master race! 910 needs to come up with HEAVY anti terran maps next season lol (+ anti FlaSh ^^). Also what's up with falling out of chair whenever you seeded to finals lol. Last season RoyaL now JyJ. Even the most energetic gamers can't break these chairs. Very creative marketing ploy if you ask me. | ||
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TMNT
3155 Posts
On April 19 2023 03:01 RJBTV wrote: JyJ's been slowly creeping up higher in the ASL placements since Season 7. He's proven himself to be a rock solid competitor on stage. He's got nerves as cold as ice and maintains focus. It is definitely not a fluke. BUT the problem this ASL lies in the favorites crapping the bed and going out miserably which definitely changed who could progress to the finals. Mini and Soma being in Ro16 would have changed everything dramatically because they are, with light, the most dominant players in online play. But as this ASL has shown, online play =/= offline play. JyJ and Hero are both prime examples of this. Other pros praise his insane attention to optimization details and macro. Other pros recognize his skill. I know he's been improving, just don't think he's THAT good (championship level good). Like Royal, he avoided TvP almost all the way to the finals (just last months he was losing to Stork, Free and YSC regularly in K-League). And we all know that with TvZ, any of the top 5 Terrans can beat any of the top 5 Zergs on a given day. He narrowly beat Soulkey and Hero but to me it's more like two successive coincidental results. And by that I don't mean he accidentally beat those guys or undeservedly, but it's more like: if they played 10 Bo5 for example, Soulkey would still win 7 of them and Hero 6 of them, but JYJ happens to get the one win that matters. Not sure I explain that clear enough but it's my general idea. BW is a fine margin game at this level and I don't think deducing a player's level based on few ASL results is fair. Like Royal who was looking immaculate last season, then followed that with insane form online as well, only to cool off recently (online) and stumble at ASL. He's of course still top 3 Terran but I never thought he surpassed Light. Just like now I don't think JYJ is THAT good yet. | ||
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redknights
206 Posts
anticipating ASL 5-level anti-terran maps next season | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
would i be wrong if i said it seems like mind's build orders/tactics are his strengths, tending towards defensive macro styles in tvp, whereas jyj excells in micro, macro? actually mind seems to have great macro too. i will probably be happy no matter who wins. rip best tho | ||
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