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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13006 Posts
April 17 2023 13:13 GMT
#81
Don’t want to take anything away from Mind, he was great today.

But damn, Best with a bit of a choke today. His engagements left a lot to be desired. Some questionable decision making too.

Real missed opportunity for Best this series. Got his favourite matchup in the ro4 with some pretty generous PvT maps. This one will hurt.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
April 17 2023 13:14 GMT
#82
Re-take 9oclock. Mind: nahhhh

Float CC to middle of map 6 mineral patches. Mind: ohhh yeahhh

Tanks are a thing of beauty. That 2tank+vulture to take out Best's 2 o'clock followed by killing ~15 probes at the 3oclock was so good.

Best's repeated attacks just... beat himself.

Amazing series either way! Mind to the finals!
sup
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1180 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-17 13:17:21
April 17 2023 13:15 GMT
#83
Unfortunately, even if you're neutral I think you can pick up that the series was lost more than won. Which always makes up for not so entertaining games.

Mind does deserve it though, his preparation was on point. And I think of him as having a real chance to win it all. No matter who gets through in the other semifinal.

For Best, I think the style he is playing in PvT (shuttle-templar) is just way too demanding mechanically for someone that can seemingly only play at 60% in offline settings. For the future, if he somehow mixes up his strats more he could have better chances against these rock solid Terrans.
Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile161 Posts
April 17 2023 13:16 GMT
#84
Quite disappointing play from Best practically the entire series.
Too few Gateways, too many zealots and not enough Observers. It's sad but, oh well, it's to be expected at this point.

I know I'm supposed to root for Mind's opponent as vengeance for taking down Best, but Mind's my favorite Terran and I really like the way he's been playing so he'll be on my LB.
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1180 Posts
April 17 2023 13:19 GMT
#85
On April 17 2023 22:16 Galacsia wrote:
Quite disappointing play from Best practically the entire series.
Too few Gateways, too many zealots and not enough Observers. It's sad but, oh well, it's to be expected at this point.

I know I'm supposed to root for Mind's opponent as vengeance for taking down Best, but Mind's my favorite Terran and I really like the way he's been playing so he'll be on my LB.


Gonna disagree there, he had a lot of Obs flying around this series. Way more than in the past, IIRC.

But observers can't kill tanks, so that didn't matter in the end.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
April 17 2023 13:27 GMT
#86
Yeah he pretty much never stepped into mines and lost units cheaply for the entire series.

The problem is Mind's style just hard counter Best's. Heavily. Flying multiple Shuttles into a fortified position is never a good idea. Then there was, weirdly, a lot of Zealot vs Vulture fight. And his usage of storm was almost non-existent.

Then there's probably the psychological aspect. The last game on Retro, if Best could just calm down and, even after he lost his 4th base, retake it and then top right, he might have a better chance.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13006 Posts
April 17 2023 13:49 GMT
#87
On April 17 2023 22:27 TMNT wrote:
Yeah he pretty much never stepped into mines and lost units cheaply for the entire series.

The problem is Mind's style just hard counter Best's. Heavily. Flying multiple Shuttles into a fortified position is never a good idea. Then there was, weirdly, a lot of Zealot vs Vulture fight. And his usage of storm was almost non-existent.

Then there's probably the psychological aspect. The last game on Retro, if Best could just calm down and, even after he lost his 4th base, retake it and then top right, he might have a better chance.

Big agree. I don’t get why he was so bloody minded in attacking Mind. Mind was playing pretty passively which best could’ve exploited and retake some expos. But instead he kept trying to bash into the turtled Terran.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile161 Posts
April 17 2023 14:02 GMT
#88
On April 17 2023 22:19 oxKnu wrote:
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On April 17 2023 22:16 Galacsia wrote:
Quite disappointing play from Best practically the entire series.
Too few Gateways, too many zealots and not enough Observers. It's sad but, oh well, it's to be expected at this point.

I know I'm supposed to root for Mind's opponent as vengeance for taking down Best, but Mind's my favorite Terran and I really like the way he's been playing so he'll be on my LB.


Gonna disagree there, he had a lot of Obs flying around this series. Way more than in the past, IIRC.

But observers can't kill tanks, so that didn't matter in the end.

You might be right. But if i remember correctly although not major mines hit Best's units, they did soften the Zealots and also they gave Mind all the map control he needed to slow down Best which allowed Mind to be safe and get his upgraded army.
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-17 14:07:17
April 17 2023 14:06 GMT
#89
On April 17 2023 22:49 RowdierBob wrote:
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On April 17 2023 22:27 TMNT wrote:
Yeah he pretty much never stepped into mines and lost units cheaply for the entire series.

The problem is Mind's style just hard counter Best's. Heavily. Flying multiple Shuttles into a fortified position is never a good idea. Then there was, weirdly, a lot of Zealot vs Vulture fight. And his usage of storm was almost non-existent.

Then there's probably the psychological aspect. The last game on Retro, if Best could just calm down and, even after he lost his 4th base, retake it and then top right, he might have a better chance.

Big agree. I don’t get why he was so bloody minded in attacking Mind. Mind was playing pretty passively which best could’ve exploited and retake some expos. But instead he kept trying to bash into the turtled Terran.

Best played like Shuttle today, in that he just threw zealots and shuttles into Mind's position and hoped for the best (lmao too many puns not intended in that one).

Instead, he should have played like Snow: get as much value out of reaver and storm as you can, never fully engage Terran, while taking the entire map (and getting into arbiter or carrier depending on the situationi) and storm drops until Terran runs out of money.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2007 Posts
April 17 2023 16:12 GMT
#90
Kinda disappointed. Best with some pretty questionable decision-making. He had a big lead in the final game and could've easily retaken the top right corner. Not convinced by 12-Nex on HBR either.

But, not to take anything away from Mind. He was pretty sharp. Nice creativity with the buildings, great Vessels, calm under pressure, even in the strange low eco situations.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
April 17 2023 16:39 GMT
#91
On April 17 2023 22:04 oxKnu wrote:
Best just has zero clutch in his blood, man. 😐

This game was there for the taking.


Yeah, that's best down to a tee.

He's the most anti clutch player I've ever seen.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
April 17 2023 16:41 GMT
#92
honestly such a damn shame..

but oh well, GGs anyway I guess..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
April 17 2023 16:42 GMT
#93
Wouldn't mind TvT finals either, tbh.

Especially on these maps I think that would be a cool series.

But we will see..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
April 17 2023 16:53 GMT
#94
Ladies and gentleman this was the long awaited BeSt choke once again! All games Mind won were macro and BeSt's macro looked kinda off, especially looking at first games where he had ton of zealots but no dragoons, useless shuttle drops... Why the fuck you would go for shuttles on HBR instead of recall, that main just screaming for a recall... Especially I'm so mad at him for last game, like how hard to make a pylon wall vs. vultures when u had 2 more bases! He lost to 2 base terran - all he had to do was to take all the map and starve the terran but instead of taking more bases he proceeded to throw away units.

Mind was uncrackable though and incredibly prepared! His vulture harass was sooo on point! Mind is going to take this ASL, doesn't matter if he faces JyJ or hero. His TvZ is killer and TvT is untouchable.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2718 Posts
April 17 2023 17:08 GMT
#95
Epic throw on game 6
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic931 Posts
April 17 2023 17:39 GMT
#96
Im really glad Mind won and really enjoyed his play. He showed a proven championship level player preparations, mindset and decision making throughout all games and Best just did his thing again (and still has not "matured" enough).
Also to mention.. Mind's macro was amazingly on point again and never lost a beat, which was supposed (and kept being supposed) to be Best's weapon.
never too old for starcraft :)
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2007 Posts
April 17 2023 18:04 GMT
#97
At least we're guaranteed one Protoss in the Ro16...
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2710 Posts
April 17 2023 18:24 GMT
#98
On April 18 2023 01:53 outscar wrote:
Ladies and gentleman this was the long awaited BeSt choke once again!

Now that makes sense. No one predicted Best topping that Ro16 group of death, let alone getting into semi. Can't choke when you are the underdog.

But then when everyone was saying PvT is his strong matchup, the maps are good for him, this was his best chance of winning ASL. Suddenly he became the favorite. Of course he choked.

M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
April 17 2023 20:49 GMT
#99
Yeah Best is just not top tier player when is about preparation for series. In single games or even consecutive games without specific preparations, he is an S tier, he can show championship levels of play, but when he has to prepare vs good players...well it is what it is
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1180 Posts
April 17 2023 21:26 GMT
#100
I think it's more of an indication that this style with 3/4 of your army being zealots and shuttles is NOT a good idea.
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