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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1066 Posts
April 23 2025 02:02 GMT
#1741
On April 23 2025 05:49 TMNT wrote:
Yeah. Obviously there are intricacies in it but from an Artosis point of view, you could say "he only makes ONE type of units and A moves accross the map and wins"

Meanwhile Soulkey was sweating his ass off trying to stay alive lol.

Edit: after watching it again he did CC first all 3 times lol. That's why. I tend to skip the first few minutes because "no way he would go CC first 3 in a row"

i think he only does the build when its confirmed unpunished cc first. when its not he goes sk terran something.
JDON MY SOUL!
bochs
Profile Joined February 2022
114 Posts
April 23 2025 06:41 GMT
#1742
If Flash's build is so imba, why haven't other Terrans copied it yet?
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5203 Posts
April 23 2025 09:27 GMT
#1743
Because Flash. And from what we know this far: it still relies on getting away with 14cc.
Other none-14cc varitions will need to kill drones, force early (speed)lings and/or hold off a 3rd expansion for a considerable amount of time.
FBH #1!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
April 23 2025 10:20 GMT
#1744
On April 23 2025 15:41 bochs wrote:
If Flash's build is so imba, why haven't other Terrans copied it yet?

Maybe Light tried vs Soulkey in Ro16. But the lings arrived and we didn't see the rest lol.

Flash also lost a game to Hero in that exact fashion.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-23 20:21:55
April 23 2025 15:03 GMT
#1745


PROLEAGUE, APR 23 2025

[Team A] Snow Stork Tulbo BTS
vs [Team B] Tyson Speed Barracks Hero

SET 1 (PROLEAGUE)
Snow <Radeon> Tyson
BTS <Pole Star> Hero
Tulbo <Eclipse> Speed
Stork <Metropolis> Barracks
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Snow <Deja Vu> Barracks

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
BTS <Dominator> Tyson

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +


SET 2 (PROLEAGUE)
BTS <Eclipse> Barracks
Snow <Dominator> Hero
Stork <Metropolis> Speed
Tulbo <Radeon> Tyson
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Snow <Pole Star> Barracks

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
BTS <Deja Vu> Hero

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +
BTS <Pole Star> Speed


SUPER ACE
+ Show Spoiler +


+ Show Spoiler [Set 1 Results] +
Snow > Tyson
BTS < Hero
Tulbo < Speed
Stork > Barracks
Snow > Barracks
BTS > Tyson

+ Show Spoiler [Set 2 Results] +
BTS < Barracks
Snow < Hero
Stork > Speed
Tulbo < Tyson
Snow > Barracks
BTS > Hero
BTS > Speed

+ Show Spoiler [FINAL RESULTS] +
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-26 10:27:09
April 25 2025 13:54 GMT
#1746
A while since we had a full strength line up like this



MAJOR PROLEAGUE, APR 25 2025

[Team A] Mini Bisu Light Hero Soulkey
vs [Team B] Snow Best Rush Jaedong Queen

SET 1 (PROLEAGUE)
Light <Pole Star> Snow
Mini <Metropolis> Best
Bisu <Eclipse> Jaedong
Soulkey <Dominator> Rush
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Hero <Deja Vu> Queen

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Light <Radeon> Jaedong

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +


SET 2 (WINNERS LEAGUE)
Mini <Eclipse> Jaedong
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
Mini <Deja Vu> Snow

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
Hero <Radeon> Snow

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
Hero <Dominator> Rush

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Hero <Pole Star> Best

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Hero <Metropolis> Queen

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +
Light <Dominator> Queen

+ Show Spoiler [Game 8] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 9] +


SUPER ACE
+ Show Spoiler +


+ Show Spoiler [Set 1 Results] +
Light > Snow
Mini > Best
Bisu < Jaedong
Soulkey > Rush
Hero < Queen
Light > Jaedong

+ Show Spoiler [Set 2 Results] +
Mini > Jaedong
Mini < Snow
Hero > Snow
Hero > Rush
Hero > Best
Hero < Queen
Light > Queen

+ Show Spoiler [FINAL RESULTS] +
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7930 Posts
April 27 2025 10:15 GMT
#1747
On April 25 2025 22:54 TMNT wrote:
A while since we had a full strength line up like this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIoL-qevYHg
MAJOR PROLEAGUE, APR 25 2025

[Team A] Mini Bisu Light Hero Soulkey
vs [Team B] Snow Best Rush Jaedong Queen

SET 1 (PROLEAGUE)
Light <Pole Star> Snow
Mini <Metropolis> Best
Bisu <Eclipse> Jaedong
Soulkey <Dominator> Rush
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Hero <Deja Vu> Queen

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Light <Radeon> Jaedong

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +


SET 2 (WINNERS LEAGUE)
Mini <Eclipse> Jaedong
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
Mini <Deja Vu> Snow

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
Hero <Radeon> Snow

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
Hero <Dominator> Rush

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Hero <Pole Star> Best

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Hero <Metropolis> Queen

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +
Light <Dominator> Queen

+ Show Spoiler [Game 8] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 9] +


SUPER ACE
+ Show Spoiler +


+ Show Spoiler [Set 1 Results] +
Light > Snow
Mini > Best
Bisu < Jaedong
Soulkey > Rush
Hero < Queen
Light > Jaedong

+ Show Spoiler [Set 2 Results] +
Mini > Jaedong
Mini < Snow
Hero > Snow
Hero > Rush
Hero > Best
Hero < Queen
Light > Queen

+ Show Spoiler [FINAL RESULTS] +

+ Show Spoiler +
Ma boï Jaedong got absolutely massacred by Light. Doesn’t bode Well for his ASL match.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
April 27 2025 12:56 GMT
#1748
We're about to have Nada vs Nal_ra as part of the university competition. Watching it from Bisu stream.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-29 14:24:08
April 29 2025 14:19 GMT
#1749
Update for Major Proleague yesterday that is only accessible via SOOP



VOD

MAJOR PROLEAGUE, APR 28 2025

[Team A] Snow Rain Rush JYJ
vs [Team B] Bisu Shuttle Royal Soulkey

SET 1 (PROLEAGUE)
JYJ <Deja Vu> Bisu
Rush <Dominator> Royal
Snow <Radeon> Shuttle
Rain <Metropolis> Soulkey
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Snow <Pole Star> Royal

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Rush <Eclipse> Shuttle

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +


SET 2 (PROLEAGUE)
Rain <Deja Vu> Soulkey
JYJ <Metropolis> Bisu
Rush <Radeon> Shuttle
Snow <Eclipse> Royal
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
JYJ <Pole Star> Bisu

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Rush <Dominator> Soulkey

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +


SUPER ACE
+ Show Spoiler +


+ Show Spoiler [Set 1 Results] +
JYJ < Bisu
Rush < Royal
Snow > Shuttle
Rain < Soulkey
Snow > Royal
Rush < Shuttle

+ Show Spoiler [Set 2 Results] +
Rain < Soulkey
JYJ < Bisu
Rush < Shuttle
Snow > Royal
JYJ > Bisu
Rush < Soulkey

+ Show Spoiler [FINAL RESULTS] +
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-06 16:29:39
April 29 2025 14:23 GMT
#1750
And for today:



MAJOR PROLEAGUE, APR 29 2025

[Team A] Mini Shuttle Rush Soulkey
vs [Team B] Bisu Royal JYJ Queen

SET 1 (PROLEAGUE)
Shuttle <Pole Star> Royal
Mini <Eclipse> Queen
Soulkey <Radeon> JYJ
Rush <Metropolis> Bisu
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +


SET 2 (WINNERS LEAGUE +1 LIFE)
Mini <Deja Vu> Royal
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
Soulkey <Radeon> Royal

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
Rush <Pole Star> Royal

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
Shuttle <Dominator> Royal

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Shuttle <Eclipse> Queen

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Shuttle <Metropolis> Bisu

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +
Shuttle <Radeon> JYJ

+ Show Spoiler [Game 8] +
Shuttle <Eclipse> Bisu

+ Show Spoiler [Game 9] +


SUPER ACE
+ Show Spoiler +
Soulkey <Eclipse> Bisu


+ Show Spoiler [Set 1 Results] +
Shuttle < Royal
Mini < Queen
Soulkey < JYJ
Rush < Bisu

+ Show Spoiler [Set 2 Results] +
Mini < Royal
Soulkey < Royal
Rush < Royal
Shuttle > Royal
Shuttle > Queen
Shuttle > Bisu
Shuttle > JYJ
Shuttle > Bisu

+ Show Spoiler [FINAL RESULTS] +
Did Snow cosplay Shuttle today? Because that's the only explanation and it's even more fitting because in the super ace, Soulkey wasted the effort of Shuttle by losing to Bisu
(as Snow tends to be always on the losing team even when he has a MVP performance)
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1066 Posts
April 29 2025 18:15 GMT
#1751
On April 29 2025 23:23 TMNT wrote:
And for today:

LIVE NOW!!!


MAJOR PROLEAGUE, APR 29 2025

[Team A] Mini Shuttle Rush Soulkey
vs [Team B] Bisu Royal JYJ Queen

SET 1 (PROLEAGUE)
Shuttle <Pole Star> Royal
Mini <Eclipse> Queen
Soulkey <Radeon> JYJ
Rush <Metropolis> Bisu
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +


SET 2 (WINNERS LEAGUE)

+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 8] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 9] +


SUPER ACE
+ Show Spoiler +

NOOOO WAYYYYYYYYY
IT THE IMPOSSIBLE ACTUALLY HAPPENED???? WHAT THE HELL
JDON MY SOUL!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-29 19:11:10
April 29 2025 19:07 GMT
#1752
On April 30 2025 03:15 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
NOOOO WAYYYYYYYYY
IT THE IMPOSSIBLE ACTUALLY HAPPENED???? WHAT THE HELL

I only caught the last game and saw they were calling him Jum Yunchul. I thought they were referring to his Reaver micro. Turns out it's something bigger than that, way bigger.

+ Show Spoiler +
But hilariously, today it was Soulkey who wasted Shuttle's valiant effort. How the turntables lmao

Ahhahaha, and turns out his teammates Soulkey Mini and Rush who share 4 ASL titles and 9 finals between them, couldn't muster a single win today and let Shuttle hard carry the team
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7930 Posts
April 30 2025 08:32 GMT
#1753
To people who know their stuff, why is Flash in so few Proleagues, I was wondering?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5598 Posts
April 30 2025 08:48 GMT
#1754
On April 30 2025 17:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:
To people who know their stuff, why is Flash in so few Proleagues, I was wondering?

Hand/wrist surgery
don't wall off against random
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7930 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-30 11:23:58
April 30 2025 11:22 GMT
#1755
On April 30 2025 17:48 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2025 17:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:
To people who know their stuff, why is Flash in so few Proleagues, I was wondering?

Hand/wrist surgery

Ah of course.

So sad that not more care is taken with those kids to make sure that doesn’t happen. Esports have a loooooong way to go when it comes to protecting players from injuries. This is entirely preventable; ending on the surgeon table because of a movement as light as moving a mouse is kind of tragic.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
April 30 2025 11:40 GMT
#1756
On April 30 2025 20:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2025 17:48 rotta wrote:
On April 30 2025 17:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:
To people who know their stuff, why is Flash in so few Proleagues, I was wondering?

Hand/wrist surgery

Ah of course.

So sad that not more care is taken with those kids to make sure that doesn’t happen. Esports have a loooooong way to go when it comes to protecting players from injuries. This is entirely preventable; ending on the surgeon table because of a movement as light as moving a mouse is kind of tragic.

That's the problem with RSI injuries in situations where you're expected to grind hard to excel. Doing a repetitive motion long enough, consistently enough, causes issues even if the individual motion is simple and light. So many people get carpal tunnel just doing normal jobs with basic desk work, let alone something as comparatively strenuous on the nerves as playing Brood War at an elite level for insane hours. Hell, I screwed up my cubital tunnel from processing shoes in retail due to poor staffing levels and garbage management.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7930 Posts
April 30 2025 13:45 GMT
#1757
On April 30 2025 20:40 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2025 20:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On April 30 2025 17:48 rotta wrote:
On April 30 2025 17:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:
To people who know their stuff, why is Flash in so few Proleagues, I was wondering?

Hand/wrist surgery

Ah of course.

So sad that not more care is taken with those kids to make sure that doesn’t happen. Esports have a loooooong way to go when it comes to protecting players from injuries. This is entirely preventable; ending on the surgeon table because of a movement as light as moving a mouse is kind of tragic.

That's the problem with RSI injuries in situations where you're expected to grind hard to excel. Doing a repetitive motion long enough, consistently enough, causes issues even if the individual motion is simple and light. So many people get carpal tunnel just doing normal jobs with basic desk work, let alone something as comparatively strenuous on the nerves as playing Brood War at an elite level for insane hours. Hell, I screwed up my cubital tunnel from processing shoes in retail due to poor staffing levels and garbage management.

I play violin in a symphony orchestra for a living, which is kind of the pinnacle of doing a repetitive task with your body that can lead to all kind of injuries, and I can assure you the only reason not everyone doing this job has to stop after ten years is that we as an industry have developed a huge body of knowledge on how to approach the instrument and the extremely repetitive nature of the movement without straining ourselves. Most players stay relatively injury free until they retire at 67.

I can absolutely guarantee you that with the right tools and knowledge no one would be getting injured moving a computer mouse, whether at the office or playing games competitively. But the things you read about the life and work hygiene at the team houses those guys grew up in makes it a miracle they can still move at all. I was told never to play more than an hour without a break, to always warm up, to always look for comfort and ease and to stop at the first sign of pain etc when i was 12 or 13, and later was sent to all kind of physical and psychophysical specialists, from physios to Alexander Technique. I don’t think anyone took care of Flash or Jaedong that way, and that’s kind of tragic.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
April 30 2025 14:28 GMT
#1758
On April 30 2025 22:45 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2025 20:40 Gahlo wrote:
On April 30 2025 20:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On April 30 2025 17:48 rotta wrote:
On April 30 2025 17:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:
To people who know their stuff, why is Flash in so few Proleagues, I was wondering?

Hand/wrist surgery

Ah of course.

So sad that not more care is taken with those kids to make sure that doesn’t happen. Esports have a loooooong way to go when it comes to protecting players from injuries. This is entirely preventable; ending on the surgeon table because of a movement as light as moving a mouse is kind of tragic.

That's the problem with RSI injuries in situations where you're expected to grind hard to excel. Doing a repetitive motion long enough, consistently enough, causes issues even if the individual motion is simple and light. So many people get carpal tunnel just doing normal jobs with basic desk work, let alone something as comparatively strenuous on the nerves as playing Brood War at an elite level for insane hours. Hell, I screwed up my cubital tunnel from processing shoes in retail due to poor staffing levels and garbage management.

I play violin in a symphony orchestra for a living, which is kind of the pinnacle of doing a repetitive task with your body that can lead to all kind of injuries, and I can assure you the only reason not everyone doing this job has to stop after ten years is that we as an industry have developed a huge body of knowledge on how to approach the instrument and the extremely repetitive nature of the movement without straining ourselves. Most players stay relatively injury free until they retire at 67.

I can absolutely guarantee you that with the right tools and knowledge no one would be getting injured moving a computer mouse, whether at the office or playing games competitively. But the things you read about the life and work hygiene at the team houses those guys grew up in makes it a miracle they can still move at all. I was told never to play more than an hour without a break, to always warm up, to always look for comfort and ease and to stop at the first sign of pain etc when i was 12 or 13, and later was sent to all kind of physical and psychophysical specialists, from physios to Alexander Technique. I don’t think anyone took care of Flash or Jaedong that way, and that’s kind of tragic.

Yep, and I can tell you that even after I had surgery to relieve my ulnar nerve it has never been the same again and is more easily irritated.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
April 30 2025 14:44 GMT
#1759
Actually I don't think wrist injury is the reason he's in so few Proleagues (if that is true).
From my observation whenever he streams AND there is a Proleague, he plays (unless it is K League which is not for him).
He also plays the China sponsored best of series quite often as well.

Right now they're having Mini Bisu vs Flash Soulkey for example.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7930 Posts
April 30 2025 16:52 GMT
#1760
On April 30 2025 23:28 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2025 22:45 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On April 30 2025 20:40 Gahlo wrote:
On April 30 2025 20:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On April 30 2025 17:48 rotta wrote:
On April 30 2025 17:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:
To people who know their stuff, why is Flash in so few Proleagues, I was wondering?

Hand/wrist surgery

Ah of course.

So sad that not more care is taken with those kids to make sure that doesn’t happen. Esports have a loooooong way to go when it comes to protecting players from injuries. This is entirely preventable; ending on the surgeon table because of a movement as light as moving a mouse is kind of tragic.

That's the problem with RSI injuries in situations where you're expected to grind hard to excel. Doing a repetitive motion long enough, consistently enough, causes issues even if the individual motion is simple and light. So many people get carpal tunnel just doing normal jobs with basic desk work, let alone something as comparatively strenuous on the nerves as playing Brood War at an elite level for insane hours. Hell, I screwed up my cubital tunnel from processing shoes in retail due to poor staffing levels and garbage management.

I play violin in a symphony orchestra for a living, which is kind of the pinnacle of doing a repetitive task with your body that can lead to all kind of injuries, and I can assure you the only reason not everyone doing this job has to stop after ten years is that we as an industry have developed a huge body of knowledge on how to approach the instrument and the extremely repetitive nature of the movement without straining ourselves. Most players stay relatively injury free until they retire at 67.

I can absolutely guarantee you that with the right tools and knowledge no one would be getting injured moving a computer mouse, whether at the office or playing games competitively. But the things you read about the life and work hygiene at the team houses those guys grew up in makes it a miracle they can still move at all. I was told never to play more than an hour without a break, to always warm up, to always look for comfort and ease and to stop at the first sign of pain etc when i was 12 or 13, and later was sent to all kind of physical and psychophysical specialists, from physios to Alexander Technique. I don’t think anyone took care of Flash or Jaedong that way, and that’s kind of tragic.

Yep, and I can tell you that even after I had surgery to relieve my ulnar nerve it has never been the same again and is more easily irritated.

Yeah when they start to butcher you, there is no way back to have it like before. I got an injury at my hand from playing at some point and the hand surgeon i saw told me that we would try literally anything before he would touch me with a scalpel, which is what all non specialists had immediately advocated.

On April 30 2025 23:44 TMNT wrote:
Actually I don't think wrist injury is the reason he's in so few Proleagues (if that is true).
From my observation whenever he streams AND there is a Proleague, he plays (unless it is K League which is not for him).
He also plays the China sponsored best of series quite often as well.

Right now they're having Mini Bisu vs Flash Soulkey for example.

Right so he is just busy with other things. I wonder how he will do when he gets back to playing offline events.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
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