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On March 10 2022 03:02 prosatan wrote:Original Post: 안녕하세요 오늘 ASL 탈락하고왔네요 음 .. 그동안 대회참가하면서 오프의도재욱 대회의도재욱 소리들을때마다 잘해야지 잘해야지 하는마음뿐이었는데 최근에는 제가 온라인에서 잘해도 어차피 대회가면 진다 오프라인가면 진다하는 조롱글이 많아져서 좀 스트레스를 많이받네요 제가 스타를 잘하고싶고 대회를 잘하고싶어서 연습하고 노력하는게 남들에겐 조롱거리가 되는게 많은 생각이 들었습니다 대회에서 잘하고싶어서 온오프 가리지않고 참가할수있는 대회 다 참가했는데 그동안 어차피 계속 게임 해야할거 손목이 아픈것도 티를 안내려고했는데 이제는 좀 지치네요 저도 감정적인사람이라 마음이 변할수도있겠지만 오늘이 마지막 ASL이 될수도있을거같습니다 응원해주셔서 감사합니다 Google Translate: Hello, I've dropped out of ASL today. Ummm.. While participating in the tournament, every time I heard the voices of Offuido Jaewook, I was just thinking of whether I should do well or do well. Recently, there have been a lot of ridicule posts saying that even if I do well online, I lose if I go to the tournament anyway, so I get a little stressed out. I wanted to be a good star and compete well, so I thought a lot that practicing and trying would be a ridicule to others. I wanted to do well in the tournament, so I participated in all of the tournaments where I could participate regardless of whether it was on or off. I am an emotional person, so I may change my mind, but I think today might be the last ASL. Thank you for your support Source: https://www.youtube.com/c/도재욱TV/community Hope he'll change his mind...
Ahh...
I was so happy that Bisu advanced even though his play was pretty bad (but I truly believe his current highest form can beat anyone).
But now this... makes me really sad. Why are these jerks doing this to Best?! Poor guy has been saying in the last few ASL interviews to the fans that "please do not expect much from him" etc, basically begging them to leave him alone. He tried but it got to him in the head even deeper as before. I'm disgusted by this behaviour of some so called "SC fans". What did Best ever do to them?...
I really really hope he will somehow triumph and come back mentally stable and win an ASL. He is absolutely capable (and deserves it as well). He hasn't been in the top 10 (on sponbbang) the last few years for nothing... (and as I've seen top3 these last few months)
GOGO BEST!
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I think it's good for him to not play ASL for awhile.
It's clear the expectations are getting to him and he doesn't have the nerves to handle that. Online seems to be more of his playing ground.
By my estimation in online games he has been a Top4 pro for the longest time, even when Flash was active etc.. delivering big wins against everyone, no matter the race.
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On March 10 2022 07:09 oxKnu wrote:
I think it's good for him to not play ASL for awhile.
It's clear the expectations are getting to him and he doesn't have the nerves to handle that. Online seems to be more of his playing ground.
By my estimation in online games he has been a Top4 pro for the longest time, even when Flash was active etc.. delivering big wins against everyone, no matter the race.
His KCM Race War games are so good, always cheer for him. Sad he chocked again
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On March 10 2022 09:23 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2022 07:09 oxKnu wrote:
I think it's good for him to not play ASL for awhile.
It's clear the expectations are getting to him and he doesn't have the nerves to handle that. Online seems to be more of his playing ground.
By my estimation in online games he has been a Top4 pro for the longest time, even when Flash was active etc.. delivering big wins against everyone, no matter the race. His KCM Race War games are so good, always cheer for him. Sad he chocked again
He didn’t even choke. Zero and Soma are better at PvZ. And the new mineral boosting along with these heavy early zergling attacks are a legit pain to deal with. On paper, this was a tough group he was never supposed to win. If anyone, Zero choked hard and looked completely out of form.
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Everyone but Soma played poorly. Best was nervy (but rather typical by his past ASL standards). Bisu's micro was off. But Zero definitely takes the cake for the most underperforming player in the group.
Probably the pressure getting to the players. Then again, PvZ is tough. So no surprise that Best and Bisu played rather poorly.
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On March 10 2022 10:00 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2022 09:23 GoTuNk! wrote:On March 10 2022 07:09 oxKnu wrote:
I think it's good for him to not play ASL for awhile.
It's clear the expectations are getting to him and he doesn't have the nerves to handle that. Online seems to be more of his playing ground.
By my estimation in online games he has been a Top4 pro for the longest time, even when Flash was active etc.. delivering big wins against everyone, no matter the race. His KCM Race War games are so good, always cheer for him. Sad he chocked again He didn’t even choke. Zero and Soma are better at PvZ. And the new mineral boosting along with these heavy early zergling attacks are a legit pain to deal with. On paper, this was a tough group he was never supposed to win. If anyone, Zero choked hard and looked completely out of form.
I dont get your comment at all. It doesnt matter if his opponent is better than him or not. Do you think soma outskilled him in their first game ?! While i agree that you need to be insanely skilled to do an hydra bust._, i dont see how Best didnt pull another "onstage Best flawless performance"
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On March 10 2022 11:58 RKC wrote: Bisu's micro was off.
Indeed, but its not like his decision making was good either lol. While Bisu always did compensate his poor decision making with insane multitasking all through his career, this time is clearly over.
With nowadays skills, the dt drop that he tried on ZerO on the first game .. with these positions on this map, during the most obvious muta switch timing ever recorded on tape, that was quite mind boggling tbh... At this top level at least... Almost forgot: He did all of this after building, then cancelling a completely useless 3rd canon at his natural at a ridiculous timing
Im not a Bisu hater though, just that were not in 2009 anymore and I would prefer to see someone else with a real shot into the RO8.
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On March 10 2022 12:14 TornadoSteve wrote:Indeed, but its not like his decision making was good either lol. While Bisu always did compensate his poor decision making with insane multitasking all through his career, this time is clearly over. With nowadays skills, the dt drop that he tried on ZerO on the first game .. with these positions on this map, during the most obvious muta switch timing ever recorded on tape, that was quite mind boggling tbh... At this top level at least... Almost forgot: He did all of this after building, then cancelling a completely useless 3rd canon at his natural at a ridiculous timing Im not a Bisu hater though, just that were not in 2009 anymore and I would prefer to see someone else with a real shot into the RO8.
How is his PvT lately? Probably better than chances than PvZ?
Action is a beast. But he's not as tricky as soma or brutally solid like SK. So the draw seems to work out kindly for Bisu.
Is there a more deserving player? Maybe mini. JD had a rare JvZ off-day but otherwise looks to be growing in strength and shaking off the rust. So yes, nostalgia aside, RO8 could've been slightly more stacked.
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On March 10 2022 05:13 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2022 04:53 Piste wrote:
Rain 0-3 SoulKey
SoMa 2-3 Rush
Action 1-3 Light
JyJ 2-3 Bisu It's crazy to think Soma vs Rush is the most hype match of the ro8. Either player is championship caliber right now.
Looking forward to it as well but more interested in how Rain will do against Soulkey.
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On March 10 2022 03:02 prosatan wrote:Original Post: 안녕하세요 오늘 ASL 탈락하고왔네요 음 .. 그동안 대회참가하면서 오프의도재욱 대회의도재욱 소리들을때마다 잘해야지 잘해야지 하는마음뿐이었는데 최근에는 제가 온라인에서 잘해도 어차피 대회가면 진다 오프라인가면 진다하는 조롱글이 많아져서 좀 스트레스를 많이받네요 제가 스타를 잘하고싶고 대회를 잘하고싶어서 연습하고 노력하는게 남들에겐 조롱거리가 되는게 많은 생각이 들었습니다 대회에서 잘하고싶어서 온오프 가리지않고 참가할수있는 대회 다 참가했는데 그동안 어차피 계속 게임 해야할거 손목이 아픈것도 티를 안내려고했는데 이제는 좀 지치네요 저도 감정적인사람이라 마음이 변할수도있겠지만 오늘이 마지막 ASL이 될수도있을거같습니다 응원해주셔서 감사합니다 Google Translate: Hello, I've dropped out of ASL today. Ummm.. While participating in the tournament, every time I heard the voices of Offuido Jaewook, I was just thinking of whether I should do well or do well. Recently, there have been a lot of ridicule posts saying that even if I do well online, I lose if I go to the tournament anyway, so I get a little stressed out. I wanted to be a good star and compete well, so I thought a lot that practicing and trying would be a ridicule to others. I wanted to do well in the tournament, so I participated in all of the tournaments where I could participate regardless of whether it was on or off. I am an emotional person, so I may change my mind, but I think today might be the last ASL. Thank you for your support Source: https://www.youtube.com/c/도재욱TV/community Hope he'll change his mind...
that's just fucking ridiculous.. what is wrong with these. people..?
really hope he reconsiders. always liked to see him play.
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always liked and root for best as he was one of the few players who could take down flash in proleague back in the 2010 era. maybe he needs to bring the glasses back?
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A progamer should not care comments too much. Haters gonna hate.
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On March 10 2022 12:14 TornadoSteve wrote:
Indeed, but its not like his decision making was good either lol. While Bisu always did compensate his poor decision making with insane multitasking all through his career, this time is clearly over.
With nowadays skills, the dt drop that he tried on ZerO on the first game .. with these positions on this map, during the most obvious muta switch timing ever recorded on tape, that was quite mind boggling tbh... At this top level at least... Almost forgot: He did all of this after building, then cancelling a completely useless 3rd canon at his natural at a ridiculous timing
Im not a Bisu hater though, just that were not in 2009 anymore and I would prefer to see someone else with a real shot into the RO8.
Do you watch his stream? I guess not really. He shows absolutely fantastic games there. Insane multitasking as you mentioned. This was a bad performance yesterday everyone sees that, but he is still capable of very high level gameplay.
While watching at least 40-50 hours of his stream since he came back I can honestly say his top games are not ro8 level but championship level for sure. (but of course maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about . Btw problem is that his play is not that stable. When he plays at his top he is #1-3 on sponbbang but he can play pretty poorly and sometimes not be able to reach top 10)
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On March 10 2022 14:00 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2022 12:14 TornadoSteve wrote:On March 10 2022 11:58 RKC wrote: Bisu's micro was off. Indeed, but its not like his decision making was good either lol. While Bisu always did compensate his poor decision making with insane multitasking all through his career, this time is clearly over. With nowadays skills, the dt drop that he tried on ZerO on the first game .. with these positions on this map, during the most obvious muta switch timing ever recorded on tape, that was quite mind boggling tbh... At this top level at least... Almost forgot: He did all of this after building, then cancelling a completely useless 3rd canon at his natural at a ridiculous timing Im not a Bisu hater though, just that were not in 2009 anymore and I would prefer to see someone else with a real shot into the RO8. How is his PvT lately? Probably better than chances than PvZ? Action is a beast. But he's not as tricky as soma or brutally solid like SK. So the draw seems to work out kindly for Bisu. Is there a more deserving player? Maybe mini. JD had a rare JvZ off-day but otherwise looks to be growing in strength and shaking off the rust. So yes, nostalgia aside, RO8 could've been slightly more stacked.
Mini sOrry or even the 2 seeded z, even if they look out of shape atm, all had a realistic shot to win the whole thing. Bisu, well, no. Hope he can prove me wrong though, and I will be rooting for him anyway
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With all this being said, let's admit it, ASL games are always inferior in quality compared to longer series online.
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the stakes are higher in ASL and the games are almost always more dramatic, even if the players aren't showing their best macro/micro/tactics. and the casting of artosis and tasteless adds to the drama. sometimes you get lucky and there are incredible bo1 games in ASL, like that time brain (?) took out soulkey with dt/corsair. what an insane upset that was...
anyway, the offline games will always be more entertaining for me to watch than kcm et al. i think the comparison is kind of stupid. like, mini vs. zero would've been completely different online. but instead, watching mini shitstomp zero, and watching the once invincible (in pvz) zero fall apart until he was a completely broken mess was... just too good.
so yeah, ASL games will always be special, if only because of the financial stakes and how seriously the players take the matches. it's a silly comparison.
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On March 11 2022 07:40 whylessness wrote:
the stakes are higher in ASL and the games are almost always more dramatic, even if the players aren't showing their best macro/micro/tactics. and the casting of artosis and tasteless adds to the drama. sometimes you get lucky and there are incredible bo1 games in ASL, like that time brain (?) took out soulkey with dt/corsair. what an insane upset that was...
anyway, the offline games will always be more entertaining for me to watch than kcm et al. i think the comparison is kind of stupid. like, mini vs. zero would've been completely different online. but instead, watching mini shitstomp zero, and watching the once invincible (in pvz) zero fall apart until he was a completely broken mess was... just too good.
so yeah, ASL games will always be special, if only because of the financial stakes and how seriously the players take the matches. it's a silly comparison.
Agreed, these ASL matches really are the best. I hope they keep it going for years to come. Hard to imagine what the scene would look like without ASL these last 7-8 years or whatever. SC has come so far since 2009
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On March 11 2022 07:40 whylessness wrote:
the stakes are higher in ASL and the games are almost always more dramatic, even if the players aren't showing their best macro/micro/tactics. and the casting of artosis and tasteless adds to the drama. sometimes you get lucky and there are incredible bo1 games in ASL, like that time brain (?) took out soulkey with dt/corsair. what an insane upset that was...
anyway, the offline games will always be more entertaining for me to watch than kcm et al. i think the comparison is kind of stupid. like, mini vs. zero would've been completely different online. but instead, watching mini shitstomp zero, and watching the once invincible (in pvz) zero fall apart until he was a completely broken mess was... just too good.
so yeah, ASL games will always be special, if only because of the financial stakes and how seriously the players take the matches. it's a silly comparison.
Aside from the Top1 prize in ASL, most of the top pros make way more from online spon-games. It's not even close. It's how they make a living.
And cherry picking two series from 2 years apart is one weak-ass argument if I've ever read one.
It's nice to have a prestigious tournament running but it's not the end all be all.
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On March 11 2022 18:31 LpTraxamillion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2022 07:40 whylessness wrote:
the stakes are higher in ASL and the games are almost always more dramatic, even if the players aren't showing their best macro/micro/tactics. and the casting of artosis and tasteless adds to the drama. sometimes you get lucky and there are incredible bo1 games in ASL, like that time brain (?) took out soulkey with dt/corsair. what an insane upset that was...
anyway, the offline games will always be more entertaining for me to watch than kcm et al. i think the comparison is kind of stupid. like, mini vs. zero would've been completely different online. but instead, watching mini shitstomp zero, and watching the once invincible (in pvz) zero fall apart until he was a completely broken mess was... just too good.
so yeah, ASL games will always be special, if only because of the financial stakes and how seriously the players take the matches. it's a silly comparison. Agreed, these ASL matches really are the best. I hope they keep it going for years to come. Hard to imagine what the scene would look like without ASL these last 7-8 years or whatever. SC has come so far since 2009
I would argue that KCM has by far the best games post Kespa. Also the new starcraft university- teamleague has produced some incredible games.
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On March 10 2022 04:53 Piste wrote:
Rain 0-3 SoulKey
SoMa 2-3 Rush
Action 1-3 Light
JyJ 2-3 Bisu
the disrespect on Rain
Rain ASL Season 13 Champion
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