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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51714 Posts
September 12 2020 04:35 GMT
#1

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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51714 Posts
September 12 2020 04:37 GMT
#2
Word of warning I'm not entirely sure this starts at the correct start time or an hour after GSL ends, but considering that the casters have to move from the old studio where they're doing GSL to the new one where they're doing the ASL I'm guessing we're good for the regular start time.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7700 Posts
September 12 2020 05:08 GMT
#3
Really excited to see Soulkey.

Zero isn't my zerg hero of this age, the one zerg I feel can peak beyond anyone except Flash is Soulkey.

Snow is soo good that I imagine he will win and qualify.

The world is cray-zay these days so I don't feel comfortable that any of my favorites will win.
Go Soulkey! Go Snow!



QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
September 12 2020 05:31 GMT
#4
Probably Snow and SoulKey advance, but past ACS winners (Soma and Brain) have both done quite a lot. I'm curious if Yoon can replicate that success—Snow's PvZ has improved a lot over time, but SoulKey's ZvZ... not so much.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1147 Posts
September 12 2020 05:41 GMT
#5
Snow and ssak in this order
Avi-Love
Profile Joined November 2003
Denmark423 Posts
September 12 2020 06:28 GMT
#6
I think that if you look at overall performance over the last couple of months (mostly KCM + spon games) Snow and Soulkey should be massive favourites to make it out of this group; Yoon is more or less completely untested in terms of big tournaments / lan (as far as I know?) and Ssak has had some good games, but also a lot of bad ones -- inconsistency is a real issue, but his TvZ is, in my opinion, his best matchup right now. The most interesting thing about this group to me is that I noticed there was a huge shift in the odds offered on the snow vs yoon match, when the line first came out Snow was a heavy favourite, and Yoon was at about odds 6 or 7 (Decimal Odds) -- but as of this moment Yoon is now at odds 2.62. Make of it what you will, but in my experience a lot of money has to be placed on an outcome to shift the betting line this heavily.

I'll also include some misc. spon stats that may or may not be at all relevant to this group; this is all based on the last 3 months (IE since June 2020).

Soulkey is ranked 4th overall, he has, rather surprisingly, a winning record against all top terrans: 3-0 Flash, 12-11 Light, 20-18 Rush, 13-9 Sorry, 12-5 Sharp, 13-4 JyJ) and a 3-1 record vs Ssak. Zvp-wise (for a potential match against Snow) he looks a little less impressive with a 3-3 record against Bisu, 9-10 vs Snow and 9-11 against Best. Lastly he doesn't have a lot of zvz matches, and the ones he has are mostly against lower rated players outside of being 9-9 against Zero, 0-2 against Larva, 4-2 vs Soma and 7-6 vs hero. He has no games against Yoon.

Snow is ranked 6th overall, and looking at his pvz I cannot help but feel that the most remarkable thing appears to be that he performs well against the absolute top, but then there is a decline in his performance against what I consider the 2nd tier of zerg players; 10-9 against Soulkey as mentioned, 15-17 vs Zero, 17-15 vs Larva. Those are all fairly close to 50-50, which is pretty much the best you can hope for; however he is 15-34 against Soma and 27-43 against hero. He is 3-0 against Yoon. His PvT is the exact opposite of his PvZ, as he is 5-11 vs Flash and 12-15 vs Light. For the next tier, he is 23-19 vs Rush, 41-27 vs Sorry, 19-16 vs Sharp and lastly 6-0 against Ssak.

Ssak is overall ranked 18th, he is fairly close to 50% win rate in all of his matchups and while I do think his tvz is slightly better, I don't think it's by a large margin. He is just not a solid top player anymore, whereas he used to be good enough to consistently get to the top 8 of big tournaments; 1-3 vs SK, 3-6 vs Zero, 6-7 vs Larva, 26-33 vs Soma, 34-43 vs Hero. His TvP records are not too dissimilar; 8-10 vs Bisu, 0-6 vs Snow, 2-6 vs Best, 8-8 vs Stork, 4-6 vs Mini, 4-4 vs Free, 7-5 vs Shuttle. He has no games against Yoon.

Lastly, Yoon is overall ranked 32nd, He doesn't have that many spon games, which is presumably because he is still rather unknown and as such probably doesn't get a lot of viewers / people wanting to sponsor showmatches. The only familiar names on his list in ZvP are Snow (0-3) and Shuttle (0-2). For ZvT they are Rush (1-1) and Sharp (3-8). The 3 highest rated zergs on his zvz list are Killer (1-0), Beast (1-2) and Hyuk (1-1). Not a lot to see here honestly, he has so few games and overall it is just the lower end of progamers and top amateurs.


Map-wise the first two games are on Ringing Bloom, a map that still has not been super popular in spon games despite being in the ASL. With only 419 games played, TvZ is at 57.4% and PvZ is at 54.7%. A rare sight to have a map where Z is losing both matchups, but the sample size is tiny, and the map has already had some updates since it was first posted as an ASL map.

The next two matches will be played on Eclipse, which is a lot more popular in spon games with an overall sample size of 2370. TvP is at 49.9% (217-218 games, wow). TvZ is at 53.6% and PvZ is at 45%.

The final game is played on Polypoid, which is actually the most played spon map in the last 3 months, sample size of 3162. TvP 55.7%, TvZ 57.2% and PvZ at 45.5%.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 12 2020 06:42 GMT
#7
I saw Yoon and read Yooi and got excited
psyCrowe
Profile Joined December 2007
Scotland197 Posts
September 12 2020 08:40 GMT
#8
Thanks for the informative post Avi, good reading
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1147 Posts
September 12 2020 08:59 GMT
#9
Yeah nice read Avi, except for the ssak best match up is tvz
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
September 12 2020 09:11 GMT
#10
On September 12 2020 17:59 TornadoSteve wrote:
Yeah nice read Avi, except for the ssak best match up is tvz


http://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2017-05&month2=2020-09&map_id=0&bj_id=28

Ssucks best matchup both online and offline is by far tvp. Tvz is by far his worst matchup both online and offline (if you go + Show Spoiler +
2-7
against Hero who has questionable zvt atm...)
Then again, Soulkey is prone to underperform and Snow could be vulnerable against Ssacks harassive highrisk tvp.


it's not just a music it's something else
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1147 Posts
September 12 2020 09:11 GMT
#11
Looks like ssak is massively under rated in here._.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51714 Posts
September 12 2020 09:14 GMT
#12
Massively underrated? No.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
September 12 2020 09:45 GMT
#13
On September 12 2020 18:11 TornadoSteve wrote:
Looks like ssak is massively under rated in here._.


Ssak was never impressive online. His proves in tvp and tvt made him dangerious in offline tournaments where he had great results against top players (for example Last and Snow). Now Ssak was the original 1-1-1 master, but nowdays struggles a lot because his trademark has been figured out.
it's not just a music it's something else
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7700 Posts
September 12 2020 09:51 GMT
#14
I think Ssak has the slight historical T>Z in his favor and I consider him a very real threat to Soulkey advancing.
He is like all Terrans. A damn threat.



M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4300 Posts
September 12 2020 09:52 GMT
#15
go go SnOw and sSak !

hope for some good games
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51714 Posts
September 12 2020 09:59 GMT
#16
[image loading]

Looks like tomorrow is Group E not C
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9436 Posts
September 12 2020 10:00 GMT
#17
Youtube link:

Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9436 Posts
September 12 2020 10:01 GMT
#18
OK! HERE WE GO GO GO !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3173 Posts
September 12 2020 10:11 GMT
#19
Just realized in discord that group E is tomorrow and not group C. WTF is going on.
Artosis loves Starcraft
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51714 Posts
September 12 2020 10:18 GMT
#20
yoon giving away strats in song.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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