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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
April 12 2020 11:35 GMT
#161
really hope zero wins
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10014 Posts
April 12 2020 11:35 GMT
#162
On April 12 2020 20:32 weiliem wrote:
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On April 12 2020 20:28 TT1 wrote:
Zero countering Flash's fact first by going ling lurk allin. Flash didn't have any scouting info (from his scv) so he had to be safe vs lurks AND mutas, wasn't defended well enough vs lurks tho.

pretty fun

the success from both game 1 & 3 seems to have been due to the 2 scvs scouting.... seems like Flash's build cuts corners that he cant prepare for both


the scouting info he gets from his double scout allows him to hard counter the b.o (2h muta)

when he doesn't get any scouting info w/ his scvs he has to respect the threat of both mutas and lurks (which makes him vulnerable)
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Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1975 Posts
April 12 2020 11:35 GMT
#163
i wish people would stop calling builds "mindgames"; that's not how it works... you pick a build for every map in advance so that you aren't double guessing yourself constantly
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 12 2020 11:35 GMT
#164
On April 12 2020 20:31 KobraKay wrote:
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On April 12 2020 20:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I like these games. Decisive.


Really? Ok

This ASL had actually produced a lot of great games up to this stage...but today...well

Yeah, seeing long back and forth struggles is great, but I also rather like it when a good mindgame or plan goes together. Flash might look like his valkyrie build he did twice is the answer to 2 hatch muta, but his engagement went well for him both times and good clean execution and the micro involved in the engagements is a pleasure to watch. Zero's first win might look like a case of a BO fail, but Zero had to fight for it; it could had cascaded the other way. This fourth game was just pure mindgame. What's wrong with enjoying that?
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
April 12 2020 11:35 GMT
#165
On April 12 2020 20:32 Miragee wrote:
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On April 12 2020 20:32 ggsimida wrote:
On April 12 2020 20:30 nojok wrote:
On April 12 2020 20:28 Disregard wrote:
I love the dilemma for BW fans, for a nice standard game or their favorite player to win.

Many of us just want Flash to lose for the sake of change, not even rooting for a favorite player.


no i want flash to win this whole thing. so we can see him play random next season!


Yes that would be good for the scene. Disgusting.

in sports having a/few dominant players/teams actually boost interest in that sport, face it, people like to support winners. jordan's bulls, golden state warriors, real madrid, barcelona, tiger woods etc. they boosted the popularity of the sport immensely. so no, flash is actually good for the scene
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2719 Posts
April 12 2020 11:37 GMT
#166
wtf Flash doin?
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
April 12 2020 11:38 GMT
#167
On April 12 2020 20:35 ChriS-X wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2020 20:32 Miragee wrote:
On April 12 2020 20:32 ggsimida wrote:
On April 12 2020 20:30 nojok wrote:
On April 12 2020 20:28 Disregard wrote:
I love the dilemma for BW fans, for a nice standard game or their favorite player to win.

Many of us just want Flash to lose for the sake of change, not even rooting for a favorite player.


no i want flash to win this whole thing. so we can see him play random next season!


Yes that would be good for the scene. Disgusting.

in sports having a/few dominant players/teams actually boost interest in that sport, face it, people like to support winners. jordan's bulls, golden state warriors, real madrid, barcelona, tiger woods etc. they boosted the popularity of the sport immensely. so no, flash is actually good for the scene

It's good for popular games, where some people just watch for the social aspect around the game more than the game itself, but in a niche genre like BW I'm not sure the same rule applies.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10014 Posts
April 12 2020 11:39 GMT
#168
On April 12 2020 20:35 Garrl wrote:
i wish people would stop calling builds "mindgames"; that's not how it works... you pick a build for every map in advance so that you aren't double guessing yourself constantly


Atm they're changing and adjusting b.os on the fly (minus the gol rine game, that was a failed 2h counter by FlaSh). When FlaSh wins twice with a valk opener vs 2h muta that forces Zero to do something new, Flash is essentially bullying him off the build. Zero is trying to regain respect for his 2h opener by allining him.
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whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
April 12 2020 11:39 GMT
#169
??? No 1-1-1. That expansion is so hard to defend...
it's not just a music it's something else
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 12 2020 11:40 GMT
#170
Zero must have realised something fishy is going on. One base timing should had hit by now.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
April 12 2020 11:40 GMT
#171
Flash under stress!
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
April 12 2020 11:41 GMT
#172
is he going blind valks?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 12 2020 11:41 GMT
#173
Zero built a hydra den this time. Lets see if he can counter valkyries with that.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
April 12 2020 11:42 GMT
#174
How is 1 gas valk? The transition seems hard if he does not do serious damage quickly.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
April 12 2020 11:44 GMT
#175
ZERO PLAYING REALLY WELL
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
April 12 2020 11:45 GMT
#176
FLASH HAS NO VALKS ON 1 GAS
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razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
April 12 2020 11:45 GMT
#177
HOLY FUCK is Zero just a genius? GDDDDD O_O
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10014 Posts
April 12 2020 11:45 GMT
#178
pog
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
April 12 2020 11:45 GMT
#179
Die, god, die!
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
April 12 2020 11:45 GMT
#180
FLASH MINERAL-ONLY IS FORCED TO LIFT
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