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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
March 29 2020 12:10 GMT
#241
Very great series. The best yet of the tournament. The loser put up a good fight.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1147 Posts
March 29 2020 12:10 GMT
#242
Clearly not a protoss map tho.
Flash looked shaky, not sure what else to say
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia566 Posts
March 29 2020 12:11 GMT
#243
Action defended the natural. He killed the first vulture with no losses. And yet it wasn't even close on this map.
j.r.r.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4203 Posts
March 29 2020 12:12 GMT
#244
On March 29 2020 21:06 konadora wrote:
action just gave up towards the end lol

he could have just contained and went for defiler tech...


No way he got to defiler tech with that drone count and Flash already on 3 vessels.
Szinkler
Profile Joined July 2018
Hungary395 Posts
March 29 2020 12:14 GMT
#245
Amazing series!
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4203 Posts
March 29 2020 12:16 GMT
#246
Flash/Queen and Stork/Bisu would be the dream semis.

Any one combinations would be an awesome finals.
Snorkels
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1015 Posts
March 29 2020 12:17 GMT
#247
Action gave a great fight to start a Sunday morning.

GGs!
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
March 29 2020 12:17 GMT
#248
Two-player maps favor terran? And hitchiker is very good for 8 rax into 1-1-1. It is so hard for zerg to defend everything. And suddently terran gets million vessels.
it's not just a music it's something else
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
March 29 2020 12:18 GMT
#249
On March 29 2020 21:11 Rainalcar wrote:
Action defended the natural. He killed the first vulture with no losses. And yet it wasn't even close on this map.


He let a gajillion Vultures in afterward, and lost a gajillion Drones. Normally “killed first Vulture with no losses” implies you stopped Vulture harass. Here the opposite happened. Silly to use first Vulture as reasoning for map balance here. You have more units to block by the time the second one comes. Action just didn’t, unfortunately.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
March 29 2020 12:19 GMT
#250
Pretty disappointing series tbh. Action played some pretty great macro games in the first 3 sets, but Flash was making a lot of mistakes too. Last two games were just...straight throws.
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Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
March 29 2020 12:21 GMT
#251
On March 29 2020 21:09 yoshi245 wrote:
Action was playing flawlessly when it gets to late game. But Flash forcing Action to ditch a macro game and into his tempo for pre-mid game all-in style aggression. WP to both.


Not quite true imo, Action went for early game all-ins most of the games (or at least get an advantage by doing a weird build). Action played it alright, but he knew straight up he'd be at a disadvantage. Flash didn't really do too much special except for the last map, but Action seemed to handle with that pretty well until the extended vult harass.
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
March 29 2020 12:21 GMT
#252
On March 29 2020 21:17 whaski wrote:
Two-player maps favor terran? And hitchiker is very good for 8 rax into 1-1-1. It is so hard for zerg to defend everything. And suddently terran gets million vessels.


Talking about map balance in a game where Zerg lets a bunch of Vultures into their main, and citing Vessels being made off one base to counter a Zerg that had no economy due to aforementioned Vultures, is showing you don’t understand what an unrepresentative outlier is.

The map may or may not be T favored, but the reasons people are citing in this thread are terrible. You may as well talk about map balance for a game where one player started with three workers.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
March 29 2020 12:21 GMT
#253
On March 29 2020 19:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Sounds like ABBA to be honest.

Dunno if this was answered but this is a lame power metal song https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/amberiandawn/goforaride.html but the riff is indeed exactly like mamma mia or something
The heart's eternal vow
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
March 29 2020 12:24 GMT
#254
Strange series in that the games that approximated standard macro games, Flash lost, yet Action lost all the games where one or the other players opened up their big book of bullshit
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-29 12:28:53
March 29 2020 12:24 GMT
#255
On March 29 2020 21:19 EsportsJohn wrote:
Pretty disappointing series tbh. Action played some pretty great macro games in the first 3 sets, but Flash was making a lot of mistakes too. Last two games were just...straight throws.


That’s too simple a way to look at those games. Game 4 maybe wasn’t a great game aesthetically, but it was not a throw. Action still would’ve won if Flash missed his lings for ~3 more seconds (even after the wasted early lings). This game is what Effort vs. Flash game 5 in 2010 OSL would’ve looked like if Flash caught Effort’s lings in that game. And that’s one of the most memorable games of all time. Sometimes games go down that way - if it works it’s legendary, and if it fails, it looks terrible.

In game 5 Action held the Bunker rush perfectly and Flash even said he thought he was going to lose after he didn’t get the natural Hatch. He didn’t expect Flash to just force feed a second Vulture in, and that single misread cost him the game (since it led to Vulture snowball). If Action keeps two more lings at home to keep Vultures from being able to run through, he is in fantastic shape.

I wonder if people complaining about game 5 have actually played TvZ. 8 rax (which already hurts your economy) that does minimal damage (I think he got zero Drones?) into one base play is a very unforgiving place to be economically.
Sonic_md
Profile Joined March 2020
Moldova280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-29 12:25:48
March 29 2020 12:25 GMT
#256
what do you think about semifinal in left part?
i think Larva have more chances vs Flash than ZerO in 1/2
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Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
March 29 2020 12:29 GMT
#257
On March 29 2020 21:24 darktreb wrote:
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On March 29 2020 21:19 EsportsJohn wrote:
Pretty disappointing series tbh. Action played some pretty great macro games in the first 3 sets, but Flash was making a lot of mistakes too. Last two games were just...straight throws.


That’s too simple a way to look at those games. Game 4 maybe wasn’t a great game aesthetically, but it was not a throw. Action still would’ve won if Flash missed his lings for ~3 more seconds (even after the wasted early lings). This game is what Effort vs. Flash game 5 in 2010 OSL would’ve looked like if Flash caught Effort’s lings in that game. And that’s one of the most memorable games of all time. Sometimes games go down that way - if it works it’s legendary, and if it fails, it looks terrible.


Might have won, I don't think he would've died to the lings, no matter if he scouted it or not. He already had quite a few goliaths and marines, yea the lings would've dealt damage but I doubt it would have been game-ending.
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jjmmtt
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
March 29 2020 12:32 GMT
#258
Great series ruined by an awful map game 5. I literally don't see how any player in the world is supposed to kill Flash on that map. You can't hide anything and you can't surround anything.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
March 29 2020 12:33 GMT
#259
On March 29 2020 21:17 whaski wrote:
Two-player maps favor terran? And hitchiker is very good for 8 rax into 1-1-1. It is so hard for zerg to defend everything. And suddently terran gets million vessels.


Action had that 100% defended then he ran away with his lings and let the second vulture in. It was at that moment he pretty much lost the game.
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Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
March 29 2020 12:33 GMT
#260
On March 29 2020 21:32 jjmmtt wrote:
Great series ruined by an awful map game 5. I literally don't see how any player in the world is supposed to kill Flash on that map. You can't hide anything and you can't surround anything.


Poor excuse, he could've banned it if he didnt like it.
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