In first two games, Savior and Stork are clear favourites. Savior at the open and balanced ZvT map? You know the result. The same about Stork and his scaring PvP stats.
The 3rd and 4th games are close. After showing not very impressive perfomance yesterday Bisu faces very strong TvPer. By.Flash is 7-0 TvP by now and I hope he won't be 8-0 tomorrow.
As for Hwasin, TvZ monster. He had to be so concentrated on TvP before his match against Bisu and Fantasy is 3-0 ZvT. I give it to GGPlay
On June 22 2007 00:55 Organ wrote: In first two games, Savior and Stork are clear favourites. Savior at the open and balanced ZvT map? You know the result. The same about Stork and his scaring PvP stats.
All of you, MANTOSS lovers. How can't you understand that it'd be better for our hero protoss race if Stork advances to the semis. He has more chances to win the entire league then Reach.
On June 22 2007 00:57 NeoIllusions wrote: sAviOr Stork Bisu Hwasin
same.
Is there another way to watch this rather than using sc2.org and yaoyuan? For some reason neither work while the games are actually on.
sc2.org GOM Player yaoyuan
Those are your options, tbh. I haven't heard of anything else that's viable. ;x
For sc2.org, if it doesn't work, try updating your TVAnts and/or DirectX. Then refresh sc2.org
Edit: Lawlz... I forgot tonight was OSL. n/m about GOM
man i dunno why i can only load www.sc2.org on firefox but tvants isn't supported on firefox yea. so i try loading it in IE. and it never nevernevnervnernvenrvnernvl oads. wtf is that shit i h'aven't watched games live in 0510925 years -_- and yaoyuan is like fxxking slow and yea..lol.gg.
On June 22 2007 01:16 Organ wrote: All of you, MANTOSS lovers. How can't you understand that it'd be better for our hero protoss race if Stork advances to the semis. He has more chances to win the entire league then Reach.
P.S.: I like Mantoss too.
If MANTOSS wins over Stork he will most likely meet sAviOr. And MANTOSS promised that he won't lose to zerg. REAL MEN KEEP THEIR PROMISES. MANTOSS wins OSL.
On June 22 2007 01:24 Zelniq wrote: no you people dont get it, protoss is protoss, only reach is mantoss stop calling protoss mantoss it's annoying and lame
I don't think anyone here is generalizing their beloved Protoss race with MANTOSS. Every use of MANTOSS is directed toward the individual that is MANTOSS.
On June 22 2007 01:24 Zelniq wrote: no you people dont get it, protoss is protoss, only reach is mantoss stop calling protoss mantoss it's annoying and lame
I don't think anyone here is generalizing their beloved Protoss race with MANTOSS. Every use of MANTOSS is directed toward the individual that is MANTOSS.
Hmm. I don't quite agree. Can you imagine yourself MANZERG or MANTERRAN? Protoss's manliness is the part of Reach's. No gay lura blocks, no gay mass siege contain. It's Protoss race.
it's stupid because as much as I respect and love protoss, zerg really should be the most respected race, and it is the manliest race really for one simple reason: their unit production is art, you cannot spam mass probes/scvs, every drone is very precious and so is the way they must use their larvae very wisely. for every drone you make that's a potential military unit lost, and for every non-drone you make that's 1 less drone to collect resources..you all should know this and yet you think toss is manliest, but it takes balls to play zerg
however people don't choose often choose zerg for this reason alone, it's tough to play when you cant always make a billion workers w/o any second thoughts, most popular race is toss around here and of course toss's hardest matchup at least on lower levels is vs zerg, so zerg is hated most here. just stupid really.
and these arent the only reasons why zerg is respectable, just think about how the race overall is very low hp units and buildings (except ultra), takes finesse to micro low hp units vs high HP toss units, not to mention finesse in using the mobility of zerglings to make them on par with other units. anyways whoa i'll stop since this thread is supposed to be about OSL
On June 22 2007 01:24 Zelniq wrote: no you people dont get it, protoss is protoss, only reach is mantoss stop calling protoss mantoss it's annoying and lame
I don't think anyone here is generalizing their beloved Protoss race with MANTOSS. Every use of MANTOSS is directed toward the individual that is MANTOSS.
Hmm. I don't quite agree. Can you imagine yourself MANZERG or MANTERRAN? Protoss's manliness is the part of Reach's. No gay lura blocks, no gay mass siege contain. It's Protoss race.
ok shiz i just saw last night MSL bisu vs hwasin games and i .... + Show Spoiler +
take it all back. protoss is just as manly as zerg, if not even moreso, or maybe it's just bisu? anyway ya I just forgot for a while and now i remember....wow. series of the year!
On June 22 2007 02:26 Zelniq wrote: ok shiz i just saw last night MSL bisu vs hwasin games and i .... + Show Spoiler +
take it all back. protoss is just as manly as zerg, if not even moreso, or maybe it's just bisu? anyway ya I just forgot for a while and now i remember....wow. series of the year!
I think that's somewhat of an overstatement. Had the series followed the pace of game 1, then I'd agree. :>
On June 22 2007 02:47 Gokey wrote: ouch... actually, iris places 6 marines + 1 scv perfectly next to savior's natural minerals out of range of sunkens... sickkkk
savior counters by running 10 lings into savior base!!! firebats out but savior perfectly surrounds them as they pop out of rax! bunks!!!!! excccccittttting game!!
Ahh, Iris circumvents Savior's sunken and kills all of his nat drones! His marines and a scv are camped between the minerals and geyser. Savior wastes a lot of zerglings trying to get rid of Iris. At least a group of zerglings have been wasted to just kill the scv by now.
Iris has expanded to his nat by this time, he's mining there with about 8ish scvs and has about 6 marines defending.
Savior attacks Iris' nat with about 8 lings. Nice surrounds kill off Iris' marines. Reinforcements from Savior make it into Iris' base, but die to newly made bats.
both sides now normally developing, with iris slightly ahead with a longer functioning natural expo and 2 bases for each
iris ~20 rines+4 bats+2medics hold outside of savior natural...
savior 8 mutas fly to middle of map trying to dceide whether to harass base or attack mmf... picks off 2 medics!!!!!!! iuris pulls force back to base... mutas chased off by turrettssss
mmf medium size force head once again to savior natural... looks dangerous for savior!!! only 4 saunkens!!!!!!!!
he was hurt early by iris' clever marine placement in his natural minerals... then could not catch up as iris expanded and built up a medium sized mmf force. Savior also did not have enough sunkens or unitts as iris approached
holy shit super hot girl dancing in digital camera commercial
I\'m totally impressed with IriS\'s play that game. From start to finish, he never once let Savior take control of the game, which Savior is used to (early game security, dictating the midgame with his mutas, then controlling late game flow with his defilers etc).
IriS's map control was very good too. Had key points of the center scouted with scvs, at one point had all his units traversing the entire half of the center area, tracking ling/muta movement, etc. The marines-in-yo-face early on was pretty awesome too.
That was so awesome. This is so awesome. Starcraft is so awesome. OSL is so awesome. I am so happy right now, even though my bracket contest entry is already wrong I don't even care
btw everything the 2 posters said above me is true, iris is.....awesome.
iris' marines this game seemed to have +1 armor... either that, or savior was really really bad in running lings one at a time into marines behind a choke
mantoss gets up all manly as he walks to booth, drawing cheers frm crowd... booth girl trembles in manliness of mantoss inside the booth... mantoss pretends she's not even there because he's so manly, like fuck you boothgirl get the hell out of here i'm gonna play some starcraft time
the art of iris's play that game was unbelievably good, from start to finish. did you notice how iris sent down 3 marines right away to make savior start his creep colony right away? at that point iris knew savior would build a creep colony, and he knew the creep hadn't spread far enough for him to put the colony way up there. his marines at the expo was planned from before the game, that was so unbelievably good. wow.
lol, crowd cheers as mantoss pops 2 stork observers with goons... omg reach pushes into stork natural with 2 reavers 10 goons vs 14 goons!!!! he razes the expo!!!! reach is officially ahead!!
REACH WINS!! perfect timing push with reavers after stork early expos... and perfect reaver micro as well... i thought he was a goner after his proxy robo was found, but Reach played real smart... amazing, i love this guy more and more
On June 22 2007 03:24 Aepplet wrote: what should stork have done after he spotted the proxy with his observer?
nothing really, he had already committed to the expo and he was unable to mine out the middle to get his goons through fast enough. Basically he needed to have scouted the middle with a probe earlier I think.
On June 22 2007 03:24 Aepplet wrote: what should stork have done after he spotted the proxy with his observer?
he should have built a support bay and made reavers to defend his expo; instead he made two gateways and was overran before his macro could really kick in. It was great timing by Reach
In first two games, Savior and Stork are clear favourites. Savior at the open and balanced ZvT map? You know the result. The same about Stork and his scaring PvP stats.
LOL that's the longest scv vs probe fight for the ramp for scouting i've EVER seen... amazing micro by both lol... flash preseveres in the end and bisu has no idea about flash's 2 rax opening
that rush was so beautifully timed and executed... i think flash lost about 3 units the whole game... AMAZING... beautiful like something boxer would do
i'm a hardcore bisu fan, but honestly, if he continues to play like vs hwasin yesterday and flash today, with cheese builds and risky builds without scouting... maybe he shouldn't win an osl just yet.
On June 22 2007 03:51 GeLaar wrote: i'm a hardcore bisu fan, but honestly, if he continues to play like vs hwasin yesterday and flash today, with cheese builds and risky builds without scouting... maybe he shouldn't win an osl just yet.
On June 22 2007 03:51 GeLaar wrote: i'm a hardcore bisu fan, but honestly, if he continues to play like vs hwasin yesterday and flash today, with cheese builds and risky builds without scouting... maybe he shouldn't win an osl just yet.
Maybe you didn't clearly watch yesterday's game 1 then, in which case you also missed Bisu's awesome macro.
On June 22 2007 03:52 Taiche wrote: Maybe you didn't clearly watch yesterday's game 1 then, in which case you also missed Bisu's awesome macro.
i know perfectly well how awesome he is, but you probably saw what just happened. he was being kept out of the opponents base and went "oh heck, what could he _possibly_ do..."
I wonder if Flash would have went all out if his Probe would die before seeing the Nexus, well he would surely send the marines just a moment later anyway, probablly would have still won it like that, bisu was thinking of proxy DTs or something, with 0 scouting... o.O GJ Flash :-) KTF gonna throw one hell of a party tonight :-)
On June 22 2007 03:54 GeLaar wrote: i know perfectly well how awesome he is, but you probably saw what just happened. he was being kept out of the opponents base and went "oh heck, what could he _possibly_ do..."
No, I couldn't see it but read the reports ;p I agree it's too bad he lost but the thing is the all-in mnm BO is a great counter to the 12 (or was it 14 ?) Nexus that generally happens quite often on this map in PvT. Now I am waiting for the next Bisu vs Flash game ; I take it that if Bisu goes into "macro mode" he will take the victory back home.
Hwasin runs about a third of marine army into some stop lurkers, even though his tanks were firing on them >_>
Hwasin's army camping outside of GG's nat. GGplay just charges right into Hwasin's nat with a TON of lurkers and lings and mutas. Hwasin's nat will fall.
Hwasin retaliated by charging into GG's nat, but GGplay has deiflers! Dark swarm goes up and Hwasin can't advance.
i HIGHLY recommend people watch each of these games. it was a fantastic 4 games, that will most likely bring about some very tense grudge matches next week. i really can't wait :D
only good thing about these loses are that there is a high chance of a game 3 for all of them since the favorites lost and have a good chance of coming back.
I'm surprised that so few people voted for Iris. He is one of the very few Terrans who have a very good chance against Savior. First, he's on the same team, so he knows Savior well. Second, in the last OSL he played 2-3 against him, which is very good/close. I'm hoping for Savior to win, but I know that Iris has almost equal chances.
To me, the only real surprise today was Flash raping Bisu, but then again it was just a rush... we'll see how later games turn out.
Next votes for me: 1) sAviOr, I only voted Iris because Python is like the perfect map for sAviOr, I knew everyone would bet on him, I knew he'd be 100% favorite, and I somehow knew Iris would take the map :-) But he won't lose @ HitchHiker, and I do think he will indeed lose Game3 @ Monty Hall :-) Iris will advance! 2) Bisu, I'll vote for him again, I believe he'll take it to 3rd game. 3) Reach, I'll never vote against mantoss! EVER! But I think Stork will also take it to Game3. 4) Hwasin, I voted GGPlay this time, no real reason really... I'll vote Hwasin next.
I'm hoping all sets except MANTOSS will go to Game3 :-)
I couldn't believe my eyes when Iris run those Marines past sAviOr's sunks, it was so perfect, well done Iris! Mantoss totaly owned the 'perfect PvP god' lol.. Bisu deserved to lose that game, and GGPlay just outplayed Hwasin all game long. GGs.
Do not forget, it is still PvP. And Reach is still Reach. The old 3 toss Kings NEVER EVER EVER lose their touch in PvP. Ever.
- That said, I hope stork wins. - And good old aggresive Timing Iris, how is he not a fun watch compared to crap like Light or Hwasin... Iris has his own way cooler style.
For all the idiots that think Bisu is out of OSL, or any player that lost today, look there is going to be another match, and there will be tie-breakers if needed. So this is not the end of everything, or the players themselves, so don't go preaching mantoss or praising flash k nubs?
I think Reach will take the series. He may try some kind of proxy in the second game, to finish stork. Bisu will win the series. I saw him do the same shit i think last year in the msl, with light.
Holy fucking shit, this is not an exaggeration, i just clicked this thread and opened spoiler and out loud i said "OH MY FUCKING GOD." when i saw who won...
On June 22 2007 01:24 Zelniq wrote: no you people dont get it, protoss is protoss, only reach is mantoss stop calling protoss mantoss it's annoying and lame
Otherwise I'd be 2/4 or 3/4, I wasn't decided on wether to vote for stork or reach and savior or iris then I forgot about it. Would have had them all as 2-1 wins, nice to see ggplay winning :D
it was pretty genius on ggplays part. had all his lurks north and hwasin saw them move up, but he kept those 2 there on hold. really good but i felt so bad for hwasin -_-.
On June 22 2007 11:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: that was just a gross mismicro on hwasin's part
hwasin scanned and his tanks were shooting them, but he charged them in a straight line with his marines anyway and got punished for it.
Ya it was. However to explain his actions I think Hwasin expected savior to immediately unburrow and run when the tanks started shelling his lurks(like most good zerg). And was hoping to simply persue the lurks and catch them as they tried to reburrow...but it didnt go as planned obviously
On June 22 2007 13:49 Carnac wrote: because people are riding a stupid bandwagon
thought so.
reach is no manlier than other "manly" tosses, whatever this bandwagon defines manliness as.
See, that's the thing.
Reach's actually not more "manlier" as these "mantoss" fans are more "girlier" next to him. Get my drift?
hahaha
ok so since all these toss progamers have girly fans next to them, we should just start all calling them mantosses! wooo mantoss nal_ra! actually, since intotherainbow has SO MANY female fans, he must be the manliest of all the tosses! MANTOSS intotherainbow!!
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come on. it sounds childish.
edit: yeah, you are very right. i feel that people just keep on saying mantoss mantoss because it makes up for their lack of manliness or whatever the term implies. i got yo drift :D
oh come on Caranc.. u cant deny the fact that Reach looks pretty sexy compared to other pros. Additionally its just the truth that his micro and macro and everything right now seems to be pretty good ( vs Bifrost, vs Sea, vs Iris , vs Shark , vs Stork). For sure its a bit.. well does anyone take this mantoss thing serious ?? Except if this guy beat his most fav. gamer right now ( stork ). And you are just sad your most liked gamer ever Kingdom doesnt get as much attention and love as Reach = P
People really are overusing mantoss in everything now and it's getting to be an annoying thing to see. also it devalues the art of my ytmnd.
But going back to OSL RO8, how's everyone doing on their Brackets? (for the $100 bracket contest)
so far, assuming everyone who won already will win their series, my bracket's looking good, except for iris vs savior, especially since savior will now have to win both the next games. And the 3rd game is on Monty Hall