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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3142 Posts
November 21 2019 12:58 GMT
#121
Rain to lol smack 4-0 in the final. We get our first 2 time KSL champion. I'll be amazed if Light manages to beat Rain.
Artosis loves Starcraft
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
November 21 2019 12:59 GMT
#122
Its so weird how Rain is careful and wise with his army movements in PvZ and PvP.
Then, he plays PvT and suicide everything hes got no matter what, no matter when, no matter where (yet he's still winning more often than not, though).
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66363 Posts
November 21 2019 13:00 GMT
#123
he apologises to his fans for taking too long to getting into a grand finals, but now after 13 years he's finally in a grand finals, so he will prepare his best.

also he says he uses his brother's account to practice because he doesnt like using his account, but somehow blizzard banned it?? LOL he's appealing on camera to blizzard to unban the account LMAO
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repomaniak
Profile Joined January 2009
Poland324 Posts
November 21 2019 13:00 GMT
#124
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Broodwar4lyf
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
304 Posts
November 21 2019 13:33 GMT
#125
s0ma showed the lack of composure and experience. hopefully this is a learning experience for him. He just threw like 3 games away by appearing cocky but he was visibly nervous and missing a lot of basic things
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
November 21 2019 13:35 GMT
#126
On November 21 2019 19:43 Squall_es wrote:
I believe this match was in Zero's hands but he definetly understimated Rain's PvZ. He just overpooled every game and repeated the same 5 muta+scourge into 6 hatch Hydras every game believing that would be enough. Rain tho studied Zero's game and knew how to counter it, knowing its weak points and being patient enough to get enough mass of goon templar to take a third base and gain the control of games. Had Zero added more variety (which he is capable to) into the games of today match would have been closer.

I think zero just choked, he played absolutely mediocre, even by game 5 he was still nervous it seems, losing 4 drones to a dt having hydras right there beside it, and then trying to finish the game off with pure hydra vs a protoss that has mass templars and is on the defensive. I mean, just expand and outmacro him? Rain had only 1 mining base and few units at that point and still won wtf.
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Squall_es
Profile Joined December 2008
Spain16 Posts
November 21 2019 17:50 GMT
#127
On November 21 2019 22:35 LG)Sabbath wrote:
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On November 21 2019 19:43 Squall_es wrote:
I believe this match was in Zero's hands but he definetly understimated Rain's PvZ. He just overpooled every game and repeated the same 5 muta+scourge into 6 hatch Hydras every game believing that would be enough. Rain tho studied Zero's game and knew how to counter it, knowing its weak points and being patient enough to get enough mass of goon templar to take a third base and gain the control of games. Had Zero added more variety (which he is capable to) into the games of today match would have been closer.

I think zero just choked, he played absolutely mediocre, even by game 5 he was still nervous it seems, losing 4 drones to a dt having hydras right there beside it, and then trying to finish the game off with pure hydra vs a protoss that has mass templars and is on the defensive. I mean, just expand and outmacro him? Rain had only 1 mining base and few units at that point and still won wtf.


It seemed the same to me that Zero didn't play close to his best. Especially Circuit Breakers game comes to mind, where he squandered a substantial lead. But I will give the credit to Rain making Zero seem mediocre today. Zero's strategy mainly consist in engaging battles vs. Protoss main army by denying the 3rd expansion, or just in the middle of the map if P is aggresive enough and because of his brilliant control he will normally take the lead in games at this stage and just outpower the opponent. This has been working against the ones like Bisu, Best or Mini who are the current best at PvZ but Rain is very clever and today instead engaging in battles with the main armies he tried to avoid them by sending small groups of Zealots around the map, sending some dt's and threatening with the shuttle distracting Zero from his goal of denying 3rd and focus on dividing units to defend different spots while allowing Rain at the same time to put his main army in better positions to trade more effectively. Zero didn't adapt well to this today and instead just taking a more macro approach in the mid game he just tried to hard and took too many bad engages with his hydras.
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BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
November 21 2019 21:27 GMT
#128
Zero has such incredible micro/macro, but it was disappointing that he was never able to get to tier 3 tech. I didn't read through any of the 7 pages of this thread, just watched the match and popping in to post, but do you guys think it was a conscious decision to stay on hydra/lurker/muta or did he get somewhat forced into it trying to keep up with Rain's pressure/macro?
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
jomjom
Profile Joined October 2019
9 Posts
November 21 2019 23:02 GMT
#129
Both series were awesome!

Rains pvz is just beautiful to watch, and I enjoyed some of Light's comebacks too
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
November 22 2019 00:54 GMT
#130
Wow I really underestimated Rain's PvZ, he looked way stronger last night than he did vs Effort in ASL7. Nothing too fancy, just great macro, great army movement, and reading Zero like a book. Looked like zero got tilted when he kept getting his 4th denied (rain was so good at sending out a small groups of zeals to harass and shut down expos). Strangely Zero didn't go for 974 build at all? Watching his stream it seems like he rarely uses it any more, I guess it's sorta been figured out?

Glad light finally made to a finals after 13 years of being a pro. Hopefully he puts up a good fight vs rain. Soma definitely seems to have gotten tilted also losing that CB game. He's definitely grown a ton this year though, look forward to seeing him win a tournament next year

Also no zergs in a final all year...cool... :\
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RAPiDCasting
Profile Joined July 2009
Korea (South)594 Posts
November 22 2019 05:53 GMT
#131
Rain is pretty good at StarCraft. Can't help but wish Soma had been able to Royal Road his first KSL.

This was also my last StarCraft broadcast of the year but hopefully the finals delivers too!
The faster caster. @RAPiDCasting
oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2936 Posts
November 22 2019 07:03 GMT
#132
Rapid, you've come a long way. Thanks for putting in the effort to learn about BW.
Fuck KeSPA.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
November 22 2019 08:37 GMT
#133
Agreed. Not only Rapid have massively improved about the game play, but also its always interesting to hear those littles facts about a certain player during the game. Sometimes i didn't know about, can always count on Rapid to do his homework before the cast! Appreciate it.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6997 Posts
November 22 2019 08:39 GMT
#134
On November 22 2019 14:53 RAPiDCasting wrote:
Rain is pretty good at StarCraft. Can't help but wish Soma had been able to Royal Road his first KSL.

This was also my last StarCraft broadcast of the year but hopefully the finals delivers too!

TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
November 22 2019 12:33 GMT
#135
On November 22 2019 06:27 BigBalls wrote:
Zero has such incredible micro/macro, but it was disappointing that he was never able to get to tier 3 tech. I didn't read through any of the 7 pages of this thread, just watched the match and popping in to post, but do you guys think it was a conscious decision to stay on hydra/lurker/muta or did he get somewhat forced into it trying to keep up with Rain's pressure/macro?


Very interesting point. I believe the last time i saw a fast hive in ZvP on stage, was in KSL 3 RO8 SK vs SnOW on Fighting Spirit, and i liked the build a lot. I would also like to have opinions on good ZvPers about this, and i wonder if a future zvp meta could involve a priority on tier 3 over 3rd or at least 4th bases, as we can see in ZvT.
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-22 15:29:24
November 22 2019 13:55 GMT
#136
Series between Rain and Zero brought back painfull memories from Kespa-era when Zero always needed that one setback to fell apart. That being said Rain played unlike before, really solid gameplan and army management.

Soma vs Light game 2 was so strange. Soma was so much ahead, why didnt he just take bottom right or natural. Light had Wraiths, of course he was going to scout that base. After that it was normal amateur against ex-pro with all goofines like running 4 ultras or mutas into terran main. I honestly am quite disappointed how series spiralled into last game where Light just stomped.

Edit, Light is watching the replay, in game 3 Soma rammed 12 scourges into Lights CC. Thats why it was destroyed.
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Deleted User 513418
Profile Joined November 2019
138 Posts
November 22 2019 20:07 GMT
#137
Sad to see Zero choke like always. He has been absolutely dominant in KCM and spon matches since returning. That said, Rain played phenomenally. I hope the Invisible Terran puts up a fight in the Finals.
ShAsTa
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium2841 Posts
November 22 2019 21:23 GMT
#138
Rain did well. Zero played poorly. I hope Light will win in the finals.
If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-22 22:24:01
November 22 2019 22:23 GMT
#139
Was kinda really hoping for a Light vs Zero finals, but Rain outplayed him.

Hopeful for a close series in the finals. Then again it's Rain.
Mine gas, build tanks.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
November 22 2019 23:37 GMT
#140
Aw snap, looks we got Rain after all!

Great job adapting his game plan to Zero's style. That was a masterclass PvZ with the clarification that Zero played below par. Losing a bunch of drones to a seen DT is uncharacteristic, for example.

Light vs Soma wasn't bad, tbh. Soma just got countered strategically and fell apart in my opinion. The mad success of game 1 was due to a bad moveout by Light, which is not that uncommon with his play, and on CB he engaged really poorly with his big muta flock near the 9 o'clock. Light weathered some storms.

Rain is probably going to beat him up pretty badly, though. I don't think Light can go toe to toe with mischief of such high caliber. Anyway, I much prefer Rain to take a title like that and not after seven hundred mirrors where he toys with people like Snow.
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