• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:09
CET 17:09
KST 01:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA12
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Data analysis on 70 million replays soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Path of Exile [Game] Osu!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1669 users

[ASL8] Ro24 Group E - Page 4

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8600 Posts
July 14 2019 12:12 GMT
#61
That was a bit anti-climatic....
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 12:14:27
July 14 2019 12:13 GMT
#62
On July 14 2019 21:06 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2019 20:49 Miragee wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:33 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:28 Miragee wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:01 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 19:56 Miragee wrote:
Well, the way Stork has been playing in recent months I would surely give him the edge over Sharp. If it goes to a macro game it should be a safe win. The only way I see for Sharp in a macro game is if he does a ton of damage with vultures.

On July 14 2019 19:53 HolydaKing wrote:
Been a while since I watched a BW game. What an annihilation.


Welcome back!


Are we speaking of the same Sharp who advanced to KSL 2 finals after beating Rain?


Eh, I said recent months. Recent months is not 2018 by this point and Stork had a brilliant run this year in KSL and his game against Calm (and now Sharp) shows the same kind of play he showed then.


Stork is playing well and can surely beat Sharp but saying he is the favourite here seems a little too much to me.


I just don't feel like Sharp is very strong in TvP. He is solid by now but Stork is just incredible in PvT when he is on point and he's in a great shape recently. Not comparable to his old self but yeah, in the current era, right at this moment, I would put him ahead of Sharp in a head-to-head contest. Note that I didn't say Stork is the better player overall atm. Just head-to-head.


Sharp's TvP was literally the best except for Flash's in the last eight months(considering tournament results), he appeared weaker in TvZ. Maybe that changed with KSL 3, I would still be reluctant to consider Stork the favourite in a series.


Sharp's TvP is not good, the reasons he's considered the second best after Flash is because all other Terrans are terrible at TvP as well. I wouldn't put Sharp favoured against any of the top Protoss players today.
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 12:48:28
July 14 2019 12:14 GMT
#63
He played quite alright though, I've definitely seen way worse (Hyuk that is)
its me
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8600 Posts
July 14 2019 12:18 GMT
#64
On July 14 2019 21:06 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2019 20:49 Miragee wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:33 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:28 Miragee wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:01 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 19:56 Miragee wrote:
Well, the way Stork has been playing in recent months I would surely give him the edge over Sharp. If it goes to a macro game it should be a safe win. The only way I see for Sharp in a macro game is if he does a ton of damage with vultures.

On July 14 2019 19:53 HolydaKing wrote:
Been a while since I watched a BW game. What an annihilation.


Welcome back!


Are we speaking of the same Sharp who advanced to KSL 2 finals after beating Rain?


Eh, I said recent months. Recent months is not 2018 by this point and Stork had a brilliant run this year in KSL and his game against Calm (and now Sharp) shows the same kind of play he showed then.


Stork is playing well and can surely beat Sharp but saying he is the favourite here seems a little too much to me.


I just don't feel like Sharp is very strong in TvP. He is solid by now but Stork is just incredible in PvT when he is on point and he's in a great shape recently. Not comparable to his old self but yeah, in the current era, right at this moment, I would put him ahead of Sharp in a head-to-head contest. Note that I didn't say Stork is the better player overall atm. Just head-to-head.


Sharp's TvP was literally the best except for Flash's in the last eight months(considering tournament results), he appeared weaker in TvZ. Maybe that changed with KSL 3, I would still be reluctant to consider Stork the favourite in a series.


Well, that's fine. It's not like I'm an expert or anything, it's just my personal feel after having observed both of them in recent months. Also being the second best at TvP in this era is not an indication of being good (not even sure if this is true now that Last is not terrible at TvP anymore). Flash is literally the only genuenly good terran in this match up atm.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 14 2019 12:19 GMT
#65
On July 14 2019 21:13 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2019 21:06 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:49 Miragee wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:33 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:28 Miragee wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:01 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 19:56 Miragee wrote:
Well, the way Stork has been playing in recent months I would surely give him the edge over Sharp. If it goes to a macro game it should be a safe win. The only way I see for Sharp in a macro game is if he does a ton of damage with vultures.

On July 14 2019 19:53 HolydaKing wrote:
Been a while since I watched a BW game. What an annihilation.


Welcome back!


Are we speaking of the same Sharp who advanced to KSL 2 finals after beating Rain?


Eh, I said recent months. Recent months is not 2018 by this point and Stork had a brilliant run this year in KSL and his game against Calm (and now Sharp) shows the same kind of play he showed then.


Stork is playing well and can surely beat Sharp but saying he is the favourite here seems a little too much to me.


I just don't feel like Sharp is very strong in TvP. He is solid by now but Stork is just incredible in PvT when he is on point and he's in a great shape recently. Not comparable to his old self but yeah, in the current era, right at this moment, I would put him ahead of Sharp in a head-to-head contest. Note that I didn't say Stork is the better player overall atm. Just head-to-head.


Sharp's TvP was literally the best except for Flash's in the last eight months(considering tournament results), he appeared weaker in TvZ. Maybe that changed with KSL 3, I would still be reluctant to consider Stork the favourite in a series.


Sharp's TvP is not good, the reasons he's considered the second best after Flash is because all other Terrans are terrible at TvP as well. I wouldn't put Sharp favoured against any of the top Protoss players today.


That's a fascinating theory, actual results in Starleagues seem to indicate otherwise; also, Sharp is expected to smash at least Mini.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50586 Posts
July 14 2019 12:22 GMT
#66
Poll: Recommend Final Game?

If you have time (9)
 
56%

No (4)
 
25%

Yes (3)
 
19%

16 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
July 14 2019 13:22 GMT
#67
On July 14 2019 21:14 Kaolla wrote:
He played quite alright though, I've definitely seen way worse (Hyuk that is)

I think he could have won, if he recognized the timing attack and skipped the queens
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 16:03:30
July 14 2019 15:43 GMT
#68
+ Show Spoiler +
FlaSh >
Stork > JD. I'm gonna root this veteran to go deep on this one.

Happy for Sharp, that harass style is becoming my favorite. Also that last game lol, Hyuk hyukin himself, some things guess never change. If he was careful with mines maybe he could win, he throw away so many lings and hydras for mines.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Nematocyst
Profile Joined October 2017
United States164 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 16:53:16
July 14 2019 16:52 GMT
#69
One of Flash's games, he kept refusing to build towers at roughly 9 oclock. People later observed that probably cost him the game-- the continued harass there.

It's easy in retrospect to say Hyuk should have just plopped a 2nd sunken because of the harass. Clearly these guys have it ingrained not to waste resources to such extent that continued harass happens sometimes. It is entertaining to have a master harasser like Sharp do such things.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 17:10:35
July 14 2019 17:07 GMT
#70
Hyuk didn't even need a second sunken, probably 2-3 hydras in the ramp would have made it hell for Sharp to harrass (he was idling hydras in his rally point anyways).

I don't understand the queen switch, it was sooo slow and he already head +2 cap for mutas for meatshields plus a bunch of hydras (+1/0 probably?), he needed to play textbook ZvMech and prepare a massive flank against Sharp's last attempt.

Also his full muta attack on Sharp was wild gamble when we he was controlling the map and was spawning hydralisks. He basically fought with 2/3 his power against a full defensive terran setup.

Also so painful to see such a late overlord speed =/

Sharp did gain a bunch of tiny edges over and over. I was particularly impressed as how he stayed focused and mined his entrance against the ling follow up after being attack by like 24 mutas.
Moderator<:3-/-<
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
July 14 2019 17:52 GMT
#71
On July 14 2019 21:19 Xain0n wrote:

That's a fascinating theory, actual results in Starleagues seem to indicate otherwise; also, Sharp is expected to smash at least Mini.


Sharp is 10-13 v P in ASL and got thoroughly beaten by a decrepit Stork.
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
July 14 2019 18:24 GMT
#72
What a hyuk
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 14 2019 19:00 GMT
#73
On July 15 2019 02:52 KamMoye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2019 21:19 Xain0n wrote:

That's a fascinating theory, actual results in Starleagues seem to indicate otherwise; also, Sharp is expected to smash at least Mini.


Sharp is 10-13 v P in ASL and got thoroughly beaten by a decrepit Stork.


In the last seven/eight months Sharp had very good results against the best Protoss in both ASL and KSL, his all time record in ASL isn't really that relevant.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 14 2019 19:13 GMT
#74
What does the fish mean?
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
July 14 2019 19:24 GMT
#75
On July 15 2019 02:52 KamMoye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2019 21:19 Xain0n wrote:

That's a fascinating theory, actual results in Starleagues seem to indicate otherwise; also, Sharp is expected to smash at least Mini.


Sharp is 10-13 v P in ASL and got thoroughly beaten by a decrepit Stork.

Decrepit? How? That's the same Stork who destroyed the current ASL champion 3:0 fairly recently.

Mini, for his part, doesn't have the best PvT. He got demolished 3:0 by Sharp in the CMSL, IIRC.
WriterReV hwaiting!
Jaeyun
Profile Joined June 2017
United States202 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 21:54:08
July 14 2019 21:53 GMT
#76
Sharp has a strong TvP, it’s his TvZ that really has problems. It’s just there’s a lot of strong P’s in this time that it’s hard to necessarily be favored because they all have monster PvT’s.

The other weird thing about Sharp is that he’s so good at certain things but something about his intuition or game sense especially vs. Z seems really off. His vulture play in both TvZ and TvP is amazing, and is always active with them.
www.twitch.tv/jaeyun
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
July 15 2019 00:03 GMT
#77
Stork played great in his group. He really looked revitalized. I wonder what has changed.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8144 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-15 01:01:31
July 15 2019 01:01 GMT
#78
Sharp's still IMO definitely the #3 Terran after flash and last, but yeah his game has some problems. He has had a lot of trouble in tournaments vs 2-hatch muta (see him struggling vs modesty last KSL) and his harass-based TvP has been shakier in the last 6 months (partly due to maps though I think). Glad he advanced to the Ro16 though.

Why is stork so good now? it doesn't make any sense but it's really cool to see that last KSL wasn't a fluke. Gives me hope that maybe it's not actually time to give up hope on JD coming back to form at some point too.

Hyuk totally blew a huge lead with that all-in attack on Sharp, I can't believe he committed to it. He played well vs calm though.

Calm seemed prime to take stork down with a zergling or hydra all-in or something after beating the zealot rush... but then just walled off the map and was late getting a hydra den and forgot to spread his lings out to scout for shuttles and just played so bad. Seemed like he had a gameplan for something specific before the match started and decided to not change the plan when a good opportunity presented itself. His second game was better but as said by someone else forgetting to morph that spore in his main totally cost him the game.
Free Palestine
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1092 Posts
July 15 2019 02:16 GMT
#79
Stork has definately revived. He must have the sickest eAPM of all time.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2397 Posts
July 15 2019 05:22 GMT
#80
On July 15 2019 09:03 BisuDagger wrote:
Stork played great in his group. He really looked revitalized. I wonder what has changed.


He's giving 110% recently cause he's gonna play Classic WoW again
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
15:00
FSL TeamLeague wk19 PTB vs IC
Freeedom21
Liquipedia
SC Evo League
12:30
#16
SteadfastSC109
LiquipediaDiscussion
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Group B
WardiTV1235
TKL 431
Rex138
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko433
TKL 431
Rex 138
SteadfastSC 109
Codebar 54
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 50603
Rain 2329
firebathero 327
Killer 149
Noble 131
Aegong 56
soO 52
Backho 48
Rock 46
Oya187 45
[ Show more ]
zelot 25
ToSsGirL 21
HiyA 20
Movie 19
Terrorterran 14
yabsab 12
Shine 12
ivOry 9
Dota 2
Gorgc6523
qojqva5182
Dendi943
League of Legends
Trikslyr37
rGuardiaN7
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1459
byalli636
oskar148
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor395
Other Games
B2W.Neo1732
Mlord501
Hui .408
crisheroes394
Beastyqt360
FrodaN267
Fuzer 138
XcaliburYe90
XaKoH 83
DeMusliM23
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream24002
Other Games
EGCTV785
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1827
• Ler47
League of Legends
• Nemesis3170
• Stunt709
Upcoming Events
IPSL
51m
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
OSC
51m
BSL 21
3h 51m
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
RSL Revival
15h 21m
Classic vs SHIN
Maru vs TBD
herO vs TBD
Wardi Open
21h 51m
IPSL
1d 3h
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
1d 3h
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
OSC
1d 6h
OSC
1d 16h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LAN Event
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.