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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8560 Posts
July 14 2019 12:12 GMT
#61
That was a bit anti-climatic....
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 12:14:27
July 14 2019 12:13 GMT
#62
On July 14 2019 21:06 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2019 20:49 Miragee wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:33 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:28 Miragee wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:01 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 19:56 Miragee wrote:
Well, the way Stork has been playing in recent months I would surely give him the edge over Sharp. If it goes to a macro game it should be a safe win. The only way I see for Sharp in a macro game is if he does a ton of damage with vultures.

On July 14 2019 19:53 HolydaKing wrote:
Been a while since I watched a BW game. What an annihilation.


Welcome back!


Are we speaking of the same Sharp who advanced to KSL 2 finals after beating Rain?


Eh, I said recent months. Recent months is not 2018 by this point and Stork had a brilliant run this year in KSL and his game against Calm (and now Sharp) shows the same kind of play he showed then.


Stork is playing well and can surely beat Sharp but saying he is the favourite here seems a little too much to me.


I just don't feel like Sharp is very strong in TvP. He is solid by now but Stork is just incredible in PvT when he is on point and he's in a great shape recently. Not comparable to his old self but yeah, in the current era, right at this moment, I would put him ahead of Sharp in a head-to-head contest. Note that I didn't say Stork is the better player overall atm. Just head-to-head.


Sharp's TvP was literally the best except for Flash's in the last eight months(considering tournament results), he appeared weaker in TvZ. Maybe that changed with KSL 3, I would still be reluctant to consider Stork the favourite in a series.


Sharp's TvP is not good, the reasons he's considered the second best after Flash is because all other Terrans are terrible at TvP as well. I wouldn't put Sharp favoured against any of the top Protoss players today.
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 12:48:28
July 14 2019 12:14 GMT
#63
He played quite alright though, I've definitely seen way worse (Hyuk that is)
its me
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8560 Posts
July 14 2019 12:18 GMT
#64
On July 14 2019 21:06 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2019 20:49 Miragee wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:33 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:28 Miragee wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:01 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 19:56 Miragee wrote:
Well, the way Stork has been playing in recent months I would surely give him the edge over Sharp. If it goes to a macro game it should be a safe win. The only way I see for Sharp in a macro game is if he does a ton of damage with vultures.

On July 14 2019 19:53 HolydaKing wrote:
Been a while since I watched a BW game. What an annihilation.


Welcome back!


Are we speaking of the same Sharp who advanced to KSL 2 finals after beating Rain?


Eh, I said recent months. Recent months is not 2018 by this point and Stork had a brilliant run this year in KSL and his game against Calm (and now Sharp) shows the same kind of play he showed then.


Stork is playing well and can surely beat Sharp but saying he is the favourite here seems a little too much to me.


I just don't feel like Sharp is very strong in TvP. He is solid by now but Stork is just incredible in PvT when he is on point and he's in a great shape recently. Not comparable to his old self but yeah, in the current era, right at this moment, I would put him ahead of Sharp in a head-to-head contest. Note that I didn't say Stork is the better player overall atm. Just head-to-head.


Sharp's TvP was literally the best except for Flash's in the last eight months(considering tournament results), he appeared weaker in TvZ. Maybe that changed with KSL 3, I would still be reluctant to consider Stork the favourite in a series.


Well, that's fine. It's not like I'm an expert or anything, it's just my personal feel after having observed both of them in recent months. Also being the second best at TvP in this era is not an indication of being good (not even sure if this is true now that Last is not terrible at TvP anymore). Flash is literally the only genuenly good terran in this match up atm.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 14 2019 12:19 GMT
#65
On July 14 2019 21:13 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2019 21:06 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:49 Miragee wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:33 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:28 Miragee wrote:
On July 14 2019 20:01 Xain0n wrote:
On July 14 2019 19:56 Miragee wrote:
Well, the way Stork has been playing in recent months I would surely give him the edge over Sharp. If it goes to a macro game it should be a safe win. The only way I see for Sharp in a macro game is if he does a ton of damage with vultures.

On July 14 2019 19:53 HolydaKing wrote:
Been a while since I watched a BW game. What an annihilation.


Welcome back!


Are we speaking of the same Sharp who advanced to KSL 2 finals after beating Rain?


Eh, I said recent months. Recent months is not 2018 by this point and Stork had a brilliant run this year in KSL and his game against Calm (and now Sharp) shows the same kind of play he showed then.


Stork is playing well and can surely beat Sharp but saying he is the favourite here seems a little too much to me.


I just don't feel like Sharp is very strong in TvP. He is solid by now but Stork is just incredible in PvT when he is on point and he's in a great shape recently. Not comparable to his old self but yeah, in the current era, right at this moment, I would put him ahead of Sharp in a head-to-head contest. Note that I didn't say Stork is the better player overall atm. Just head-to-head.


Sharp's TvP was literally the best except for Flash's in the last eight months(considering tournament results), he appeared weaker in TvZ. Maybe that changed with KSL 3, I would still be reluctant to consider Stork the favourite in a series.


Sharp's TvP is not good, the reasons he's considered the second best after Flash is because all other Terrans are terrible at TvP as well. I wouldn't put Sharp favoured against any of the top Protoss players today.


That's a fascinating theory, actual results in Starleagues seem to indicate otherwise; also, Sharp is expected to smash at least Mini.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50465 Posts
July 14 2019 12:22 GMT
#66
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ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
July 14 2019 13:22 GMT
#67
On July 14 2019 21:14 Kaolla wrote:
He played quite alright though, I've definitely seen way worse (Hyuk that is)

I think he could have won, if he recognized the timing attack and skipped the queens
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 16:03:30
July 14 2019 15:43 GMT
#68
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FlaSh >
Stork > JD. I'm gonna root this veteran to go deep on this one.

Happy for Sharp, that harass style is becoming my favorite. Also that last game lol, Hyuk hyukin himself, some things guess never change. If he was careful with mines maybe he could win, he throw away so many lings and hydras for mines.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Nematocyst
Profile Joined October 2017
United States164 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 16:53:16
July 14 2019 16:52 GMT
#69
One of Flash's games, he kept refusing to build towers at roughly 9 oclock. People later observed that probably cost him the game-- the continued harass there.

It's easy in retrospect to say Hyuk should have just plopped a 2nd sunken because of the harass. Clearly these guys have it ingrained not to waste resources to such extent that continued harass happens sometimes. It is entertaining to have a master harasser like Sharp do such things.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 17:10:35
July 14 2019 17:07 GMT
#70
Hyuk didn't even need a second sunken, probably 2-3 hydras in the ramp would have made it hell for Sharp to harrass (he was idling hydras in his rally point anyways).

I don't understand the queen switch, it was sooo slow and he already head +2 cap for mutas for meatshields plus a bunch of hydras (+1/0 probably?), he needed to play textbook ZvMech and prepare a massive flank against Sharp's last attempt.

Also his full muta attack on Sharp was wild gamble when we he was controlling the map and was spawning hydralisks. He basically fought with 2/3 his power against a full defensive terran setup.

Also so painful to see such a late overlord speed =/

Sharp did gain a bunch of tiny edges over and over. I was particularly impressed as how he stayed focused and mined his entrance against the ling follow up after being attack by like 24 mutas.
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KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
July 14 2019 17:52 GMT
#71
On July 14 2019 21:19 Xain0n wrote:

That's a fascinating theory, actual results in Starleagues seem to indicate otherwise; also, Sharp is expected to smash at least Mini.


Sharp is 10-13 v P in ASL and got thoroughly beaten by a decrepit Stork.
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
July 14 2019 18:24 GMT
#72
What a hyuk
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 14 2019 19:00 GMT
#73
On July 15 2019 02:52 KamMoye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2019 21:19 Xain0n wrote:

That's a fascinating theory, actual results in Starleagues seem to indicate otherwise; also, Sharp is expected to smash at least Mini.


Sharp is 10-13 v P in ASL and got thoroughly beaten by a decrepit Stork.


In the last seven/eight months Sharp had very good results against the best Protoss in both ASL and KSL, his all time record in ASL isn't really that relevant.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 14 2019 19:13 GMT
#74
What does the fish mean?
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
July 14 2019 19:24 GMT
#75
On July 15 2019 02:52 KamMoye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2019 21:19 Xain0n wrote:

That's a fascinating theory, actual results in Starleagues seem to indicate otherwise; also, Sharp is expected to smash at least Mini.


Sharp is 10-13 v P in ASL and got thoroughly beaten by a decrepit Stork.

Decrepit? How? That's the same Stork who destroyed the current ASL champion 3:0 fairly recently.

Mini, for his part, doesn't have the best PvT. He got demolished 3:0 by Sharp in the CMSL, IIRC.
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Jaeyun
Profile Joined June 2017
United States202 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 21:54:08
July 14 2019 21:53 GMT
#76
Sharp has a strong TvP, it’s his TvZ that really has problems. It’s just there’s a lot of strong P’s in this time that it’s hard to necessarily be favored because they all have monster PvT’s.

The other weird thing about Sharp is that he’s so good at certain things but something about his intuition or game sense especially vs. Z seems really off. His vulture play in both TvZ and TvP is amazing, and is always active with them.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19276 Posts
July 15 2019 00:03 GMT
#77
Stork played great in his group. He really looked revitalized. I wonder what has changed.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8128 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-15 01:01:31
July 15 2019 01:01 GMT
#78
Sharp's still IMO definitely the #3 Terran after flash and last, but yeah his game has some problems. He has had a lot of trouble in tournaments vs 2-hatch muta (see him struggling vs modesty last KSL) and his harass-based TvP has been shakier in the last 6 months (partly due to maps though I think). Glad he advanced to the Ro16 though.

Why is stork so good now? it doesn't make any sense but it's really cool to see that last KSL wasn't a fluke. Gives me hope that maybe it's not actually time to give up hope on JD coming back to form at some point too.

Hyuk totally blew a huge lead with that all-in attack on Sharp, I can't believe he committed to it. He played well vs calm though.

Calm seemed prime to take stork down with a zergling or hydra all-in or something after beating the zealot rush... but then just walled off the map and was late getting a hydra den and forgot to spread his lings out to scout for shuttles and just played so bad. Seemed like he had a gameplan for something specific before the match started and decided to not change the plan when a good opportunity presented itself. His second game was better but as said by someone else forgetting to morph that spore in his main totally cost him the game.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1077 Posts
July 15 2019 02:16 GMT
#79
Stork has definately revived. He must have the sickest eAPM of all time.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
July 15 2019 05:22 GMT
#80
On July 15 2019 09:03 BisuDagger wrote:
Stork played great in his group. He really looked revitalized. I wonder what has changed.


He's giving 110% recently cause he's gonna play Classic WoW again
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
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