EPTrush played pretty soild. i always thought he had great mechanics and good understanding of game. he looks promising. i didn't expect a lot from mong, and it was a good experience for new toss guy noob. it was bad, im sure he can't do worse next time.
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LfunkGG
78 Posts
rush played pretty soild. i always thought he had great mechanics and good understanding of game. he looks promising. i didn't expect a lot from mong, and it was a good experience for new toss guy noob. it was bad, im sure he can't do worse next time. | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On July 04 2019 04:45 RWLabs wrote: My feelings aren't hurt. I just dislike the Brood War culture of crapping on people enthusiastic about the game because their skills aren't quite there yet. What? I wasn't talking about Rapid's enthusiasm. What point are you trying to make? I'm one person. I'm not "Brood War culture." I have specific reasons for what I say, whether it's praise or criticism or whatever. If you'd like to hear my specific reasons, I'll be glad to share them. Otherwise, have a nice day. | ||
GTR
51500 Posts
On July 05 2019 00:45 Dante08 wrote: Maybe Cadenzie can join the casting archon to form a trio? Like a supporting caster role or something, the Koreans usually have 3 casters as well. it's been constantly proven over time that it just doesn't work as well in english as it does in korean. producers try to make it work, and it simply doesn't. | ||
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Martha1
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TornadoSteve
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria409 Posts
I would advice people to please refrain from criticizing her harshly or in immoderate words. She is the best we have right now, we should cherish her, we should praise her. Yes, sure, point some errors if you are better than her, this is acceptable and most welcome. But if you're just a whiny couch potato - do not do it, it does not become a man to act in this way. All in all - Cadenzie, you're doing great, keep it up! Your knowledge is unparalleled, your attitude is genuine, even your modesty and occasional reluctance to speak when unsure is charming. I'd much prefer frugality with words when one is uncertain rather than some oafish audacious loquacity. | ||
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Szinkler
Hungary394 Posts
I know it's subjective, but she has a very "bad" voice and she doesn't articulate words. Whatever she says just irritates me/us. (I wouldn't write these if I was the only one with this opinion because I can be an exception, but I am not) She has a great knowledge of the game, much better than Tastless' that is a plus, but basically that is the only one. I would rather listen to Artosis or Rapid alone than to have her. I have nothing against her (I really respect her for what she achieved in SC!), but she is just not suited for casting. And I am fairly certain you can't correct the "faults" I mentioned in a short period of time because it's those kind of errors... speech "errors" ( i don't know the word). At this age it would take years to correct this. I'm not saying it's impossible. ((What you mention that she is pretty young, no experience, first time in front of camera etc, doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with her speech error, she has the same on stream and for sure in real life as well)) I wanted to say my piece because I am not alone with this opinion. I don't want to hurt her of anything but these are the facts. I have lot of "errors", faults as well, everyone does. If she tries the almost impossible road to correct hers, kudos to her and maybe in a couple of years it's going to be different. I am not going to reply to anyone regarding this here. (If you wish we can talk on discord.) To say something about Day 2: pretty bad games, overall quality of games were really low in my opinion. The TvT was decent, but the other games... Larva vs Rush, so many mistakes. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4139 Posts
On July 05 2019 05:03 GTR wrote: it's been constantly proven over time that it just doesn't work as well in english as it does in korean. producers try to make it work, and it simply doesn't. Interesting, why is that so? | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria409 Posts
On July 05 2019 22:22 Alpha-NP- wrote: How good is she in comparison to players like Bonyth or Eonzerg? I would say skill-wise she is at about their level or slightly worse in terms of execution but nothing absurd like A ICCUP vs C+ ICCUP. There was some KCM where she played and won vs Bonyth (I hope I am not utterly wrong about this one and if I am, please correct me) and yes, it is just one game yet the point is she is comfortable playing against the best of foreign BW players and she is not getting smashed. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3686 Posts
On July 05 2019 05:03 GTR wrote: it's been constantly proven over time that it just doesn't work as well in english as it does in korean. producers try to make it work, and it simply doesn't. "constantly" I can remember like 3 times in the last 10 years that it was actually tried, and that is across BW and SC2 (outside of fun events like Homestory Cup or the Remastered Launch Party). I personaly always enjoyed 3 way casts whenever they were tried, it would obviously take some getting used to. I think it might as well be worth trying it for a full season of something. I don't think the occasional series that it was tried on was enough of an indicator. Why not try it for an entire ASL or KSL season so we get a definitive answer on whether it can work? | ||
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Ideas
United States8144 Posts
On July 05 2019 23:49 Lorch wrote: "constantly" I can remember like 3 times in the last 10 years that it was actually tried, and that is across BW and SC2 (outside of fun events like Homestory Cup or the Remastered Launch Party). I personaly always enjoyed 3 way casts whenever they were tried, it would obviously take some getting used to. I think it might as well be worth trying it for a full season of something. I don't think the occasional series that it was tried on was enough of an indicator. Why not try it for an entire ASL or KSL season so we get a definitive answer on whether it can work? I'm guessing it's more if a money thing than a format thing. Hell I still find it crazy that ASL/KSL do an English cast at all when they give it away FOR FREE and none of the ads are in English or targeted towards non-Koreans at all. A 3rd caster makes the whole thing 50% more expensive. | ||
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
On July 05 2019 23:32 JoinTheRain wrote: I would say skill-wise she is at about their level or slightly worse in terms of execution but nothing absurd like A ICCUP vs C+ ICCUP. There was some KCM where she played and won vs Bonyth (I hope I am not utterly wrong about this one and if I am, please correct me) and yes, it is just one game yet the point is she is comfortable playing against the best of foreign BW players and she is not getting smashed. She won vs Dewalt with a Hydra bust. Using that to estimate her skill level close to Dewalt is very bold. Regarding her speech, I think it is fine besides being quieter than Artosis. And I take that flaw any time considering the much better strategic inside of the commentary. | ||
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
On July 05 2019 22:22 Alpha-NP- wrote: How good is she in comparison to the old iccup rankings and compared to players like Bonyth or Eonzerg? I know you didn't mention this to say she shouldn't cast or anything. But I want to give my opinion on why I like her as a caster. Faults aside, she's got fantastic insight on Korean BW. Her experience in that area is incredible, and to allow us peons to listen to her thoughts on it is helpful towards any cast. Either she wants to be a full time caster or she doesn't, but I welcome her presence because she provides first hand knowledge of playing on teams and just knowing most of the top ex-pros. Being good in tournament setting is a small piece of the puzzle. Artosis seldom fares well, but as a caster, his perspective is truly second to none among English speaking casters. | ||
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KrsNinja
Norway24 Posts
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Puosu
6992 Posts
On July 05 2019 20:00 Szinkler wrote: I didn't want to say anything about Cadenzie's casting here but this last comment made me. Not because of what JoinTheRain wrote (okay, partly), but it was not the first comment "praising her"/"for her" and I absolutely disagree with that and think have to say the other side's piece. And I know a lot of people personally who has the same opinion as me. I know it's subjective, but she has a very "bad" voice and she doesn't articulate words. Whatever she says just irritates me/us. (I wouldn't write these if I was the only one with this opinion because I can be an exception, but I am not) She has a great knowledge of the game, much better than Tastless' that is a plus, but basically that is the only one. I would rather listen to Artosis or Rapid alone than to have her. I have nothing against her (I really respect her for what she achieved in SC!), but she is just not suited for casting. And I am fairly certain you can't correct the "faults" I mentioned in a short period of time because it's those kind of errors... speech "errors" ( i don't know the word). At this age it would take years to correct this. I'm not saying it's impossible. ((What you mention that she is pretty young, no experience, first time in front of camera etc, doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with her speech error, she has the same on stream and for sure in real life as well)) I wanted to say my piece because I am not alone with this opinion. I don't want to hurt her of anything but these are the facts. I have lot of "errors", faults as well, everyone does. If she tries the almost impossible road to correct hers, kudos to her and maybe in a couple of years it's going to be different. I am not going to reply to anyone regarding this here. (If you wish we can talk on discord.) To say something about Day 2: pretty bad games, overall quality of games were really low in my opinion. The TvT was decent, but the other games... Larva vs Rush, so many mistakes. cool, non-american accent is a "speech error" | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
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