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[ASL7] Semifinal B - Rain vs Last - Page 12

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RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2110 Posts
March 05 2019 22:02 GMT
#221
Welp, I was salty after Last cheesed out Soulkey but I take it all back. What an incredible series. Game 3 was one of the best TvPs I've seen in a while.

Huge props to Last for some exceptional play this series.
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
Abjurer
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Sweden219 Posts
March 05 2019 22:11 GMT
#222
Incredible series. I haven't seen a Tvp series this good in a long while.
bw<3 cj<3
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
March 06 2019 00:01 GMT
#223
On March 06 2019 04:53 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 04:50 Rodya wrote:
On March 06 2019 01:09 Weeuweed wrote:
Unbelievable. Afreeca Youtube thumbnail spoilt the finalist again.
That makes both semifinal finalist

Honestly at this point, if you are letting yourself get spoiled by Youtube thumbnails then you simply deserve it. Just search "ASL ro4 day 2" in the search and the video that comes up will not contain any spoiler picture.

Or, you know, use afreeca.tv/aslenglish like most people.

Have you actually done this yourself? I literally copy/pasted what you wrote, and the first video in the results shows the winners of both Ro4 matches in the thumbnail.


When I went to watch this afternoon it said the full duration, clicked it and it was the final 30 minutes so I missed all the games but 1 haha.
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
March 06 2019 00:05 GMT
#224
On March 06 2019 04:50 Rodya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 01:09 Weeuweed wrote:
Unbelievable. Afreeca Youtube thumbnail spoilt the finalist again.
That makes both semifinal finalist

Honestly at this point, if you are letting yourself get spoiled by Youtube thumbnails then you simply deserve it. Just search "ASL ro4 day 2" in the search and the video that comes up will not contain any spoiler picture.

Or, you know, use afreeca.tv/aslenglish like most people.

This comment is off-putting because it contains something that is not true and assumes that everyone wants to watch at afreecaTV; I have a specific reason for watching the ASL at YouTube instead.
Aminus
Profile Joined October 2018
Bulgaria35 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 00:08:50
March 06 2019 00:08 GMT
#225
im watching the series and im on game 3, I have a big big question.
WHY IS TERRAN NOT WALLING OFF HIS EXPANSIONS?!?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 01:07:52
March 06 2019 01:07 GMT
#226
This series was just amazing, pure gold. It had the highs and lows, the macro-heavy and micro-heavy games plus you could never tell who will win till the end because the last game see-saw'd like crazy. Had it not been for that failed recall into the main due to those two goliaths, I believe that Rain would've won this game or at least he would've still been in the game and likely dealt Last some decent damage in his main.

Both players played their hearts out and that game 3 was like the prime example of how difficult late game TvP can get against such an amazing toss player like Rain who knows how to wear down his opponent. Would definitely recommend for anyone who wants a great TvP series and I'd say this was as entertaining as Flash vs Snow in ASL5.

On March 06 2019 09:08 Aminus wrote:
im watching the series and im on game 3, I have a big big question.
WHY IS TERRAN NOT WALLING OFF HIS EXPANSIONS?!?

Which ones? If memory serves, Last had a ton of depots guarding his fourth and it's true that his fifth wasn't walled off, but he was using most of his money on making units and mining etc...
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Aminus
Profile Joined October 2018
Bulgaria35 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 01:20:06
March 06 2019 01:15 GMT
#227
On March 06 2019 10:07 BigFan wrote:

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 09:08 Aminus wrote:
im watching the series and im on game 3, I have a big big question.
WHY IS TERRAN NOT WALLING OFF HIS EXPANSIONS?!?

Which ones? If memory serves, Last had a ton of depots guarding his fourth and it's true that his fifth wasn't walled off, but he was using most of his money on making units and mining etc...

Both 3rd and 4th wasnt walled off, depots were guarding tanks, and there were nothing to stop Rain from roaming around in both Lasts expansions, so last was just moving his army left and right and could barely move out to push... Im wondering are terrans forgot how to wall of after the fighing spirit era or they dont do it because they dont want to spend extra time to figure out the proper walls for new maps? His open entrances to expos were clearly the reason he couldnt do anytning with his macro advantage.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 06 2019 01:18 GMT
#228
On March 06 2019 10:15 Aminus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 10:07 BigFan wrote:

On March 06 2019 09:08 Aminus wrote:
im watching the series and im on game 3, I have a big big question.
WHY IS TERRAN NOT WALLING OFF HIS EXPANSIONS?!?

Which ones? If memory serves, Last had a ton of depots guarding his fourth and it's true that his fifth wasn't walled off, but he was using most of his money on making units and mining etc...

Both 3rd and 4th wasnt walled off, depots were guarding tanks, and there were nothing to stop Rain from roaming around in both Lasts expansions, so last was just moving his army left and right and could barely move out to push... Im wondering are terrans forgot how to wall of after the fighing spirit era or they dont do it because they dont want to spend extra time to figure out the proper walls for new maps?

Keep in mind that walling also means that if Rain recalled any of these walled bases, then Last has a harder time moving his army back to save them in time since the mech army is immobile and can be kinda clunky. Furthermore, I think you meant the 4th and 5th since the 3rd base for Last was the one at 2. Suffice to say, I was watching his resources closely and he was extremely busy keeping his macro going which is very demanding to do as well as try to defend and be aggressive when he could. Add on the fact that once Rain started being aggressive, he gave him no time to even think about walling as well.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1718 Posts
March 06 2019 01:59 GMT
#229
FUCK AFREECA for spoiling this match on the thumbnail
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4203 Posts
March 06 2019 02:10 GMT
#230
On March 06 2019 09:08 Aminus wrote:
im watching the series and im on game 3, I have a big big question.
WHY IS TERRAN NOT WALLING OFF HIS EXPANSIONS?!?


Last did and ithe depos got destroyed. You simply have no time in late game macro BW to rebuild those.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4203 Posts
March 06 2019 02:11 GMT
#231
On March 06 2019 10:59 ShowTheLights wrote:
FUCK AFREECA for spoiling this match on the thumbnail


Yeah Afreeca needs to get their shit together for their YouTube channel. Constant upload issues and spoilers.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 02:21:38
March 06 2019 02:19 GMT
#232
Game 5 was just mind-blowing.

Mentor Stork > Mentor Flash :~)

On March 06 2019 11:11 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 10:59 ShowTheLights wrote:
FUCK AFREECA for spoiling this match on the thumbnail


Yeah Afreeca needs to get their shit together for their YouTube channel. Constant upload issues and spoilers.

I don't mind u/l issues but yeah the thumbnail spoiled the first semis for me as well, still that series was so good I got easily over it in the end.
The heart's eternal vow
kidcrash
Profile Joined September 2009
United States626 Posts
March 06 2019 02:37 GMT
#233
Just a small take away from the series and just tvp meta in general but it seems pro terrans are getting really good at punishing fast nexus. Doesnt seem like eco cheese (early game) is really worth it anymore. Seems like safe standard builds or agro/proxy/cheese are the better options right now as p.
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2454 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 03:42:05
March 06 2019 03:34 GMT
#234
I am so happy for Last, that was amazing!

Edit: I was watching while also trying to put a desk thing together but I don't remember any fast nexii in any of the games? Well maybe in game 5? But the "free" fast nexus on Blockchain is kind of a special case, as was Last's response.
The original Bogus fan.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4946 Posts
March 06 2019 05:27 GMT
#235
My heart was racing through most of this series. I'm a true "both games are great" type of person, but damn if this series wasn't one of the best I've watched in months.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13537 Posts
March 06 2019 06:08 GMT
#236
All in on Mini time.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ballnazor
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden22 Posts
March 06 2019 07:12 GMT
#237
Another great series ruined by afreecas youtube thumbnails zzzzz
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11112 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 08:45:08
March 06 2019 08:43 GMT
#238
On March 06 2019 07:02 RJGooner wrote:
Welp, I was salty after Last cheesed out Soulkey but I take it all back. What an incredible series. Game 3 was one of the best TvPs I've seen in a while.

Huge props to Last for some exceptional play this series.


Same. This was the finals I wanted.

Grah rain is too human still. Control issues here and there where last has infinite apm. For some reason feels like he takes more worse fights than other tosses. Like hell just go macro god and chuck things at the Terran,

Man that was really excellent. I really like having some cheese mixed in and both spiced it up nicely. Lasts macro is like a rogue ai
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Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
March 06 2019 09:37 GMT
#239
One of the most heart breaking matches I've watched. It's simply not fair the people not to vote for Rain in order to avoid PvP in the final. In fact I like Last as a player and he got some cool decisions in his pocket. But he is not the best yet. Not as Effort or Rain. And those lucky proxy factory at the end... I have to admit that Last deserved a 5th deciders match, he deserved one more chance.
Not the most polished semifinal, but this was one of the most epic for sure, along with Effort-Mini. Starcraft e-sport scene deserves champions from the three races. And there aren't many tosses around. Rain should do it. C'mon, even for the sake of Busu and his fans. At least Rain and his brutal statistics in SC and SC2! I got to say that in those impossible mechanics only Flash is No1 and Bisu at some unit movements, but then it comes Rain, who deserves more than one ASL. Then he can happily retire!
Oz; MMA; Rain; sOs; Classic, Soulkey, TY, Dark
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44313 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 10:40:59
March 06 2019 10:38 GMT
#240
On March 06 2019 18:37 Veluvian wrote:
One of the most heart breaking matches I've watched. It's simply not fair the people not to vote for Rain in order to avoid PvP in the final. In fact I like Last as a player and he got some cool decisions in his pocket. But he is not the best yet. Not as Effort or Rain. And those lucky proxy factory at the end... I have to admit that Last deserved a 5th deciders match, he deserved one more chance.
Not the most polished semifinal, but this was one of the most epic for sure, along with Effort-Mini. Starcraft e-sport scene deserves champions from the three races. And there aren't many tosses around. Rain should do it. C'mon, even for the sake of Busu and his fans. At least Rain and his brutal statistics in SC and SC2! I got to say that in those impossible mechanics only Flash is No1 and Bisu at some unit movements, but then it comes Rain, who deserves more than one ASL. Then he can happily retire!

Winning championships isn't about "deserving to win" it is about actually beating opponents and it turns out that Rain isn't good enough to beat the other finalist. This is a competitive scene where skill matters the most and it doesn't matter if somebody deserved to win if that player doesn't have the skills to do it.

Viewing experience is all about enjoyment. I would still vote a pvt finals over pvp finals. Unless pvp is actually more fun as a spectator but it isn't

I understand the frustration but there is still a chance for a "toss champion" with mini on the finals.
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