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Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
March 04 2019 00:12 GMT
#201
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Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
March 04 2019 00:13 GMT
#202
Mini prayed to the revolutionist and it worked.
StarkTemplar
Profile Joined March 2013
United States9 Posts
March 04 2019 00:20 GMT
#203
On March 03 2019 20:38 carebear91 wrote:
Oh god mini looks so tilted.

On a side note, does anyone know where to find a track list for this season’s ASL?. They have a bunch of great songs this season.


I would love to find a track list too. Youtube lists some of the songs but many of them are wrong or missing completely. I really like the first song in RO8 Day 1. I've been trying everything to find the artist who does it. Shazaam, reddit, etc but can't find it lol. It's stuck in my head arggg.

Winter is Coming
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1600 Posts
March 04 2019 01:23 GMT
#204
Mini fighting! Gotta love his micro and timings
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
March 04 2019 02:01 GMT
#205
Honestly Effort just threw away this series. I don't understand how you completely scout Mini's build twice and then fail to react appropriately two times.
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Li_Xin
Profile Joined January 2018
51 Posts
March 04 2019 02:34 GMT
#206
On March 04 2019 09:12 Ty2 wrote:
I'm pulling for Last all the way now that Effort is out. The man deserves it!

But he killed Jaedong...
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1170 Posts
March 04 2019 02:43 GMT
#207
On March 04 2019 11:34 Li_Xin wrote:
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On March 04 2019 09:12 Ty2 wrote:
I'm pulling for Last all the way now that Effort is out. The man deserves it!

But he killed Jaedong...


1. Jaedong's alive and uploads StarCraft pretty much every day, I'm subscribed to his YT

2. Last is on the same boat, battling wrist issues
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
March 04 2019 03:43 GMT
#208
On March 03 2019 22:44 Dante08 wrote:
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On March 03 2019 21:01 oxKnu wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:58 Dante08 wrote:
Effort tried to be too smart in the games he lost. Why keep going muta?


Because Z's are used to getting free wins by just going Mutas for such a long time, along with Z's not caring what P usually does in the matchup in terms of BO. It's hard to beat old habits.


I'll credit to Mini though, instead of building Corsairs when he saw Mutas he built Archons + dragoons which I seldom see and Effort was totally caught off guard. There were a few times in the series where he just flew mutas and a ton of scourge in with no Corsairs to snipe lol.


I feel that was more a blunder of Effort though. Why on earth would Mini switch back to corsair tech after already having invested in a templar's archives and (for a game that short) so many gates... Really odd if you ask me.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 04 2019 04:04 GMT
#209
On March 03 2019 20:59 Nyovne wrote:
Great last 2 games but FFFFFFFUUUUUUUAAAAAAAARRRRRRKKKKKKKKKKKK damned pvp finals. Hate that shit with a passion. Even prefer a zvz series with the hope for at least 1 lategame zvz in there somewhere ;P.


Huh? Rain v Last hasn't been played....
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
March 04 2019 07:47 GMT
#210
On March 04 2019 13:04 L_Master wrote:
Huh? Rain v Last hasn't been played....

Everyone just assumes Rain will steamroll Last and do the same to Mini; they don't seem to recall Sharp beat him in a convincing fashion TvP Bo5 and I would not say Last is worse than Sharp. Just like they expected Effort to do with Mini, I guess. I am not saying it's impossible for Rain to smash Last but he will to bring his absolute A game in order to do so.
But anyway - this is why the game is so enjoyable to me - to predict the outcome of uncertain events based on past performance is so shaky and unreliable.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 04 2019 08:09 GMT
#211
On March 04 2019 16:47 JoinTheRain wrote:
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On March 04 2019 13:04 L_Master wrote:
Huh? Rain v Last hasn't been played....

Everyone just assumes Rain will steamroll Last and do the same to Mini; they don't seem to recall Sharp beat him in a convincing fashion TvP Bo5 and I would not say Last is worse than Sharp. Just like they expected Effort to do with Mini, I guess. I am not saying it's impossible for Rain to smash Last but he will to bring his absolute A game in order to do so.
But anyway - this is why the game is so enjoyable to me - to predict the outcome of uncertain events based on past performance is so shaky and unreliable.


Yea, I'm not sure why anyone would expect a steamroll over Last. Last is clearly on paper the second best terran player and second best BW player behind Flash. Maybe his tournament results aren't quite as strong...but they are still very elite with many top 8s and 4s.

Sure, his wrist is giving him problems...but we just watched him get to the Ro4, last series over Sharp in a drawn out Bo5 of TvT....if his wrist was in ultra bad mode I can't imagine he would have gotten past Sharp. That could flare up and make the series a casual 3-0 for Rain. It could. But up until this point it's been good enough for Last to compete with top class players in this tour, including Sharp who is best in TvT.

Is Rain the favorite? Yea, definitely. But talking about this series like it's Rain v Tinkle or something is being silly.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
March 04 2019 08:46 GMT
#212
People are sleeping on mini. Don't count him out. He's playing mostly pvz, we don't know for sure what his form is for the other matchups.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 04 2019 14:06 GMT
#213
This series was just great. To the untrained eye, it'd feel like EffOrt underperformed and there's a possibility that he did in some games, but Mini played the series so well with the way he utilized his units to their best and varied up his style in each game. In game 1, we saw his fantastic zealot micro and a great opener that stunned EffOrt from the start. Game 2 saw the 4 gate speedlot +1 attack, and while EffOrt held the first wave, he was not prepared to hold future ones especially since he went mutas and Mini did a fantastic job of splitting the units up. Game 3 was great defense by EffOrt and then Mini fumbling in the trees so that the mutas closed in on the reavers (his last chance to do something since he almost mined out on 2 bases) then game 4 was a nice shuttle snipe from EffOrt, albeit a bit lucky when he got the first scourge hit. Only Larva seems to pull this stuff off consistently.

Best of all though, after almost having a breakdown as usual, Mini stayed calm and took a cool game 5 that saw dark templars slick through EffOrt's chances of victory. It wasn't even some kind of trick or anything, it was just Mini straight up outplaying EffOrt, much like Rain vs Action on Gladiator from ASL5 where Rain just destroyed Action. Mini was underestimated and EffOrt paid for it which is funny since Mini has been playing nothing, but ZvP this whole tournament and that surely made him a better ZvP player since he could focus on the one matchup. Mixing in different styles in each game too must've gotten into EffOrt's head in the sense that he had to keep wondering what Mini will throw at him. Granted, Mini was the underdog going into this but there was a chance for an upset and there it is! :D

"I'm gonna beat you with zealots" -> you certainly did Mini, you certainly did haha.

This result makes me so happy. EffOrt might be one of the best Zergs, but he's not someone that can be relied on to consistently make finals and win back to back championships. Of course, this is a better finish for him than any other tourneys except ASL6. However, only the best, aka Flash are allowed to win 3 ASLs in a row

On that note, Rain vs Last will be amazing to watch. I'd be nice to have a new ASL champion so I'm rooting for Last personally.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-04 15:48:57
March 04 2019 15:41 GMT
#214
On March 03 2019 21:49 arbiter_md wrote:
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On March 03 2019 21:38 Kaolla wrote:
On March 03 2019 21:23 xccam wrote:
On March 03 2019 21:06 Kaolla wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:59 goody153 wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:56 Jackal03 wrote:
my god, i can only hope last beats rain, else we're gonna have another shitty finals

mini is a beast and so is rain .. i would love any of them in the finals

but not together .. pvp is the least fun MU by a margin


Mini is a lucky guy and not quite a beast at all. I mean, he wins vs Calm who played like shit and today's Effort was also pretty poor... All wins today are pretty much early game wins and effort even scouts exactly what he's doing 2/3 losses and he still manages to fuck up badly. Just a poor series in general in my opinion or at least I definitely did not feel any of the games were really that good (except for maybe game 3, but Effort also played super sloppy in that imo)...

Surprisingly every time the unexpected player wins, it's "luck" rather than any skill...


Well maybe not really luck, but I mean any other (pro) protoss using the same builds would have won these games. I feel Mini just didn't do anything special really and it was mostly Effort that lost the games. So yea, I feel tonight's games were not that great at all and a 3-2 series isn't automatically a great series. I guess we don't all have to agree on that


Just think about it - we didn't see one storm today, in 5 PvZ games!


Yeah that's interesting to note. I was rooting for effort especially since he could stomp rain or last but damn Mini played very well and deserved the win. There's a good reason why larva voted for mini too I suppose.

I'm terrible at ZvP so I don't know, was effort's reaction to his scouting of mini's builds bad? (Eg game 5) Did mini outsmart him or did effort not play as well as he should have?

Bigfan, please just shut up about Flash already
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 04 2019 17:09 GMT
#215
On March 05 2019 00:41 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 21:49 arbiter_md wrote:
On March 03 2019 21:38 Kaolla wrote:
On March 03 2019 21:23 xccam wrote:
On March 03 2019 21:06 Kaolla wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:59 goody153 wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:56 Jackal03 wrote:
my god, i can only hope last beats rain, else we're gonna have another shitty finals

mini is a beast and so is rain .. i would love any of them in the finals

but not together .. pvp is the least fun MU by a margin


Mini is a lucky guy and not quite a beast at all. I mean, he wins vs Calm who played like shit and today's Effort was also pretty poor... All wins today are pretty much early game wins and effort even scouts exactly what he's doing 2/3 losses and he still manages to fuck up badly. Just a poor series in general in my opinion or at least I definitely did not feel any of the games were really that good (except for maybe game 3, but Effort also played super sloppy in that imo)...

Surprisingly every time the unexpected player wins, it's "luck" rather than any skill...


Well maybe not really luck, but I mean any other (pro) protoss using the same builds would have won these games. I feel Mini just didn't do anything special really and it was mostly Effort that lost the games. So yea, I feel tonight's games were not that great at all and a 3-2 series isn't automatically a great series. I guess we don't all have to agree on that


Just think about it - we didn't see one storm today, in 5 PvZ games!


Yeah that's interesting to note. I was rooting for effort especially since he could stomp rain or last but damn Mini played very well and deserved the win. There's a good reason why larva voted for mini too I suppose.

I'm terrible at ZvP so I don't know, was effort's reaction to his scouting of mini's builds bad? (Eg game 5) Did mini outsmart him or did effort not play as well as he should have?

Bigfan, please just shut up about Flash already

If you can't tell that was a joke, well, can't help you there then.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Moopower
Profile Joined May 2017
128 Posts
March 04 2019 19:40 GMT
#216
I'm glad Mini was able to overcome his emotions and use them to fuel his victory. Emotional players have great potential if they can harness the energy within!
RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
March 04 2019 21:02 GMT
#217
Remember when The Three New Protosses consisted of Stage Nerves Mini, Amateur Level PvZ Snow, and Underperforms on Stage Rain?

As is tradition (Three Kings, Neo-Three Kings, Six Dragons), a new Protoss era is marked by a group of Protosses reaching their peak simultaneously.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1710 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-04 21:14:53
March 04 2019 21:14 GMT
#218
I am adding salt to your dish BigFan. Some wound never heal, never...
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
March 04 2019 21:27 GMT
#219
On March 04 2019 13:04 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 20:59 Nyovne wrote:
Great last 2 games but FFFFFFFUUUUUUUAAAAAAAARRRRRRKKKKKKKKKKKK damned pvp finals. Hate that shit with a passion. Even prefer a zvz series with the hope for at least 1 lategame zvz in there somewhere ;P.


Huh? Rain v Last hasn't been played....



So many people dismissing Last because of his hurt wrists... Last is a beast, and though I will root for rain, he is far from eliminated yet.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
March 04 2019 21:43 GMT
#220
Unless it's Flash v X, top pro v top pro is never worse than 3:1 for an upset. Anyone who thinks this is a tremendously huge upset isn't paying attention to the scene. There were many people who acted like effort was guaranteed finals. Just like now there are many acting like Rain can't lose. They're just hiding their ignorance through faux confidence. Well played and well deserved to Mini.
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