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[ASL7] Semifinal A - Mini vs EffOrt - Page 9

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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19137 Posts
March 03 2019 11:59 GMT
#161
Great last 2 games but FFFFFFFUUUUUUUAAAAAAAARRRRRRKKKKKKKKKKKK damned pvp finals. Hate that shit with a passion. Even prefer a zvz series with the hope for at least 1 lategame zvz in there somewhere ;P.
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
March 03 2019 12:00 GMT
#162
On March 03 2019 20:59 PanoRaMa wrote:
Really wanted EffOrt in the finals, but he was fated to lose on the anniversary of the Revolution, the day an up and coming PvZ savant beat the #1 in the world.


why fated? is there a curse?
BW is back
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
March 03 2019 12:01 GMT
#163
03.03. is alive, man. Twelve years later winning the decider with sair/DT was just fitting.
WriterReV hwaiting!
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
March 03 2019 12:01 GMT
#164
if rain wins, the 3rd place match will be more interesting than the finals
BW is back
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-03 12:02:23
March 03 2019 12:01 GMT
#165
On March 03 2019 20:58 Dante08 wrote:
Effort tried to be too smart in the games he lost. Why keep going muta?


Because Z's are used to getting free wins by just going Mutas for such a long time, along with Z's not caring what P usually does in the matchup in terms of BO. It's hard to beat old habits.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3127 Posts
March 03 2019 12:03 GMT
#166
The Bisu revolution lives on during the anniversary. Crazy he pulls this off on this date.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
March 03 2019 12:04 GMT
#167
Oh god what, Effort played a really strange game. I think he made a lot of mutas this series that didn't do anything.
I'm wondering what Mini can do to prepare for this series because I've never been hugely impressed by his PvT or PvP.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
March 03 2019 12:05 GMT
#168
On March 03 2019 21:04 Wonk wrote:
I'm wondering what Mini can do to prepare for this series because I've never been hugely impressed by his PvT or PvP.


lol yeah its actually better if he faces rain instead of last, his pvt is his worst he can't lategame to snuff
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-03 12:12:27
March 03 2019 12:06 GMT
#169
On March 03 2019 20:59 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 20:56 Jackal03 wrote:
my god, i can only hope last beats rain, else we're gonna have another shitty finals

mini is a beast and so is rain .. i would love any of them in the finals

but not together .. pvp is the least fun MU by a margin


Mini is a lucky guy and not quite a beast at all. I mean, he wins vs Calm who played like shit and today's Effort was also pretty poor... All wins today are pretty much early game wins and effort even scouts exactly what he's doing 2/3 losses and he still manages to fuck up badly. Just a poor series in general in my opinion or at least I definitely did not feel any of the games were really that good (except for maybe game 3, but Effort also played super sloppy in that imo)...
its me
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
March 03 2019 12:06 GMT
#170
On March 03 2019 21:01 Jackal03 wrote:
if rain wins, the 3rd place match will be more interesting than the finals

I forgot that 3rd placer match is a thing on ASL.

Guess my ASL experience final series is still saved then even if Rain wins lol
this is a quote
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
March 03 2019 12:07 GMT
#171
Excellent games. Really good evening of Starcraft. Mini's emotion is infectious. It feels almost unprofessional but you can't help but feel for him and route for him to win.
TiQ.SinGi
Profile Joined December 2004
Norway385 Posts
March 03 2019 12:16 GMT
#172
Effort!!! Whyyyyyyyy :-( Really entertaining series though from a spectator perspective.. but I'm still so sad now T_T
“Approved attributes and their relation to face make every man his own jailer; this is a fundamental social constraint even though each man may like his cell.” -Goffman
xccam
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Great Britain1150 Posts
March 03 2019 12:23 GMT
#173
On March 03 2019 21:06 Kaolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 20:59 goody153 wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:56 Jackal03 wrote:
my god, i can only hope last beats rain, else we're gonna have another shitty finals

mini is a beast and so is rain .. i would love any of them in the finals

but not together .. pvp is the least fun MU by a margin


Mini is a lucky guy and not quite a beast at all. I mean, he wins vs Calm who played like shit and today's Effort was also pretty poor... All wins today are pretty much early game wins and effort even scouts exactly what he's doing 2/3 losses and he still manages to fuck up badly. Just a poor series in general in my opinion or at least I definitely did not feel any of the games were really that good (except for maybe game 3, but Effort also played super sloppy in that imo)...

Surprisingly every time the unexpected player wins, it's "luck" rather than any skill...
nikolaus8844
Profile Joined March 2019
112 Posts
March 03 2019 12:37 GMT
#174
Come on guys... Mini deserves every bit of that victory. Sure Effort is the better player, but he was clearly not taking Mini seriously enough. A bit cocky, a bit too lazy... all this talk of the past makes him look more like an old dog, while Mini his ambition on his side. You gotta love a guy that has some character... frail tho it might be. I always root for Effort, but today... he certainly didn't bring his A game, (unlike in the last finals where HE was the underdog).
As for a PvP finals... not so sure. I don't know why everyone's so certain that Rain will roll over Last. Last has a very solid mentality and can hold his own under pressure. Plus.... he's a lot more flexible and willing to switch it up depending on the occasion. I just LOVED IT when Snow and Calm rocked the boat in Ro16, and Last immediately adapted. Mannnnnnnnnnnnnn Soulkey was SO salty :D it made me feel all fuzzy and warm inside. Those two.. Soulkey and Rain - can't see any real character in them. Not a legend material That being said.. Rain is really solid PvT. Guess Last will take him down 3:2.
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
March 03 2019 12:38 GMT
#175
On March 03 2019 21:23 xccam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 21:06 Kaolla wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:59 goody153 wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:56 Jackal03 wrote:
my god, i can only hope last beats rain, else we're gonna have another shitty finals

mini is a beast and so is rain .. i would love any of them in the finals

but not together .. pvp is the least fun MU by a margin


Mini is a lucky guy and not quite a beast at all. I mean, he wins vs Calm who played like shit and today's Effort was also pretty poor... All wins today are pretty much early game wins and effort even scouts exactly what he's doing 2/3 losses and he still manages to fuck up badly. Just a poor series in general in my opinion or at least I definitely did not feel any of the games were really that good (except for maybe game 3, but Effort also played super sloppy in that imo)...

Surprisingly every time the unexpected player wins, it's "luck" rather than any skill...


Well maybe not really luck, but I mean any other (pro) protoss using the same builds would have won these games. I feel Mini just didn't do anything special really and it was mostly Effort that lost the games. So yea, I feel tonight's games were not that great at all and a 3-2 series isn't automatically a great series. I guess we don't all have to agree on that
its me
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
March 03 2019 12:43 GMT
#176
Yeah, Mini played well, even rising above tilting. Effort was fell to mindgames? Pretty sure it was more Mini being crafty than Effort playing bad.
it's not just a music it's something else
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
March 03 2019 12:49 GMT
#177
On March 03 2019 21:38 Kaolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 21:23 xccam wrote:
On March 03 2019 21:06 Kaolla wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:59 goody153 wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:56 Jackal03 wrote:
my god, i can only hope last beats rain, else we're gonna have another shitty finals

mini is a beast and so is rain .. i would love any of them in the finals

but not together .. pvp is the least fun MU by a margin


Mini is a lucky guy and not quite a beast at all. I mean, he wins vs Calm who played like shit and today's Effort was also pretty poor... All wins today are pretty much early game wins and effort even scouts exactly what he's doing 2/3 losses and he still manages to fuck up badly. Just a poor series in general in my opinion or at least I definitely did not feel any of the games were really that good (except for maybe game 3, but Effort also played super sloppy in that imo)...

Surprisingly every time the unexpected player wins, it's "luck" rather than any skill...


Well maybe not really luck, but I mean any other (pro) protoss using the same builds would have won these games. I feel Mini just didn't do anything special really and it was mostly Effort that lost the games. So yea, I feel tonight's games were not that great at all and a 3-2 series isn't automatically a great series. I guess we don't all have to agree on that


I saw it the opposite way. Mini had great micro and decision making today. Also great preparation. I was tired already of seeing protosses losing corsairs again muta/scourge, and today Mini had great micro with his corsairs. Not to mention his zealot+probe micro. And the overall decision making was great, no pointless engagements where he would lose the whole army for nothing, as we again, see so many times protosses doing.
The preparation was on point too, think about the pylon in the first game, and the not-so-standard builds he prepared in general. That's how you approach Bo5. Just think about it - we didn't see one storm today, in 5 PvZ games!
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
March 03 2019 12:54 GMT
#178
Effort really is kind of inconsistent.
At his best he's maybe stronger than anyone but he is just as likely to upset himself like he did today.

I hope Last's wrists won't hurt this week so he could eventually win his well deserved ASL! Rain is so scary tho.
rackdude
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States882 Posts
March 03 2019 12:59 GMT
#179
On March 03 2019 21:06 Kaolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 20:59 goody153 wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:56 Jackal03 wrote:
my god, i can only hope last beats rain, else we're gonna have another shitty finals

mini is a beast and so is rain .. i would love any of them in the finals

but not together .. pvp is the least fun MU by a margin


Mini is a lucky guy and not quite a beast at all. I mean, he wins vs Calm who played like shit and today's Effort was also pretty poor... All wins today are pretty much early game wins and effort even scouts exactly what he's doing 2/3 losses and he still manages to fuck up badly. Just a poor series in general in my opinion or at least I definitely did not feel any of the games were really that good (except for maybe game 3, but Effort also played super sloppy in that imo)...


Yes, every single one of the best players in the world always tends to play like shit against Mini because he's super lucky, every single time, and he's not causing it? That makes sense...

See, the thing with Mini is he plays a great micro game. He's always getting just a few more drones and lings out of his zealots. Every single time. We can chalk that up to Mini since it's so consistent. And this changes the dynamic of the game, because now the Z will have less and have to deal with the possibility of aggression (building more units and less drones), which makes the Z look like their macro is off and making bad choices (locked into units because they were built early). But Mini's aggro play is causing the game to look like this, so he gets "lucky" every time he chooses to be lucky.
Sweet.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
March 03 2019 13:02 GMT
#180
just realised mini has only played pvz for the entirety of this tourney so far, including his wildcard seed match against action. being able to concentrate on only 1 type of matchup must be pretty comforting too.
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