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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 15:29:06
October 28 2018 15:27 GMT
#821
On October 29 2018 00:24 Ej_ wrote:
Can we make a fundraiser to have Yanokabo talk with FlaSh about the series and have the former review the games and point out the latter's mistakes and how to improve in those areas?


Hold on, Yanokabo is just a little noob, we are still waiting for BigFan to wake up to watch the games, get mad and start criticising Flash like he had done with Last
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
October 28 2018 15:33 GMT
#822
OOOO !! MANY BALLOONS !!!
Can someone please tell me how much money it means !?!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
October 28 2018 15:39 GMT
#823
On October 29 2018 00:33 prosatan wrote:
OOOO !! MANY BALLOONS !!!
Can someone please tell me how much money it means !?!


He got roughly half the championship prize pool in terms of balloons received today, breaking his record for the most balloons received within a single day.
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3173 Posts
October 28 2018 15:54 GMT
#824
3-2 as predicted. Congrats to EffOrt on the great win. I wonder how much longer Flash is going to keep using 1-1-1.
Artosis loves Starcraft
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
October 28 2018 16:13 GMT
#825
Now i watch again effort stream !
he is rewatching his games on JD youtube channel
and it seems he has received 157k + balloons omg !!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
October 28 2018 16:15 GMT
#826
Effort looks like the new ZvT master like Savior and Luxury used to be. No small feat to beat Last and Flash.
lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
591 Posts
October 28 2018 16:25 GMT
#827
On October 29 2018 01:13 prosatan wrote:
Now i watch again effort stream !
he is rewatching his games on JD youtube channel
and it seems he has received 157k + balloons omg !!

how are the balloons compared to real money?
So... BW is back
WiMa11
Profile Joined September 2017
38 Posts
October 28 2018 16:29 GMT
#828
100 Balloons equal 10 USD
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3711 Posts
October 28 2018 16:29 GMT
#829
I know I am kinda late to the party, but damn am I happy as someone who has been cheering on Efforts through all his Ro16 chokes:

JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 16:52:39
October 28 2018 16:35 GMT
#830
^ LOL man

edit: Never mind it was just effort watching Jaedong's video on youtube
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orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
October 28 2018 16:40 GMT
#831
Effort always had Flash's number, it's just that he often gets eliminated too early on to get a championship crack against God.

GG WP!!! Best thing to happen to the SC:R pro scene. Flash always winning is boring!
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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 16:53:05
October 28 2018 16:52 GMT
#832
On October 29 2018 01:35 JieXian wrote:
^ LOL man

Effort is watching the games now with JD, wish I understood what they are saying... It appears to me like JD might be watching the games for the first time? Such insolence if were true!

I wish somebody translated this. We are missing so much lore due to the language barrier.
Just Flash commentaries alone were golden the last time we had a translation.
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1777 Posts
October 28 2018 17:08 GMT
#833
On October 29 2018 01:15 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Effort looks like the new ZvT master like Savior and Luxury used to be. No small feat to beat Last and Flash.


Effort won games with semi cheese builds and savior won in outplaying his opponent
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
October 28 2018 17:21 GMT
#834
Loving the fact that Flash lost the series 3-2 but it is still pretty evident that nobody can beat Flash in a straight macro game in tournaments. Effort won with those because of timed build order counters and certainly Flash didn't expect it especially against his patented 1-1-1.

But as long as Flash is not winning every year, I'm content.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Jaeyun
Profile Joined June 2017
United States202 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 17:23:05
October 28 2018 17:21 GMT
#835
On October 29 2018 02:08 KameZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2018 01:15 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Effort looks like the new ZvT master like Savior and Luxury used to be. No small feat to beat Last and Flash.


Effort won games with semi cheese builds and savior won in outplaying his opponent


True, but with the current TvZ meta, these builds lend themselves to be punished, and Effort is doing just that. For example, if a P opens nexus vs. T, and T reacts by throwing SCVs and a bunker rush - is that considered being cheesy, or just punishing a greedy build that really shouldn't be happening? It's the same concept.

I was watching the finals on Larva/Brittany's stream - Flash's most hated build to play against was exactly what Effort did on Autobahn, because even if you know lings are coming, there are so many and you don't have speed on the vultures at that time. There's a price to pay if you're going to be teching like crazy and expanding like that with 1-1-1.
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JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
October 28 2018 17:31 GMT
#836
Effort, wow, so impressive! To beat Flash in a ASL finals in a Bo5 in the current map-pool, sick feat! So refreshing playstyle, just amazing. I was grinning through almost all of the series.
Thank you, Afreeca for making this happen. And the casters - awesome job there! This was a treat!
The subject-matter of the art of living is each person's own life.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 17:48:07
October 28 2018 17:47 GMT
#837
a best of five will never satisfy me again

On October 29 2018 02:31 JoinTheRain wrote:
Effort, wow, so impressive! To beat Flash in a ASL finals in a Bo5 in the current map-pool, sick feat! So refreshing playstyle, just amazing. I was grinning through almost all of the series.
Thank you, Afreeca for making this happen. And the casters - awesome job there! This was a treat!



i echo all of these sentiments
get rich or die mining
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8714 Posts
October 28 2018 17:50 GMT
#838
On October 29 2018 02:21 Jaeyun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2018 02:08 KameZerg wrote:
On October 29 2018 01:15 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Effort looks like the new ZvT master like Savior and Luxury used to be. No small feat to beat Last and Flash.


Effort won games with semi cheese builds and savior won in outplaying his opponent


True, but with the current TvZ meta, these builds lend themselves to be punished, and Effort is doing just that. For example, if a P opens nexus vs. T, and T reacts by throwing SCVs and a bunker rush - is that considered being cheesy, or just punishing a greedy build that really shouldn't be happening? It's the same concept.

I was watching the finals on Larva/Brittany's stream - Flash's most hated build to play against was exactly what Effort did on Autobahn, because even if you know lings are coming, there are so many and you don't have speed on the vultures at that time. There's a price to pay if you're going to be teching like crazy and expanding like that with 1-1-1.


I honestly really like Effort's burrow build. It's creative, it's effective and it's not a hard all-in just a very solid counter. Comparing him to Savior is not the comparison I would draw. Savior's playstyle was the exact opposite. Low apm, macro intensive and very strategic. Effort is on high apm, very aggressive and relies on execution and micro. I feel like Effort's playstyle is more volatile.
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1170 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 18:30:37
October 28 2018 18:06 GMT
#839
Can't believe I missed this live, for some reason I thought it was at a different time.

Seems like everyone came out happy after this final. We got a full Bo5, BW's competition is revitalised showing that Flash is indeed beatable, and even Flash himself was smiling so much after his loss that it's actually kinda scary how well he took it.

Rapid definitely stepped up his game for the final. Less blind assumptions/"filler" talk compared to when he casted with Artosis - very good effort to call out the bulids and echoing what the observer was showing. NoRegret did his job to keep Rapid on track and even though he's an SC2 guy, he can still sense shifts in the game and point out stuff Rapid missed. I thought it was a little touching that Rapid mentioned watching the KA S1 OSL final and never thinking he'd be casting the very same matchup 8 years later. You can't not admire a nerd fulfilling his dreams. We're all living vicariously through him in that regard.

I hope ASL continues to host good tournaments. I think it's still considerably better than KSL from the production value alone, though I can't complain about having more BW regardless.
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RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
October 28 2018 18:13 GMT
#840
On October 29 2018 02:21 Disregard wrote:
Loving the fact that Flash lost the series 3-2 but it is still pretty evident that nobody can beat Flash in a straight macro game in tournaments. Effort won with those because of timed build order counters and certainly Flash didn't expect it especially against his patented 1-1-1.

But as long as Flash is not winning every year, I'm content.


That's like saying nobody can beat Jaedong in a macro game. Flash won those finals because of cheese.
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