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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 28 2018 07:39 GMT
#341
Thought Flash was gonna die to the lings. I'm watching a slideshow here, and it looked so grim, with lings in his base, almost no units and a stream of reinforcements coming across the map. Once he held and stabilized Effort didn't stand a chance though.
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CoL_DarkstaR
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany649 Posts
October 28 2018 07:39 GMT
#342
tbh it was kind of bad of Effort to have not a single muta to try and snipe the 4-5 1hp vessels after the first plague. He was going for this strategy anyways
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 28 2018 07:40 GMT
#343
On October 28 2018 16:39 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
tbh it was kind of bad of Effort to have not a single muta to try and snipe the 4-5 1hp vessels after the first plague. He was going for this strategy anyways

Agreed, he really needed to snipe some vessels.
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
October 28 2018 07:40 GMT
#344
It's probably really dope to speak Korean and watch Jaedong's stream.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4150 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 07:42:58
October 28 2018 07:41 GMT
#345
On October 28 2018 16:38 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 16:36 M2 wrote:
Looked like effort out-strated himself with the hydra&plague moves, there are stable ways to deal with m&ms + vessels that are known and work pretty fine and he was in a position to do them, what was the hydras point anyway


its very very very late to get those ultras. The best route was to go hydras at that timing so at least plague + hydras can fend off vessel heavy army.

no, what I meant is that at this stage of the game he should have go for lings+lurkers+scourges + swarm and put all his gas resources in the lurkers+scourges, while minerals into lings which gives him way better army composition to deal with m&ms and he would have enough gas for scourges to snipe vesseles, putting his resources into 1/1 (2/2 on the way) hydras was a waste for effort
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Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1966 Posts
October 28 2018 07:41 GMT
#346
I didn't realize that was a full all in. I thought he just made a lot more lings than usual to do damage. I guess he didn't really get many SCVs or vultures and lost a lot of lings.
DJONES
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States218 Posts
October 28 2018 07:42 GMT
#347
GG. I feel like Effort had that game but made a few costly blunders. He should have either: A. Dropped down a super early 3rd as he was doing damage with his speedlings, or B. Gone all in hydras or something and tried to kill Flash then. Big mistake letting a Terran re-power off 2 CCs.

Also I think if he had just sacrificed his 4th and defended the ramp to his 3rd he would have been ok.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10367 Posts
October 28 2018 07:42 GMT
#348
quick TLDR of what happened i totally forgot this was tonight. What's going on.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 28 2018 07:42 GMT
#349
FlaSh legit looks bored AF.
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CoL_DarkstaR
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany649 Posts
October 28 2018 07:42 GMT
#350
On October 28 2018 16:41 Just_a_Moth wrote:
I didn't realize that was a full all in. I thought he just made a lot more lings than usual to do damage. I guess he didn't really get many SCVs or vultures and lost a lot of lings.


The ling opening was great, it was the botched muta attack that made him fall back again...
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
October 28 2018 07:44 GMT
#351
Go Flash!
Flash returns...
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 28 2018 07:44 GMT
#352
the worker count for both players after the ling atack was probably even, given how many scvs effort killed.

well won game by flash
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 07:44:56
October 28 2018 07:44 GMT
#353
On October 28 2018 16:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
quick TLDR of what happened i totally forgot this was tonight. What's going on.


1) Mass ling rush vs 1-1-1 killed Flash
2) 2 rax all-in killed Effort even though it was scouted
3) Mass ling rush vs fast gas -> factory did some damage but failed, from there Effort was behind and Flash won with m&m + vessels with great vessel play.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8639 Posts
October 28 2018 07:45 GMT
#354
On October 28 2018 16:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
quick TLDR of what happened i totally forgot this was tonight. What's going on.

Flash 2-1
effort takes first game with lings
flash takes game 2 with a m&m push
third game was longer ,effort 4th base was sniped and the his 3rd ; flash had many science vessels and irradiate all units
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Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1966 Posts
October 28 2018 07:45 GMT
#355
On October 28 2018 16:42 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 16:41 Just_a_Moth wrote:
I didn't realize that was a full all in. I thought he just made a lot more lings than usual to do damage. I guess he didn't really get many SCVs or vultures and lost a lot of lings.


The ling opening was great, it was the botched muta attack that made him fall back again...

Oh yeah. i forgot about him losing hose 9 or so mutas for some damage on the ebay.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
October 28 2018 07:46 GMT
#356
On October 28 2018 16:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
quick TLDR of what happened i totally forgot this was tonight. What's going on.

Two very quick games, first game Flash loses to early speed lings, second game effort looses to a 2rax pushout.

Third game, Effort goes 3hatch before pool then masses lings with speed and burrow, lots of sheenanigans, turns into macro game but efforts economy isn't that great, and he throws all his mutas away, Flash masses science vessels and kills effort who can't keep up with replacing his units he loses to irradiate. very good game tho
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8639 Posts
October 28 2018 07:46 GMT
#357
13-0 pro players call flash to win here , on this map
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johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2232 Posts
October 28 2018 07:46 GMT
#358
On October 28 2018 16:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
quick TLDR of what happened i totally forgot this was tonight. What's going on.

1st effort speed rush kills 11cc1
2nd flash 1base 2racks rush kills 2hatch muta
3rd 3hatch before pool, mass lings, flash godly defense, mass vessel wins
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
October 28 2018 07:46 GMT
#359
On October 28 2018 16:41 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 16:38 Shinokuki wrote:
On October 28 2018 16:36 M2 wrote:
Looked like effort out-strated himself with the hydra&plague moves, there are stable ways to deal with m&ms + vessels that are known and work pretty fine and he was in a position to do them, what was the hydras point anyway


its very very very late to get those ultras. The best route was to go hydras at that timing so at least plague + hydras can fend off vessel heavy army.

no, what I meant is that at this stage of the game he should have go for lings+lurkers+scourges + swarm and put all his gas resources in the lurkers+scourges, while minerals into lings which gives him way better army composition to deal with m&ms and he would have enough gas for scourges to snipe vesseles, putting his resources into 1/1 (2/2 on the way) hydras was a waste for effort


no no. It's hard to snipe with scourages. Many zergs have been going hydra lurker spore plague route vs SK lately.
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TonDan
Profile Joined May 2018
65 Posts
October 28 2018 07:47 GMT
#360
i feel like just about anyone on teamliquid would be better casters than these 2

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