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[ASL6] Grand Finals - Flash vs EffOrt - Page 17

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hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 28 2018 07:34 GMT
#321
best game of asl hands down.

what a hold by flash.

the vulture micro against those speedlings was soooooooo good
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Levque
Profile Joined October 2016
88 Posts
October 28 2018 07:34 GMT
#322
He seemed to be going for a weird plague+hydra strategy
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18762 Posts
October 28 2018 07:34 GMT
#323
Wow neither effort and flash have aged well... They are still in their 20s arent they?
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8714 Posts
October 28 2018 07:34 GMT
#324
Hm, I'm not too sold on the hydras+plague strat. Flash just repaired the vessels...
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
October 28 2018 07:35 GMT
#325
The way effOrt held that first attack on the third with an irradiated muta was so pimp.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2975 Posts
October 28 2018 07:35 GMT
#326
Kept looking at the supply at the later part of that game. Effort was basically hanging on with the skin of his teeth only due to those defilers to ward of Flash for as long as it did.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
October 28 2018 07:35 GMT
#327
the lings were mostly good, the bad part was donating all his mutas for minimal damage.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
October 28 2018 07:35 GMT
#328
On October 28 2018 16:34 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 16:32 Dante08 wrote:
Flash is so good any other Terran would have died there 100%

Wasn't the 3 hatch a very good sign that a zergling push could happen? I was a bit surprised he almost died to it while having scouted it.


No, 3 hatch is the most standard ZvT build, but usually the spawning pool comes out after the 3rd hatch... But with a 1-1-1 it's not really possible to punish 3 hatch before pool.
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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
October 28 2018 07:35 GMT
#329
Flash was really good about sending his vessels home to repair them whenever they got plagued. Most terrans seem to just let them all die to 1 muta lol
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Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 07:38:39
October 28 2018 07:36 GMT
#330
effort wins style points there but damn if flash isn't a terrifying player. That was so many science vessels. I wish he'd done more to keep their numbers low, either pump more scourge or a muta or two to hit the plagued ones. Also I think it would have been better to let flash build the 4th and have enough lurkers back home to stop flash killing his 4th while expanding to the top or something. Also- losing his mutas at the beginning for nothing didn't help
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
October 28 2018 07:36 GMT
#331
Looked like effort out-strated himself with the hydra&plague moves, there are stable ways to deal with m&ms + vessels that are known and work pretty fine and he was in a position to do them, what was the hydras point anyway
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radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
October 28 2018 07:36 GMT
#332
Seems effort all-ining Flash with lings is his only shot...
Flash returns...
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 28 2018 07:36 GMT
#333
On October 28 2018 16:35 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 16:34 HolydaKing wrote:
On October 28 2018 16:32 Dante08 wrote:
Flash is so good any other Terran would have died there 100%

Wasn't the 3 hatch a very good sign that a zergling push could happen? I was a bit surprised he almost died to it while having scouted it.


No, 3 hatch is the most standard ZvT build, but usually the spawning pool comes out after the 3rd hatch... But with a 1-1-1 it's not really possible to punish 3 hatch before pool.

Yeah sure, I know that much. I meant that order of course.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
October 28 2018 07:36 GMT
#334
On October 28 2018 16:34 sharkie wrote:
Wow neither effort and flash have aged well... They are still in their 20s arent they?

yes , why ?
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Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States928 Posts
October 28 2018 07:37 GMT
#335
On October 28 2018 16:33 Just_a_Moth wrote:
ZvT looks hard. Felt like Effort outplayed Flash more most of that game, but Flash built a lot of science vessels, and irradiate is good against everything zerg has so...


it's mind blowingly hard to manage your vessels. That was insane from flash my goodness. The way he managed those vessels
Life is just life
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4201 Posts
October 28 2018 07:37 GMT
#336
On October 28 2018 16:33 Just_a_Moth wrote:
ZvT looks hard. Felt like Effort outplayed Flash more most of that game, but Flash built a lot of science vessels, and irradiate is good against everything zerg has so...


Yeah ZvT is very hard but don't forgot Effort was on low econ for pretty much the entire game.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 28 2018 07:38 GMT
#337
On October 28 2018 16:33 letian wrote:
Effort throwing a won game, nice.


What? In what way was that game "won". EffOrt fought well for being a bad position, but it was almost always a solid spot from FlaSh. FlaSh had 2 vessel with irradiate out for his six muta and EffOrt already wasn't in a great spot eco wise.

Was a nice hold from EffOrt at the the third that really suprised me, but FlaSh was still fine and came out a little while later with 5 vessels and 2 tanks when EffOrt was just getting defilers and only had a handful of lurks. That's a terrifying position to be in as zerg, 3/4 lurkers and a defiler or two against five vessels. Eventually against a player like FlaSh you're going to make a mistake and have one to many things be irradiated which is exactly what happened.

EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States928 Posts
October 28 2018 07:38 GMT
#338
On October 28 2018 16:36 M2 wrote:
Looked like effort out-strated himself with the hydra&plague moves, there are stable ways to deal with m&ms + vessels that are known and work pretty fine and he was in a position to do them, what was the hydras point anyway


its very very very late to get those ultras. The best route was to go hydras at that timing so at least plague + hydras can fend off vessel heavy army.
Life is just life
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
October 28 2018 07:38 GMT
#339
On October 28 2018 16:37 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 16:33 Just_a_Moth wrote:
ZvT looks hard. Felt like Effort outplayed Flash more most of that game, but Flash built a lot of science vessels, and irradiate is good against everything zerg has so...


Yeah ZvT is very hard but don't forgot Effort was on low econ for pretty much the entire game.


turns out building lings instead of drones is bad for your income
maru G5L pls
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
October 28 2018 07:38 GMT
#340
Flash with the Fukushima Terran playstyle lol.

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