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On October 23 2018 05:01 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2018 04:23 Miragee wrote:On October 23 2018 03:15 BigFan wrote:
^ Yep, people really need to read the reddit post because it wasn't so much Jaedong messing it up, but rather Flash sniping that drone so many times.
Am I the only one who thoughts the series was ok? Game 5 was the most impressive out of all of them, mostly with the burrow play. Last should've anticipated that EffOrt would try to pull him out with the zerglings, and had a better defense at the front, but the burrow play would've given him headaches regardless. His multitasking failed him hard too though that's partly due to EffOrt having nice burrow lings spread in the main, and making him use up scans.
This series confirmed to me that Last can play the 1-1-1 really well, especially when he can scout what's going on. This is evident by the fact that he blocked it 2/3 games. The one game he lost was the one where he saw the lings too late, aka at his front, then lost his first vulture and got overwhelmed. Game 3 to me was good at the start until Last got impatient and lost his army outside EffOrt's third. He was too eager to go up that ramp, understandably so, but the game was EffOrt's from that point on, especially seeing that Last's SK Terran control is terrible, and that the lurker drop really denied mining for a while. Then you had times where Last would leave his medics apart from his marines, and he got them picked off for free, or the time where he dropped the fourth and sat in a swarm losing his units to several lings. Or what about the third base? Decides to build a third, but doesn't even have any marines or anything on the high ground to at least spot or try to intercept so he loses it right before it finishes. Suffice to say, Last's play in game 3 was full of holes and terrible past x minutes so it's no wonder that someone like EffOrt creamed him in that game.
Congrats to EffOrt for winning the series, but Last had problems in his games. Maybe he was getting tilted in game 3 because his mistakes were too severe for someone who beat both Jaedong, and Soulkey, players that I would rate higher than EffOrt in certain instances, quite convincingly. Nah, the series was pretty cool. Game 3 and 5 were great. Game 2 was good. Game 1 and 4 were pretty shit but oh well. We'll have to agree to disagree then. I was facepalming throughout game 3. It was pretty clear that Last was not prepared for EffOrt's style of play. Sad, but it's the reality of the situation. Hopefully he prepares better next time.
Well, it's pretty hard for a terran to get map control back if you lost it once. Considering that I think Last did pretty well and he had the right ideas. Effort reacted damn well though and never handed the game back to Last.
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On October 23 2018 05:19 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2018 05:01 BigFan wrote:On October 23 2018 04:23 Miragee wrote:On October 23 2018 03:15 BigFan wrote:
^ Yep, people really need to read the reddit post because it wasn't so much Jaedong messing it up, but rather Flash sniping that drone so many times.
Am I the only one who thoughts the series was ok? Game 5 was the most impressive out of all of them, mostly with the burrow play. Last should've anticipated that EffOrt would try to pull him out with the zerglings, and had a better defense at the front, but the burrow play would've given him headaches regardless. His multitasking failed him hard too though that's partly due to EffOrt having nice burrow lings spread in the main, and making him use up scans.
This series confirmed to me that Last can play the 1-1-1 really well, especially when he can scout what's going on. This is evident by the fact that he blocked it 2/3 games. The one game he lost was the one where he saw the lings too late, aka at his front, then lost his first vulture and got overwhelmed. Game 3 to me was good at the start until Last got impatient and lost his army outside EffOrt's third. He was too eager to go up that ramp, understandably so, but the game was EffOrt's from that point on, especially seeing that Last's SK Terran control is terrible, and that the lurker drop really denied mining for a while. Then you had times where Last would leave his medics apart from his marines, and he got them picked off for free, or the time where he dropped the fourth and sat in a swarm losing his units to several lings. Or what about the third base? Decides to build a third, but doesn't even have any marines or anything on the high ground to at least spot or try to intercept so he loses it right before it finishes. Suffice to say, Last's play in game 3 was full of holes and terrible past x minutes so it's no wonder that someone like EffOrt creamed him in that game.
Congrats to EffOrt for winning the series, but Last had problems in his games. Maybe he was getting tilted in game 3 because his mistakes were too severe for someone who beat both Jaedong, and Soulkey, players that I would rate higher than EffOrt in certain instances, quite convincingly. Nah, the series was pretty cool. Game 3 and 5 were great. Game 2 was good. Game 1 and 4 were pretty shit but oh well. We'll have to agree to disagree then. I was facepalming throughout game 3. It was pretty clear that Last was not prepared for EffOrt's style of play. Sad, but it's the reality of the situation. Hopefully he prepares better next time. Well, it's pretty hard for a terran to get map control back if you lost it once. Considering that I think Last did pretty well and he had the right ideas. Effort reacted damn well though and never handed the game back to Last.
No one is saying it was easy, but from my perspective, Last was not prepared at all and flattered in that game after he lost that first army. I won't say much more, just rewatch the game and pay attention to Last's army, camera, macro, and movement overall then you'll understand what I mean.
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This series was so awesome. I can't believe that Effort won against alphago. But it is also disheartening that it takes this level of creativity and aggressiveness to kill the best terrans going 1-1-1. This kind of stuff, though amazing to watch when it works, is really not reproducible and won't cut it in the long run.
Well, basically this:
On October 22 2018 23:03 Dazed. wrote:
the fact that tvz has turned into essentially nothing but ling and hydra busts or the zerg leaves, and when the game does go macro its the same 3 hatch build developed by savior 13 years ago is...concerning.
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On October 23 2018 03:15 BigFan wrote:
^ Yep, people really need to read the reddit post because it wasn't so much Jaedong messing it up, but rather Flash sniping that drone so many times.
Am I the only one who thoughts the series was ok? Game 5 was the most impressive out of all of them, mostly with the burrow play. Last should've anticipated that EffOrt would try to pull him out with the zerglings, and had a better defense at the front, but the burrow play would've given him headaches regardless. His multitasking failed him hard too though that's partly due to EffOrt having nice burrow lings spread in the main, and making him use up scans.
This series confirmed to me that Last can play the 1-1-1 really well, especially when he can scout what's going on. This is evident by the fact that he blocked it 2/3 games. The one game he lost was the one where he saw the lings too late, aka at his front, then lost his first vulture and got overwhelmed. Game 3 to me was good at the start until Last got impatient and lost his army outside EffOrt's third. He was too eager to go up that ramp, understandably so, but the game was EffOrt's from that point on, especially seeing that Last's SK Terran control is terrible, and that the lurker drop really denied mining for a while. Then you had times where Last would leave his medics apart from his marines, and he got them picked off for free, or the time where he dropped the fourth and sat in a swarm losing his units to several lings. Or what about the third base? Decides to build a third, but doesn't even have any marines or anything on the high ground to at least spot or try to intercept so he loses it right before it finishes. Suffice to say, Last's play in game 3 was full of holes and terrible past x minutes so it's no wonder that someone like EffOrt creamed him in that game.
Congrats to EffOrt for winning the series, but Last had problems in his games. Maybe he was getting tilted in game 3 because his mistakes were too severe for someone who beat both Jaedong, and Soulkey, players that I would rate higher than EffOrt in certain instances, quite convincingly.
I think you're the only one, games 2 and 5 were so well good played by Effort.
For Game 3, Last has a good reason to want to to get into Effort's third before lurkers get there.
Later on, perhaps there's a reason why he didn't sit an army at his third to defend it. Perhaps he had to take a risk given how far behind he was and hoped that he could pressure Effort and get something done. If he were to split his army up he might not be able to put an pressure and would've lost anyway.
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just watched first four games, up to game 3 amazing games. Then Effort big choke in game 4, im expecting the same and Last advancing to the finals after game 5. What did effort do in game 4 that is so wrong, he was over obsessed with killing a bunker which is exactly the worst trade he can do and having in mind he is the one with the weak economy. That was just making the game worst and worst for him, while doing ling runby into main is way easer and effecient option...
Man, cant be more happy to be wrong with such great games. What we saw today is surely a huge step to another meta change. Looks like the popular Terran 1-1-1 build, gives free room for zerg to use different tech and experiment too, which lead to such outstanding games. Shuttle old school play with archons, zealot pushes and agression brings back bw to its glory days in my eyes. Shittle revived the Protoss true spirit in PvZ and now Effort brining the flexible low econ zerg from the past. Great days for starcraft guys!
Btw thats looking like the Effort who took Flash 3-2 after 0-2 at Korean air OSL finals, havent watched flash vs shuttle but i imagine who is the winner of the series.
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