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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50643 Posts
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Wonk
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Hard to choose but I'm going with my gut, Last 1st and Best 2nd | ||
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TornadoSteve
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
Just need Last will come to Ro8 in this group. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50643 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24593 Posts
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rotta
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Shield all your fears, release all your fury. Shine, shine on, through the darkness and the pain. Shine, shine on, Warrior. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24593 Posts
On October 02 2018 19:21 rotta wrote: Shine on, shine on, in all of your glory. Shield all your fears, release all your fury. Shine, shine on, through the darkness and the pain. Shine, shine on, Warrior. haha, brilliant | ||
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
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prosatan
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prosatan
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Heartland
Sweden24593 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
Shine on two bases because of a dt | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24593 Posts
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rotta
5602 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
On October 02 2018 19:28 Heartland wrote: Wait, what is happening? Mini is still in the game , but it is tough | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24593 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
Also , storm is almost ready | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24593 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
GG !! Good comeback by Mini! Congrats ! | ||
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thezanursic
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50643 Posts
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rotta
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Motivate
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
Best PvT player vs Second Best TvP player | ||
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
Tactical strikes managed to outwit an all in. God i love this game, there was literally 4 different fights happening at once when shine went for the initial bust | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
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Delial1986
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
Since that interview with Flash and his "bag of builds".... | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50643 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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Motivate
2860 Posts
best so greedy | ||
TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
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Motivate
2860 Posts
edit: nice hold by mini | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
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CakeSauc3
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50643 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
definitely a cut above the rest | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3129 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
WHAT TRICK SHINE HAD ? | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50643 Posts
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
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KarlHungus1908
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NoS-Craig
Australia3129 Posts
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Motivate
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
Tastosis sound tired & burned out. | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
Because during the big attack on the third Zerg was like 20 pop behind and still everyone was acting like so many hydra should crush best | ||
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
Crushing defeats for Shine though, in both games he had a solid grasp to win. But there was something missing in him, be it being distracted, or losing his killer instinct or even a simple as failing to multitask. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
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Wonk
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NoS-Craig
Australia3129 Posts
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On October 02 2018 20:44 Philozovic wrote: In BW Zerg is supposed to be behind in pop ? Because during the big attack on the third Zerg was like 20 pop behind and still everyone was acting like so many hydra should crush best Yeah, it's very normal for Zerg to have lower supply when facing the other races. When they catch up in supply, it can mean big trouble for their opponent. And a maxed out Zerg is terrifying. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8546 Posts
Well , at least my LB is safe | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50643 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3129 Posts
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
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Wonk
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chongu
Malaysia2593 Posts
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Ayjayzee
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NoS-Craig
Australia3129 Posts
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
Is that true? | ||
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Miragee
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On October 02 2018 21:09 Ayjayzee wrote: I hate seeing games like that. Tastosis were praising Best for being super passive, which is ridiculous when you're at an economic disadvantage. You've gotta take some risks when you're behind. I'd rather he went for a really early third and died to a Terran push than to just give up and play standard from behind. Well, he never stood a chance after that opening. If Terran doesn't make a big mistake, Protoss literally can't win. Knowing Best's capability to macro, I don't mind him being passive. The best thing that could have happened to Best was Last just macroing as well. Last didn't though. He played safe against all harass and pushed out aggressively. Not much Best could have done. Look at Game 4 if you want to see how a game like that looks like if the opponent is just a shitty macro player in comparison. Shine was even more ahead of Best than Last was in Game 5. Yet Shine massively failed all his attacks and especially his upgrades. I mean, I still understand his strategy. Be on 4 bases and don't tech to T3 nor go double evo? | ||
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EndingLife
United States1599 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4141 Posts
On October 02 2018 21:28 TaardadAiel wrote: Maybe I gathered that wrong, but I thought the elimination stage was drawn instead of predetermined? A first place player faces any of the other 3 second-placers? Can someone clarify since during the interview with Last the girl said he's likely to face Flash. Is that true? its true | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
Thank you. So we have Rain vs Effort and Shuttle vs Sharp for sure... and possibly Mini/JD and Last/Flash (that's, at least for me, the most likely outcome). Man, I can't wait for Ro8. | ||
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Moopower
128 Posts
On October 02 2018 21:08 chongu wrote: Unfortunate that Best had no way of coming back into the game - after that 14CC. Actually it's not hard to come back from a 14cc from Best's position. He just made a bad call on teching too quickly to arbiters while simultaneously trying to expand and do everything at once. He should've powered up his macro and took subsequent bases quickly after he was closer to maxing out. If you notice his supply count throughout the game, it wasn't anything special. Even I could reach that supply count with little to no harassment at that time mark. Usually if protoss macros hard in a macro, less harassment style game, protoss can reach 150 supply at around 10-11 minutes but Best was only at 110 at 10:30 mark there because he teched while also trying to keep up in bases. Basically was trying to do everything at once. Some good ways best could've come back is to get a lot more gateways earlier, but again he didn't because he was trying to play catch up. He needed to win a good engagement first and then expand or find holes to harass with his reavers but he gave up on his reaver harassment perhaps because he was too preoccupied with how Last was dictating the pace of the game. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4141 Posts
On October 03 2018 02:44 TaardadAiel wrote: Thank you. So we have Rain vs Effort and Shuttle vs Sharp for sure... and possibly Mini/JD and Last/Flash (that's, at least for me, the most likely outcome). Man, I can't wait for Ro8. Noo, we misunderstood each other, for what I know, the matches are not predefined, there will be a draw and each winner can face each 2nd placer, but the one he already played in the group. This is how I think it is | ||
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Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
currently in an argument about exactly how stupid the 5th game was | ||
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
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ajmbek
Italy460 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19316 Posts
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William Blue
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Last vs BeSt was cool to see on Neo Transistor. If I'm not mistaken, it was likely similar to what Flash did vs Snow in the sense that he pushed out for a nice marine/tank timing and much like Last did, he managed to hit the right time. In this case, Last also had to push against the reaver too while in Flash's case, the reaver was at his base plus Snow never scouted the moveout then so Flash got to engage as nicely as he wanted compared to here. In other words, this was a lot more impressive from Last. BeSt vs Shine was interesting to watch too. Shine got too impatient trying to bust that front while BeSt was trying to make an army to contend with his, and it's likely a lot of hydras got softened up or were killed. That and someone mentioned BeSt was up in upgrades. Fantastic hold by BeSt, even if that was partially due to Shine's misplay. The amount of units he had felt ridiculous as usual haha. Finally, Last vs BeSt on Circuit Breaker. I don't think I've seen such a well played game in a while. People can argue about 14CC and how BeSt had little chance to come back etc... but let's face it, Last played it perfectly too. He got the advantage, played safe, but scouted around reasonably then pulled back, and spread his units out as needed to prevent the attack on his third. He kept on top of it all while continuing to mine around and drop. Finally, he just dealt him the killer blow having hit the supply and upgrades he wanted. Could BeSt have done more? Certainly. I think he should've taken another base earlier and used the reavers to keep Last occupied inside his base. He needed a better eco. Someone mentioned teching up too fast, agree there too. That arbiter did nothing for him aside from a stasis. Why not get several more gateways and commit to a larger gateway army then get arbiters once things are better? He's the pro here so maybe there's something I'm missing, or maybe this idea was not feasible and he banked on a recall to pull Last back and give himself some time? | ||
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William Blue
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On October 03 2018 13:20 BigFan wrote: Could BeSt have done more? Certainly. I think he should've taken another base earlier and used the reavers to keep Last occupied inside his base. He needed a better eco. Someone mentioned teching up too fast, agree there too. That arbiter did nothing for him aside from a stasis. Why not get several more gateways and commit to a larger gateway army then get arbiters once things are better? He's the pro here so maybe there's something I'm missing, or maybe this idea was not feasible and he banked on a recall to pull Last back and give himself some time? I think the idea of getting a larger army is somewhat feasible due to the Terran committing to a death push timing. Best somewhat lost out in the mind games or game sense. The rule of PvT is to never let the Terran be ahead in supply and committed to a death push timing (when you sense the Terran not pushing out within the first 10-12 minute mark or so), otherwise you had to have at least 1-2 base (in this sense, better economy and potential base trade with Terran mech) more than the Terran as well as an even or slightly more army supply than the Terran (usually zealots trade better against tanks and dragoons trade better against vultures and mines plus either arbiters or carriers if the match proceed to a late game). I think the fact that Best committed to a fast arbiter tech rather than a larger gateway army and better economy as well as behind in supply and missing a few elements of surprise (things that keep your opponents guessing like mixing in a few DTs, dropping zealots or reavers on top of tanks (which Mini had done earlier and perhaps Last had Goliaths) and such was a sign of no confidence from Best in his match against Last (also due to the fact that Last had 2 Factory pushed Best in the earlier round). | ||
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Yanokabo
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RowdierBob
Australia13310 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2396 Posts
On October 02 2018 19:43 prosatan wrote: The idea that Shine has always a trick ready is so overused! Since that interview with Flash and his "bag of builds".... Well but, in that game he literally did have a trick ready, so... | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2396 Posts
I think Shine's mechanics are indeed a bit below the other players, so I don't think he should be playing macro. I mean, I guess if he wants to be the best he can be he needs to practise macro and get to a point where you never know which game will be the one where he pulls a fast one on you, but if he's sitting down to play an important game today, he should be using innovative cheese for sure :3 | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5068 Posts
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Moopower
128 Posts
Best looked very solid and a serious contender in the KSL when he beat Mind again and again in PvT match up he just seemed so dominant and in control. But now we see him falter to Last, not to take away from Last he is in great form too and much stronger than mind. But I don't see the same dominance from Best even from a month ago. Although Best's PvT is to be feared with almost unparalleled macro, his play style is a bit rigid, although in KSL against Mind he showed he had mastery in PvT except against Flash, but now not so much... Macro players besides Flash and now Last generally have that style and stick with it and don't adapt as well to different situations than players who don't specialize in macro. Flash shows us that he can play all types of games but when he macros and pumps out his army he is a beast. Best shows us he can pump out like a beast but doesn't compete in other areas like Flash and now Last. I also think Mini did well in this group. He showed he can remain calm and play well especially with defending that 2 factory push from Last. Last is not only solid right now but in a build order position where he should've lost normally, it was a good game sense to get 3 gateways up right after expanding because he lacked scouting intel to play safe, especially with an early expo lead. That being said, I just don't see Mini as championship material either. Despite his improvements in managing his emotions I think he may still have that lingering problem. Like that lady interviewer mentioned Mini shows his strong emotions and mentally when he loses, not that it's bad to, but I think that indicates that he needs to master his emotions before being a champion. If he gets riled up or upset too easily and let that affect his game play or mind games even if his mechanics are better he will lose. We saw this when he went up against Snow in the last ASL season 5. Mini was mechanically doing better but lost do to poor decisions because of his mentality. So I hope Mini can prove me wrong and show that he can continue to play like he has and still beat the best of the best. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + https://youtu.be/wCYtDQsVkAA?t=59m55s | ||
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Animus_
Bulgaria1 Post
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
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Yanokabo
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Heartland
Sweden24593 Posts
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