[ASL6] Ro16 Group C - Page 5

RowdierBob

Australia13295 Posts

October 03 2018 06:08 GMT

#81

Best was really poor in the last game. His read of the game situation just wasn’t good. He knew what was coming and was still woefully prepared. Not sure why he went reavers when he was so passive with them. Way too easy for Last.

Turbovolver

Australia2394 Posts

October 03 2018 06:49 GMT

#82

On October 02 2018 19:43 prosatan wrote:
The idea that Shine has always a trick ready is so overused!
Since that interview with Flash and his "bag of builds"....

Well but, in that game he literally did have a trick ready, so...

Turbovolver

Australia2394 Posts

October 03 2018 06:55 GMT

#83

Really liked the games. Last mixing in a medic was such a neat little point of innovation, and I really like seeing timing attacks in general so I enjoyed Shine's almost-win against Mini, and Last's 2fac.

I think Shine's mechanics are indeed a bit below the other players, so I don't think he should be playing macro. I mean, I guess if he wants to be the best he can be he needs to practise macro and get to a point where you never know which game will be the one where he pulls a fast one on you, but if he's sitting down to play an important game today, he should be using innovative cheese for sure :3

Uldridge

Belgium4975 Posts

October 03 2018 09:25 GMT

#84

Shine was never good macro. He used to bust the protoss with 3 hatch hydra all the time.

Moopower

128 Posts

October 03 2018 09:59 GMT

#85

I think Best is not championship material. He doesn't do well in mindgames, we see this time and time again starting with him being 3-0 by July in 08 I think it was OSL. His PvZ early game is shaky, he loses in games where he gets behind from zergling runbys and his corsairs get sniped by scourges. I'll say though once mid-late game starts Best's PvZ is pretty good as its more army macro management and positioning. I wish protoss players would just practice that one skill of not losing to hydra busts and zergling runbys, I think PvZ would be better statistical win rate if all protoss pros did that. Once it gets to late game I think Protoss is slightly favored to win statistically, because majority of the early game wins are zergs in PvZ.

Best looked very solid and a serious contender in the KSL when he beat Mind again and again in PvT match up he just seemed so dominant and in control. But now we see him falter to Last, not to take away from Last he is in great form too and much stronger than mind. But I don't see the same dominance from Best even from a month ago. Although Best's PvT is to be feared with almost unparalleled macro, his play style is a bit rigid, although in KSL against Mind he showed he had mastery in PvT except against Flash, but now not so much... Macro players besides Flash and now Last generally have that style and stick with it and don't adapt as well to different situations than players who don't specialize in macro. Flash shows us that he can play all types of games but when he macros and pumps out his army he is a beast. Best shows us he can pump out like a beast but doesn't compete in other areas like Flash and now Last.

I also think Mini did well in this group. He showed he can remain calm and play well especially with defending that 2 factory push from Last. Last is not only solid right now but in a build order position where he should've lost normally, it was a good game sense to get 3 gateways up right after expanding because he lacked scouting intel to play safe, especially with an early expo lead. That being said, I just don't see Mini as championship material either. Despite his improvements in managing his emotions I think he may still have that lingering problem. Like that lady interviewer mentioned Mini shows his strong emotions and mentally when he loses, not that it's bad to, but I think that indicates that he needs to master his emotions before being a champion. If he gets riled up or upset too easily and let that affect his game play or mind games even if his mechanics are better he will lose. We saw this when he went up against Snow in the last ASL season 5. Mini was mechanically doing better but lost do to poor decisions because of his mentality. So I hope Mini can prove me wrong and show that he can continue to play like he has and still beat the best of the best.

JieXian

Malaysia4677 Posts

October 03 2018 13:37 GMT

#86

LOL Tasteless is hilarious, at 59:55 he goes "Best is hurting after that, no KSL for him right now, now he's gonna go up against none other than Bag o' Builds??"

+ Show Spoiler +

Animus_

Bulgaria1 Post

October 03 2018 15:53 GMT

#87

To me Shine just played poorly against Best. Seems like he had no real idea what to do with his advantage, he tried to attack with hydra, but his timing was off, then lost some. Tried to make contain, then fall back. Finally tried to stop best from getting third, but let him position his army there, making his attack worse by attacking at 2 choke points. At the same time he played like macro zerg but without the upgrades and tech... If he just commited to doing one of these properly he couldve won easy. Also he couldve destroy main base with drop when he first moved out with hydras and overlords, all focus of Best was on the natural.

darktreb

United States3017 Posts

October 03 2018 22:59 GMT

#88

Did they change the way ro8 brackets work? They kept talking as if groups C and D are guaranteed to face off in the next round (which would imply Last vs Flash if Flash wins his group).

Yanokabo

268 Posts

October 03 2018 23:25 GMT

#89

I don’t know but the way I see it, flash vs last would be no. 1 vs no. 1 or the 2 people to beat in the bw scene right now so I hope this happens. Got to favor flash in that hypothetical series but only slightly. Probably they’re the 2 best players in bw atm.

Heartland

Sweden24592 Posts

October 04 2018 10:28 GMT

#90

Aw, that was too fast

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