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On April 15 2018 22:52 Xeln4g4 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2018 22:48 Golgotha wrote:On April 15 2018 22:44 Xeln4g4 wrote:
Did anyone else find the game conduct of Effort (vs Shuttle) very suspicious? Zero storm dodging (seems like he actually wanted to be stormed) zero tactical play, units wasting (what he did to take 3 o clock it's just "meh?!!?". 5000 minerals wasted to take down a mined Nexus ... not to talk about the sloppy drop or the mass suiciding lurkers...), general passive play ... lurker use unwatchable .... i am not gonna say anything, well, indeed i am, but there are bets on Afreeca Starleague up, since at least 10 days on various betting site ... i really wouldn't wonder if something come up on the fixing side ... this play on this map is really suspicious. nah man. let's not go there. effort did his best and just made a mistake wasting units on the 3 o'clock. he was in such a dominant position and maxed, he felt like he could force the issue at any location. he was wrong. Didn't see this dominant position at all ... maybe he had some minor advantage when he set up an early 4th base, while P didn't have 3rd base yet. Beside this ... i am not sure we can say Z was ahead in any part of the match, and when and if he was, he just camp and give P time to catch up. I really don't know what to think ...
Then you're wrong.
For a lot of that game any Zerg should've felt great about his position on the map and in the game. It's just that Effort didn't trade well any of the exchanges and didn't adapt to any of the losses either. Which happened in his last game as well.
That's his downfall in the end, 500apm but not very clever about it.
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Why it is not possible to express a simply opinion on this site?!?!? What is happening to teamliquid, not that this site was ever an example of freedom but maaaan, you can't even express an out of the chorus opinion without being warned, this is really excessive. I am not trash talking and i am not offending anyone, i am just wondering, any good Z user can say this game was not played out in a clever way. Accusing someone is something else ... i am just wondering on a PvZ match.
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On April 15 2018 22:55 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2018 22:52 Xeln4g4 wrote:On April 15 2018 22:48 Golgotha wrote:On April 15 2018 22:44 Xeln4g4 wrote:
Did anyone else find the game conduct of Effort (vs Shuttle) very suspicious? Zero storm dodging (seems like he actually wanted to be stormed) zero tactical play, units wasting (what he did to take 3 o clock it's just "meh?!!?". 5000 minerals wasted to take down a mined Nexus ... not to talk about the sloppy drop or the mass suiciding lurkers...), general passive play ... lurker use unwatchable .... i am not gonna say anything, well, indeed i am, but there are bets on Afreeca Starleague up, since at least 10 days on various betting site ... i really wouldn't wonder if something come up on the fixing side ... this play on this map is really suspicious. nah man. let's not go there. effort did his best and just made a mistake wasting units on the 3 o'clock. he was in such a dominant position and maxed, he felt like he could force the issue at any location. he was wrong. Didn't see this dominant position at all ... maybe he had some minor advantage when he set up an early 4th base, while P didn't have 3rd base yet. Beside this ... i am not sure we can say Z was ahead in any part of the match, and when and if he was, he just camp and give P time to catch up. I really don't know what to think ... Then you're wrong. For a lot of that game any Zerg should've felt great about his position on the map and in the game. It's just that Effort didn't trade well any of the exchanges and didn't adapt to any of the losses either. Which happened in his last game as well. That's his downfall in the end, 500apm but not very clever about it.
Thank you for giving me your point of view!
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On April 15 2018 23:35 Xeln4g4 wrote:
Why it is not possible to express a simply opinion on this site?!?!? What is happening to teamliquid, not that this site was ever an example of freedom but maaaan, you can't even express an out of the chorus opinion without being warned, this is really excessive. I am not trash talking and i am not offending anyone, i am just wondering, any good Z user can say this game was not played out in a clever way. Accusing someone is something else ... i am just wondering on a PvZ match.
let me guess, it was probably because you suggested matchfixing was involved. what else do you think it was for? Or was your reference to betting sites just harmless conversation? to even imply that effort may have thrown the game is egregious, and TL is correct to avoid such conversation. Otherwise, we'd have it every single time a player fucks up in a match. It's BW, pros can't play perfect and sometimes far from it.
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Larva and JD weren't beating Flash in a Bo5 series, but Effort might have had a chance. Tournament just got a lot more boring...
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On April 15 2018 23:48 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2018 23:35 Xeln4g4 wrote:
Why it is not possible to express a simply opinion on this site?!?!? What is happening to teamliquid, not that this site was ever an example of freedom but maaaan, you can't even express an out of the chorus opinion without being warned, this is really excessive. I am not trash talking and i am not offending anyone, i am just wondering, any good Z user can say this game was not played out in a clever way. Accusing someone is something else ... i am just wondering on a PvZ match. let me guess, it was probably because you suggested matchfixing was involved. what else do you think it was for? Or was your reference to betting sites just harmless conversation? to even imply that effort may have thrown the game is egregious, and TL is correct to avoid such conversation. Otherwise, we'd have it every single time a player fucks up in a match. It's BW, pros can't play perfect and sometimes far from it.
Not gonna on with this topic, since it appear to be forbidden. But there are way and way to "throw" matches ... and "throw" is different from losing.
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I'm absolutely ecstatic that shuttle made it through, as equally crushed that JD didn't.
BW giveth and taketh.
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On April 16 2018 00:05 Xeln4g4 wrote:
Not gonna on with this topic, since it appear to be forbidden. But there are way and way to "throw" matches ... and "throw" is different from losing.
And one should have more when accusing people of doing so
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On April 16 2018 00:05 Xeln4g4 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2018 23:48 Golgotha wrote:On April 15 2018 23:35 Xeln4g4 wrote:
Why it is not possible to express a simply opinion on this site?!?!? What is happening to teamliquid, not that this site was ever an example of freedom but maaaan, you can't even express an out of the chorus opinion without being warned, this is really excessive. I am not trash talking and i am not offending anyone, i am just wondering, any good Z user can say this game was not played out in a clever way. Accusing someone is something else ... i am just wondering on a PvZ match. let me guess, it was probably because you suggested matchfixing was involved. what else do you think it was for? Or was your reference to betting sites just harmless conversation? to even imply that effort may have thrown the game is egregious, and TL is correct to avoid such conversation. Otherwise, we'd have it every single time a player fucks up in a match. It's BW, pros can't play perfect and sometimes far from it. Not gonna on with this topic, since it appear to be forbidden. But there are way and way to "throw" matches ... and "throw" is different from losing.
Saying that you think a player threw a game on purpose with no evidence (except that you think Effort is better than Shuttle and so should have won) is generally frowned upon, yes.
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kinda funny how Larva is watching the vod of his victories. he is living the dream! im glad larva got through, he has worked so hard and deserves it.
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i saw it coming from effort,the guy is playing team games 12 hours/day,looks like Flash is really affecting the competition.
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On April 16 2018 00:12 hiro protagonist wrote:
I'm absolutely ecstatic that shuttle made it through, as equally crushed that JD didn't.
BW giveth and taketh.
I feel the same way. After the unreal pvz matches and crowd buzzing I was ready for a jaedong larva rematch, but I got ahead of myself and in a blink of a zergling bust that was it. What a swing in emotions
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What just happened.
Shuttle, how did.. what.. uh
wow
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In the eff0rt vs Shuttle match on Transistor, why was the bottom-right base blocked by the large mineral doodad? (Blocked as in you couldn't place the Hatchery/CC/Nexus in the optimal position.)
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I don't know if I am giddy with joy because some of the games were so amazing or devastated and heartbroken that both JD and effort is out...
But I like Larva and not only is he a great player but he brings so much with his personality and I am happy for Shuttle, this group was gonna be a heartbreak no matter what.
But man, I just want JD to win 1 more title SO bad. And it is so frustrating that effort is SO DAMN GOOD yet can't advance in the ASL...
This is just, man, I LOVE BROODWAR!
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The first 3 games today were nuts!
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Shuttle has proven his prowess in pvz time and time again before in the KCM series. Dont be that suprised of what he showed in todays ASL. Especially his late game is monstrous.
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Huge job Shuttle, congratz and gl on Ro8 !!
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On April 15 2018 22:31 Peeano wrote:
I was actually quite disappointed with Shuttle's D-webs. Compared to how great his storms and micro was in general, I expected better D-webs.
i honestly think that he forgot about those corsairs, he’s not used to using them that way, mass 3gate saira + dweb. that’s what I think 
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