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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 25 2018 21:48 GMT
#101
I don't think a top4 of ASL and a winner of WEGL can be called overhyped because he opens 12h in a bo1 zvz
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
March 25 2018 21:52 GMT
#102
Hes consistently worshipped as the best zerg in the world, or competing for the second spot; he will never prove it. Hes not a tournament player. He always underperforms.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
March 25 2018 22:13 GMT
#103
It's interesting set of maps. They seem to not be favorable for terran now. But terran is the easiest race to find a suitable strategy for a map. So, Flash has a huge advantage of seeing what strategies don't work for terran now and eliminate them from his plans, or find the ways to improve them.

I feel like we will see interesting games from terrans in the Ro16.
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ppp87
Profile Joined May 2016
Laos250 Posts
March 25 2018 22:31 GMT
#104
[image loading]

Action fighting !

Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8505 Posts
March 25 2018 23:22 GMT
#105
On March 26 2018 06:52 Dazed. wrote:
Hes consistently worshipped as the best zerg in the world, or competing for the second spot; he will never prove it. Hes not a tournament player. He always underperforms.


I agree with you on the 12 hatch. He should have gone 12 pool instead. However, ZvZ is always a coinflip (unless you are Jaedong and it's 2009). There is no "safe" opening for the better player. Soulkey's muta vs muta micro is also quite mediocre which is baffling because his muta micro in general is quite stellar.

Soulkey is one of the players who would benefit from having a coach btw.

Always underperforming is a huge exaggeration btw. He got to the Ro4 in ASL3 and got knocked out 2-3 by Flash. He got to the Ro8 last ASL and got knocked out in a ZvZ. Again 2-3. He won the WEGL, beating Last, Flash and Larva without dropping a single game. Yeah, he is underperforming for sure...
winson
Profile Joined September 2007
China138 Posts
March 25 2018 23:30 GMT
#106
On March 26 2018 02:37 Kawal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2018 20:44 RowdierBob wrote:
SK is way too in love with 12 hatch in ZvZ.

He needs to back himself as the better player and 9 pool.


yeah, but he got the advantage with the 2nd hatch, and he even killed Action’s 2nd hatch. so for me him doing 12 hatch to open the game didn’t made him lose. everyone watching can see the many advantages he had in the game. And there were times Soulkey’s lings infiltrated Action’s base. but I don’t know Soulkey still lost the game I really wanted him to fight Flash

Even he has one more hatch, his gas is still way behind, Action even didn't need get ling speed that means another 100 gas. Gas count is the major factor once Muta is out, more mineral and lings are minor.
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-25 23:41:25
March 25 2018 23:40 GMT
#107
did they even play test sparkle before they added it to the map pool? the games on this map are super lame. even in my zerg eyes i can't see how terran can win this map.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51446 Posts
March 25 2018 23:40 GMT
#108
On March 26 2018 07:31 ppp87 wrote:
[image loading]

Action fighting !



.... thats chojja.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8505 Posts
March 26 2018 00:18 GMT
#109
On March 26 2018 08:40 Motivate wrote:
did they even play test sparkle before they added it to the map pool? the games on this map are super lame. even in my zerg eyes i can't see how terran can win this map.


Well, there was a short period before the ASL started. Zerg was getting dominated by both terran and protoss. They made some quick, consecutive changes to help zerg. Now terran seems fucked and protoss still dominates. The games on Sparkle are a hell of a lot better than on Transistor though. And Third World looks pretty bad for protoss. I like new maps but they overdid it here. The test-phase was not long enough and they just throw in more. Makes for a lot of upsets (not really because by now we know the imbalances).
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-26 02:28:03
March 26 2018 02:18 GMT
#110
On March 26 2018 08:22 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2018 06:52 Dazed. wrote:
Hes consistently worshipped as the best zerg in the world, or competing for the second spot; he will never prove it. Hes not a tournament player. He always underperforms.


I agree with you on the 12 hatch. He should have gone 12 pool instead. However, ZvZ is always a coinflip (unless you are Jaedong and it's 2009). There is no "safe" opening for the better player. Soulkey's muta vs muta micro is also quite mediocre which is baffling because his muta micro in general is quite stellar.

Soulkey is one of the players who would benefit from having a coach btw.

Always underperforming is a huge exaggeration btw. He got to the Ro4 in ASL3 and got knocked out 2-3 by Flash. He got to the Ro8 last ASL and got knocked out in a ZvZ. Again 2-3. He won the WEGL, beating Last, Flash and Larva without dropping a single game. Yeah, he is underperforming for sure...
Definitely could use a coach. Your right it is an exaggeration, though Last chokes constantly, if you really want to talk about a quintessential under performer...flash was the only time soulkey actually met his own potential, but losing 2-3 against hero in a zvz? Thats not soulkeys potential. This sure as shit wasnt. 12p against 12h is totally winnable, especially if your the better player. Coin flip is not a fair way to desc. zvz especially at higher levels.

Soulkey could/should be 'the' guy. Flash/Soulkey/?? Protoss unknown. He is underperforming from that standpoint, maybe its nerves, maybe he just has bad prep and needs a coach.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
March 26 2018 15:28 GMT
#111
F yeah, Mafia zerg!!! Let Action be the dark horse of this tourney. Feel sorry for SK though.
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
March 26 2018 17:41 GMT
#112
Impressed by Action's play, I mean I know he was legit and underrated back in SPL days, but wasn't expecting him to play this good shortly after coming back (assuming he wasnt playing SC during all this time?)
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-26 19:17:26
March 26 2018 19:14 GMT
#113
On March 26 2018 07:13 arbiter_md wrote:
So, Flash has a huge advantage of seeing what strategies don't work for terran now and eliminate them from his plans, or find the ways to improve them.

I feel like we will see interesting games from terrans in the Ro16.


First off, "terrans" will probably only be Mind and Flash.

Secondly, it's a stretch to call map imbalance against terran an advantage for Flash lol=) Watched his stream the other day and he definitely has problems with the maps. Saw him lose like 0-8 to stork on third world and transistor. He still has time to prepare though but it's looking grim. If anyone can do it, it's Flash though.

Also I think people exaggerate when they claim SoulKey is the only one who can beat Flash. Lately, Hero has been doing a lot better against Flash than Soulkey and to be honest I think that it's going to be a protoss that knocks Flash out this time.

Beating any of Rain, Stork, Snow, Best or Mini in a TvP on these maps is a feat of it's own.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-26 22:50:30
March 26 2018 22:46 GMT
#114
Dual tournaments in a Bo1 have always been volatile. Personally, I would enjoy seeing a Bo3 dual tournament, or failing that a dual tournament where only the elimination matches are Bo3. Too often, players are eliminated before having a chance to show what they can do.

Also, go Action!!!
May the BeSt man win.
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