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[ASL4] Grand Finals Flash vs Hero - Page 24

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Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
November 12 2017 10:38 GMT
#461
This is a screengrab I thought you guys might enjoy. Hope you all enjoyed the finals as much as I did. [image loading]
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-12 10:40:44
November 12 2017 10:38 GMT
#462
Congrats to Flash, sad for hero Should've known that Flash will try to bust his third with all thos marines just standing there. Also, what is it with zergs trying to cut so many corners. Sure, he survived the sunken attack but the amount of damage he would've taken if he didn't would've been immense.

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On November 12 2017 19:16 True_Spike wrote:
That must have been a tough reality check for anyone thinking hero has a chance.

never! I'm sure that if they have another series, there's a better chance that hero can take it. Game 3 showed that he can win in a macro game, he just needs to get that third base up and running. Even in the last game, hero pulled his mutas back due to Flash's feint and in turn, got busted. If he kept them there, that base would've been defended 100%. The game would've looked different too.

On November 12 2017 19:35 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On a serious note, on Flash playing a different race: I think offracing and playing random should be allowed and could be a very legit strategy. We should at least see how the games would look like. Imo it would at least inject something new and hopefully something exciting into the games.

I think he was joking.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
November 12 2017 10:39 GMT
#463
On November 12 2017 19:37 arbiter_md wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2017 19:18 FlaShFTW wrote:
think about it, what if hero had just 1 more lurker at the high ground. theres a reason most zergs get 3 lurkers these days atthe 3rd and its because of that +1 armor upgrade taht allows terran to walk up ramps...


Hero actually had the third lurker, but his mistake was to keep it near the hatch. Had he placed it along with other two, he would've survived there.

I don't think it was much of a mistake, but rather a calculated risk. Had the mutas arrived just a tiny bit earlier and had the spikes hit a little better, Flash would've lost his entire bio force for a couple of lurkers and the initiative would've gone to Hero.
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Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
November 12 2017 10:42 GMT
#464
On November 12 2017 19:37 arbiter_md wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2017 19:18 FlaShFTW wrote:
think about it, what if hero had just 1 more lurker at the high ground. theres a reason most zergs get 3 lurkers these days atthe 3rd and its because of that +1 armor upgrade taht allows terran to walk up ramps...


Hero actually had the third lurker, but his mistake was to keep it near the hatch. Had he placed it along with other two, he would've survived there.

'
I dont think he had the lurker, it probably just morphed in while his lurkers at the ramp got crushed and he then burrowed it at the hatch because it had nowhere else to go... at least that seems most likely to me, don't think they showed that lurker being done while those other two lurkers were still at the choke. Just saw a hydra standing at the hatch a bit earlier i think?
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chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
November 12 2017 10:43 GMT
#465
On FS hero had 2 drones on nat gas since he pulled drones to def flash 1st marine push. That's why he lost.
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 12 2017 10:44 GMT
#466
On November 12 2017 19:42 Kaolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2017 19:37 arbiter_md wrote:
On November 12 2017 19:18 FlaShFTW wrote:
think about it, what if hero had just 1 more lurker at the high ground. theres a reason most zergs get 3 lurkers these days atthe 3rd and its because of that +1 armor upgrade taht allows terran to walk up ramps...


Hero actually had the third lurker, but his mistake was to keep it near the hatch. Had he placed it along with other two, he would've survived there.

'
I dont think he had the lurker, it probably just morphed in while his lurkers at the ramp got crushed and he then burrowed it at the hatch because it had nowhere else to go... at least that seems most likely to me, don't think they showed that lurker being done while those other two lurkers were still at the choke. Just saw a hydra standing at the hatch a bit earlier i think?

agree, don't believe he had it around till it was too late. Man, another minute or mutas being there and this game would've been different. Much like game 1 with hero going really greedy and getting punished hard.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
November 12 2017 10:44 GMT
#467
On November 12 2017 19:43 chuDr3t4 wrote:
On FS hero had 2 drones on nat gas since he pulled drones to def flash 1st marine push. That's why he lost.


because with a bit more gas he would've been able to hold his 3rd? uhuh...
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Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
November 12 2017 10:44 GMT
#468
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xccam
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Great Britain1150 Posts
November 12 2017 10:45 GMT
#469
On November 12 2017 19:42 Kaolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2017 19:37 arbiter_md wrote:
On November 12 2017 19:18 FlaShFTW wrote:
think about it, what if hero had just 1 more lurker at the high ground. theres a reason most zergs get 3 lurkers these days atthe 3rd and its because of that +1 armor upgrade taht allows terran to walk up ramps...


Hero actually had the third lurker, but his mistake was to keep it near the hatch. Had he placed it along with other two, he would've survived there.

'
I dont think he had the lurker, it probably just morphed in while his lurkers at the ramp got crushed and he then burrowed it at the hatch because it had nowhere else to go... at least that seems most likely to me, don't think they showed that lurker being done while those other two lurkers were still at the choke. Just saw a hydra standing at the hatch a bit earlier i think?

This is exactly what happened. A bit before Flash attacked we saw 1 unmorphed hydra at the hatch. It was clearly morphing as Flash busted the ramp. Maybe if Hero had 10~ more seconds the lurker saves him - but tiny edges win championships.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
November 12 2017 10:50 GMT
#470
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chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
November 12 2017 10:51 GMT
#471
On November 12 2017 19:44 Kaolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2017 19:43 chuDr3t4 wrote:
On FS hero had 2 drones on nat gas since he pulled drones to def flash 1st marine push. That's why he lost.


because with a bit more gas he would've been able to hold his 3rd? uhuh...

yes that missing gas was faster 3rd lurker erryone here is talking about.
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
November 12 2017 10:55 GMT
#472
On November 12 2017 19:51 chuDr3t4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2017 19:44 Kaolla wrote:
On November 12 2017 19:43 chuDr3t4 wrote:
On FS hero had 2 drones on nat gas since he pulled drones to def flash 1st marine push. That's why he lost.


because with a bit more gas he would've been able to hold his 3rd? uhuh...

yes that missing gas was faster 3rd lurker erryone here is talking about.


I don't think that's the case. It was probably late because the hatch there finished quite late so he had no larva to build the 3rd hydra/lurker. If he would've just built that hatch a bit earlier, that would've helped quite a bit more, don't think it was a gas thing at all.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-12 10:57:28
November 12 2017 10:56 GMT
#473
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 12 2017 10:58 GMT
#474
thought this was his rule till someone said it was a golden one lol. Kinda hilarious to see XD
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Shalashaska_123
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States142 Posts
November 12 2017 10:58 GMT
#475
Congratulations, FlaSh.

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This is the perfect trophy for him. I remember he said something about switching races after getting his 3rd MSL/3rd OSL victories, but because KeSPA was transitioning to SC2 we didn't get to see him play another race. I wonder if he'll give it a shot now and show he can dominate just as hard with any race.

Shalashaska_123
ArcadePlus
Profile Joined March 2012
United States44 Posts
November 12 2017 11:00 GMT
#476
I see flashes of Jaedong in hero, pun not intended. the big lurker drops in flashes main in game 3, opening up his expansions to that massive multipronged ling attack? That's a jaedong killer instinct move, no doubt about it.
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-12 11:06:47
November 12 2017 11:01 GMT
#477
E: double post
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3124 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-12 11:04:00
November 12 2017 11:01 GMT
#478
Might give these a re-watch tomorrow night when they're uploaded.

I'm guessing Season 5 won't be as early as was planned to. I'm not sure Bisu and JD are playing in the next season.
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-12 11:02:05
November 12 2017 11:01 GMT
#479
On November 12 2017 20:01 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2017 19:35 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On a serious note, on Flash playing a different race: I think offracing and playing random should be allowed and could be a very legit strategy. We should at least see how the games would look like. Imo it would at least inject something new and hopefully something exciting into the games.

I think he was joking.

lol yeah I know he was joking.
But since he brought it up, I always thought that offracing can win you games, can make for an interesting series, and should be allowed.
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-12 11:02:55
November 12 2017 11:02 GMT
#480
On November 12 2017 20:01 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2017 20:01 BigFan wrote:
On November 12 2017 19:35 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On a serious note, on Flash playing a different race: I think offracing and playing random should be allowed and could be a very legit strategy. We should at least see how the games would look like. Imo it would at least inject something new and hopefully something exciting into the games.

I think he was joking.

lol yeah I know he was joking.
But since he brought it up, I always thought that offracing can win you games and should be allowed.

the good thing about offracing is that if Flash wins ASL using zerg or protoss, maybe just maybe folks can stop yelling Tesagi every time Flash wins. Given, I don't think he's at that level yet in his off-races but w/e
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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