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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1717 Posts
On September 19 2017 21:53 EsportsJohn wrote: Protoss players have been failing to scout a lot over the last few months, not sure why. This was an ongoing thing during the last ASL too. Shine was very happy this was the case! You'd like to think it has more to do with Z denying scouting than P being lazy, but unfortunately its hard to tell. They have all the apm in the world to try and sneak in probes at any opportunity considering the real threat of dying no matter how good you are | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3148 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Poll: Recommend Game 3? Winners match No (7) Yes (3) If you have time (3) 13 total votes Your vote: Recommend Game 3? Winners match Poll: Recommend Game 4? Losers match No (11) If you have time (7) Yes (3) 21 total votes Your vote: Recommend Game 4? Losers match | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51099 Posts
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
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Rainalcar
Croatia480 Posts
On September 19 2017 21:01 TT1 wrote: zerg has to chase p's zeals with his lings which usually gives p the opportunity to sneak a probe in z's main for a rescout (assuming p's probe left z's main), which he didnt do. Even the best Protoss players most of the time don't manage to do this and the reason is simple: it's usually not possible against best Zergs because they see everything with speedlings. Hydra busts are w/o a doubt one of the more stupid things in BW. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
I feel like Snow is more a proleague type player than individual competition. He's super amazing in PvP and PvT(I really can't win his PvT. Maybe 1/10 or 15). I hope Snow can overcome his PvZ one day and do well for the future tournaments. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10516 Posts
On September 20 2017 00:43 LaStScan wrote: Just came back from work. I feel like Snow is more a proleague type player than individual competition. He's super amazing in PvP and PvT(I really can't win his PvT. Maybe 1/10 or 15). I hope Snow can overcome his PvZ one day and do well for the future tournaments. This is what I was scared about when I saw his group. No doubt his pvt is incredible especially with the reaver/carrier build he loves so much, and its a shame we didnt get to see it. | ||
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On September 20 2017 00:43 LaStScan wrote: Just came back from work. I feel like Snow is more a proleague type player than individual competition. He's super amazing in PvP and PvT(I really can't win his PvT. Maybe 1/10 or 15). I hope Snow can overcome his PvZ one day and do well for the future tournaments. There's this quote about him from Coach Cho that's he'll never be able to shake off about him being the greatest talent he's discovered since Xellos. The Dreamleagues that prompted that judgement were the old ones where 85% of the player pools were terrans, half of them using the ID Mong and Snow was just feeding on them. Coach Cho and CJ were always proleague focused too, Movie was effectively a HBR bot and SKyHigh has more TvTs in the KEspA era than the other two matchups combined. It's also very possible that Snow's development as a player was cut midway by the Hite merger and by the SC2 proleague bullshit. But you don't make your PvT debut shitting on Flash if you don't have something in the tank. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
Same thing yesterday, would have been cool to see ample's ghosts against actual fast carriers, and rains corsairs vs standard terran play. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10516 Posts
On September 20 2017 03:52 Alpha-NP- wrote: Is Jaedong really as rusty as people say he is? People think he gonna lose im his group? I'm surprised. NEver forget when hiya eliminated him from the OSL in groups lol. Anything can happen with hiya and mini in the group. Mini has always been a thorn in the side of top players | ||
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TT1
Canada10045 Posts
On September 20 2017 00:41 Rainalcar wrote: Even the best Protoss players most of the time don't manage to do this and the reason is simple: it's usually not possible against best Zergs because they see everything with speedlings. Hydra busts are w/o a doubt one of the more stupid things in BW. zerg doesnt have speed by the time you go in for your rescout, this usually happens when you're harassing with 3 zeals vs slow lings. you sneak back in to check for gas/lair timings. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On September 20 2017 03:52 Alpha-NP- wrote: Is Jaedong really as rusty as people say he is? People think he gonna lose im his group? I'm surprised. He's not as bad as people say he is, but he's definitely not top top shape right now. Even I (A huge jaedong fan) would give the advantage to almost the other player if their a top top player like Last/Flash/Bisu/Stork/Larva/Mong/etc. In his group I feel like he should advance, but nothings ever 100% and last time I saw mini and jaedong play I want to say mini beat him a lot (I may be wrong, so don't take what I said as fact). | ||
Qikz
United Kingdom12042 Posts
On September 20 2017 02:41 r33k wrote: There's this quote about him from Coach Cho that's he'll never be able to shake off about him being the greatest talent he's discovered since Xellos. The Dreamleagues that prompted that judgement were the old ones where 85% of the player pools were terrans, half of them using the ID Mong and Snow was just feeding on them. Coach Cho and CJ were always proleague focused too, Movie was effectively a HBR bot and SKyHigh has more TvTs in the KEspA era than the other two matchups combined. It's also very possible that Snow's development as a player was cut midway by the Hite merger and by the SC2 proleague bullshit. But you don't make your PvT debut shitting on Flash if you don't have something in the tank. SKyHigh was a wonder to watch play TvT. Infact, with all of the really famous pros back then (even Really) in proleague, all of them played some incredible TvTs together. Even Upmagic had amazing TvT to watch. | ||
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
On September 20 2017 03:52 Alpha-NP- wrote: Is Jaedong really as rusty as people say he is? People think he gonna lose im his group? I'm surprised. win rates in spon matches (September 2017): vT: 46% vP: 47% vZ: 50% v Sharp: 67% v Mini: 43% v HiyA: ? i'd give him 50/50 chance of getting through just because he's JD | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10516 Posts
And then he almost lost to tossgirl lol | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On September 20 2017 09:11 FlaShFTW wrote: And then he almost lost to tossgirl lol UpMagic was probably one of the most disportionately talented terran players to have ever played the game. His strategical prowess was off the charts, but his actual fundamentals compared to the other top terran players of his time was severely lacking. Certainly one of the most interesting characters the game has had, in my opinion. He does boast a superior head-to-head record versus Flash, by a score of three to one. The only terran in history that can claim that trivia. | ||
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