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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
September 11 2017 22:42 GMT
#381
On September 12 2017 02:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2017 00:16 Marou wrote:
nice power ranking teamliquid

Seriouslt what happened ? Did the other players just played well ? Do you guys think if it was BO1 Last would have made it out for sure ?

Last made a critical error in his game vs ssak where he had an air force designed to stop ssak's air fleet of dropships and moved them south for whatever reason right as ssak moved in from the north to drop. Instant gg

I thought he got bated by ssaks wraiths or something when i saw it. It must have been something like that.
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ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
September 11 2017 23:07 GMT
#382
On September 12 2017 06:11 arbiter_md wrote:
It's interesting that before that battle on the bridge last was 1-0 in upgrades, while immediately after the battle finished he was 2-1 already. The upgrades kicked while the battle was going. Had he crossed the bridge 10 seconds later, we might have seen a different outcome there.

This. 2-1 finished immediately after the battle. Game winning decision from Stork right there imo, very few Protoss attack before the full mech army has moved out of the bridge, but Stork attacked right before Last could lay mines and 2-1 kicked in, catching him offguard . I also like that Stork was using shuttle in every engagement, for dt/zealot drops or to get the storms out safely
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
September 11 2017 23:57 GMT
#383
Good Stork
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10232 Posts
September 12 2017 01:04 GMT
#384
On September 12 2017 07:42 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2017 02:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
On September 12 2017 00:16 Marou wrote:
nice power ranking teamliquid

Seriouslt what happened ? Did the other players just played well ? Do you guys think if it was BO1 Last would have made it out for sure ?

Last made a critical error in his game vs ssak where he had an air force designed to stop ssak's air fleet of dropships and moved them south for whatever reason right as ssak moved in from the north to drop. Instant gg

I thought he got bated by ssaks wraiths or something when i saw it. It must have been something like that.

he shouldve been more diligent with scans though. we saw in the same position when ssak went for the same doom drop vs flash, flash was scanning everywhere for the dropships
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2284 Posts
September 12 2017 01:28 GMT
#385
Stork's play that game was brilliant. 10/10 and Last's execution of his timing push was also perfect.

PvT clinic.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
September 12 2017 02:33 GMT
#386
When will the thread for group C be up?
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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
September 12 2017 03:07 GMT
#387


Just watched game 4. It is brutal as fuck.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-12 06:09:19
September 12 2017 05:21 GMT
#388
So happy for Stork. Those psi storms were Jangbi-esque.

edit: but then again any successful storms in PvT can be considered Jangbi-esque. Great game anyhow.
Gonozal
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany320 Posts
September 12 2017 06:13 GMT
#389
Guys,

Is there any way to donate for ASL/Tastosis? Seems to be just fair.

Cheers,
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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 12 2017 07:26 GMT
#390
On September 12 2017 07:40 duke91 wrote:
No idea about TvP. From a TvZ standpoint, how far behind was stork? Like losing the third and then 20 marines camping in front of the FE behind?


I'm not sure the two are analogous. Stork lost a ton of economy, but he was able to clean up that first push quite efficiently and the mech army takes a long time to rebuild, so he was able to get his economy back up while still keeping up in supply.

I guess you could liken it to Terran suiciding 4 groups of bio to kill your natural, but you still have 10 lurkers lol.
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4138 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-12 10:26:57
September 12 2017 10:26 GMT
#391
On September 12 2017 05:26 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2017 00:12 Dante08 wrote:
On September 11 2017 21:50 TT1 wrote:
On September 11 2017 21:33 FlaShFTW wrote:
Last had 2/1 when he tried to take his 4th and had the double stasis go off near the bridge to his 4th where stork traded armies.


Last threw his lead the first time he pushed out over the bridge (leading to his main) after he was maxed. Both players were maxed but Stork had 4 bases and was taking his 5th. Last's edge in that scenario would have been to have an upgrade lead (wish he should have had) so he could roll Stork's army cost efficiently. Instead he only had 1-0 and decided to push out with his tanks exposed and no mine protection, he lost ~40 supply worth of tanks for free there. At that point Stork's eco kicked in again so he was able to just churn out gate units and keep the momentum.

I don't understand why Last would even consider moving out like that with just 1-0 and i don't understand why his 2-1 was so late considering his 4th was suuuuuper delayed, was really weird.


It was a good decision to move out, Stork invested heavily into reavers and his 4th was late. At that point they were pretty even on supply and sometimes it's a good decision to push out earlier instead of letting P have a chance of getting back in the game. Also he knew zealot speed wasn't going to finish soon. He did make a key mistake of losing all his tanks to kill a nexus which is not a good trade.


This is what I'm talking about:

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Last pushes out with 1-0 at a point in the game where he should have been 2-1 (considering how late his 4th was, how early his 3rd was and how late he pushed out).

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His decision to push out with 1-0 is already flawed.. but then he decides to push out over the bridges and expose his tanks with no mine support, his tanks are completely exposed.

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Stork trades out evenly in supply with Last (70 to 70 which obviously isnt good for Terran, he lost a ton of tanks) but he's taking his 5th at this point and already has all his gateways up. Last has to remake his tanks (which takes a long time) and he's reinforcing his army with weak upgrades. He should have been 2-1 when he pushed out and he should have been at least 3-1 by the time the later engagements happened. In any case after this exchange Stork has a huge lead, Last mined out his main and Stork was sitting on 5 bases.



Ah that's what you are referring to. I think Last was just trying to set up outside the bridge and not moving out which is quite common for TvP in FS. The main reason behind doing that is if you camp too long in base P can just form a concave outside the bridge and it is very hard to break out. But yeah he probably should have waited a while more to secure that position but definitely good attack from Stork.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-12 21:37:07
September 12 2017 21:34 GMT
#392
Even I am very happy for the commander.
I can't understand why Last played so uncharacteristically weak in both his games? What's up with weak 1-0 upgrades. Very strange. Can someone knowledgeable comment on his decision making? On the other hand two last engagements were state-of-the-art PvT from Stork.
epicdoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States489 Posts
September 12 2017 23:02 GMT
#393
It's interesting to note that 2-1 finished right at the *end* of that engagement. The last few tanks that getting hit by storms had 2-1 I believe. If that was planned...that was a sick ee han timing.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28706 Posts
September 12 2017 23:09 GMT
#394
that's largely a fuckup from last, then. It's like a protoss attacking into 30 lings with 10 zealots 7 seconds before +1 is done.
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epicdoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States489 Posts
September 12 2017 23:44 GMT
#395
On September 13 2017 08:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:
that's largely a fuckup from last, then. It's like a protoss attacking into 30 lings with 10 zealots 7 seconds before +1 is done.


I think fuckup might be too harsh. Not to sound cliche but this really shows what a game of inches brood war can be. That engage itself was about 6-8 seconds, which means that Last was 8 seconds away from 2-1 and was just edging knowing it was about done.

But I guess its these decisions that separate great from bonjwa.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
September 13 2017 00:15 GMT
#396
Last taking so long to take his 4th was the weirdest blunder that game in my view. He ceded the econ advantage for no reason there.
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_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-13 15:10:45
September 13 2017 15:09 GMT
#397
Last played so bad (especially vs sSak), that if i didnt saw him in the studio i wouldnt believe he is playing these games.
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
September 13 2017 19:46 GMT
#398
Wow Stork is showing his old form again. It's fun now there is another Protoss giving Protoss a chance again.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
September 14 2017 06:33 GMT
#399
Storks mine clearing and observer control was one crazy thing about this game as well I think. Stork lost so few units to mines which makes it sooo much harder for terran to win. Stork played a crazy mid/end game.
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Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
September 15 2017 22:01 GMT
#400
What's up with the clip that shows TBLS and has bleeping during the adds?
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