EPT[ASL] Grand Finals: Flash vs Shine - Page 23
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Peeano
Netherlands5638 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On June 04 2017 20:22 Broodwar4lyf wrote: Flash can't be beat, good luck JD and Bisu fanboys, tried so hard to believe something new could work vs old fashioned godly mechanics, I guess not JD was actually the only zerg capable of holding Flash relentless pushes and is actually the one who once bested him in pure macro games. But right now probably not, it is true. | ||
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Stax736
United States119 Posts
On June 04 2017 19:55 RowdierBob wrote: So who of the current crop is good enough to take out Flash in a bo5? I feel maybe Best or Soulkey. Anyone else? And please don't throw Bisu or Last at me. Snow, Effort, Movie, JD, Best, maybe Larva, maybe Jangbi, maybe Free, maybe Stork, maybe Horang2, Soulkey, Last and Bisu. Even though Last lost in a Bo5, imo he's the second best player right now. He's just so strong. In online matches Flash struggles a lot against Best and Effort. The problem is some of these players like Snow, Stork, and Movie couldn't get past the Ro24 they just choke. | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On June 04 2017 20:53 c3rberUs wrote: ^ lol. Keep safe yo I'm spacing out so hard that I nearly missed getting on my subway and then subsequently nearly missed getting off | ||
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njoe
Sweden26 Posts
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outscar
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RKC
2848 Posts
SK will go deep in ASL4 and be a top contender. Surely Top 3 Zerg right now. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4754 Posts
But the difference in skill was so huge, I think there is not much to analyse. I hope a zerg player finally comes up with something better than just rushing to Defilers. It is neither fun to watch not very succesful these days. And I hope that the level of play increases. As much as I enjoy watching the games these days, the difference to the classic era is very visible. | ||
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Stax736
United States119 Posts
On June 04 2017 20:58 letian wrote: JD was actually the only zerg capable of holding Flash relentless pushes and is actually the one who once bested him in pure macro games. But right now probably not, it is true. Flash loses more often to Effort nowadays. Effort's style of play troubles Flash. JD will now be in the brutal preliminaries of the ASL, there is a high chance he doesn't even make it to the Ro24. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Game 1 was weird so let's forget that one lol. Game 2 was pretty nice I feel. The bunker vs lings in his base, Shine holding on and grabbing a third etc... I think people give credit to Flash already but let's face it, how many terrans have we seen recently or anytime in the last year go for an "exp bust" using dropships to snipe the defiler? It's unexpected and that's why it worked. Shine expected a drop in his main or third and defended for that, was caught offguard but that's a testament to Flash's skills and experience imo. I think he could've easily caught any other zerg offguard with that frontal drop as well. Was pretty cool to see but sad as a Shine fan going into this. Game 3 was decent enough as well. Shine's mutalisk micro is one of the best atm compared to say SK who was frankly terrible at using them in the semis vs Flash (except in game 5 oddly enough). I think Shine should've pushed once he broke the bunkers. He had another control group of units at his natural and Flash had only a handful of marines. Yes, it's risky but considering that Flash's macro is off the charts and his late game is solid, Shine would've had no chance if Flash kept the wheels turning so I feel like it was his best shot. He should've rallied everything outside Flash's natural then pushed in. Debatable if it's worth it but I feel like it could've been (he could've grabbed the fourth behind it too). | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12042 Posts
On June 04 2017 20:55 BisuDagger wrote: Unfortunately, this finals was too predictable. GGWP Flash. I like how you say unfortunately, when secretly like me you are cheering for the fact Shine is out of the tournament and he didn't win. He beat our boy, he got what he deserved.  | ||
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
On June 04 2017 20:57 Peeano wrote: Bisu would definitely be a top contender to take a bo5 off of Flash. Even against ssak, Bisu was vulnerable and PvT has always been Bisu's weakest match-up, so I think Flash would stomp Bisu in a bo5. I think right now only Best's godlike PvT can take on Flash. Even then Flash is the clear favourite. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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GTR
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Shine had real chance of success in g1 if he had killed the 3rd scouting scv and in g3 he overcomited with the attack on flash natural after killing his army numerous times, he shouldve just played calm and defensive starvation game and shut down every flash attack until gg. I guess its not the Shines temper to play calmer game. In general Shines style is much more suitable to zvp matchup, since toss can defend way harder than terran. No effective range units, slow army units, no 60 hp workers, no bunkers, no scans, no good ground to air units before templar tech, its just so easy for zerg surprises to work on Protoss by design and hard against terran. I felt like Soulkey style is the real answer against Flash and with some refinement he can destroy Flash for sure. And yeah, next season its time for Jangbanging! It will be awesome. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On June 04 2017 22:09 GTR wrote: next season it shall be the revenge of the jangbang. That's what me and my wife are hoping for :D | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Hopefully he doesn't disappoint. His SSL games are still fresh enough so ya ;; | ||
Waxangel
United States33650 Posts
On June 04 2017 20:55 BisuDagger wrote: Unfortunately, this finals was too predictable. GGWP Flash. shocked that Shine got that many votes, even out of sympathy | ||
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