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[ASL] Grand Finals: Flash vs Shine - Page 22

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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
June 04 2017 11:02 GMT
#421
On June 04 2017 20:00 arbiter_md wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 15:22 arbiter_md wrote:
My prediction is, Shine will manage to kill at most 10 units (including his own) in all 3 games combined.


Anybody care to count?

Shine killed more than 10 units in game 3 alone.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
June 04 2017 11:03 GMT
#422
Worst finals ever? Even if it was 3-0 I was expecting some macro games. What happened to Shine's "10 year reserved just for Flash" builds, only 1st game he did some trick after he fell apart. Bisu must be feeling satisfied right now although even sSak almost beat him so he could go out 0-3 too.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
June 04 2017 11:04 GMT
#423
On June 04 2017 19:53 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 19:51 usopsama wrote:
On June 04 2017 19:50 Disregard wrote:
On June 04 2017 19:50 Terrorbladder wrote:
Bisu probably kicking himself in the nuts rn.
"I lost to THIS guy?"


For the second time

Third time.

In fact has Bisu actually won an offline series against him?


Shines entire career verges on the fact he keeps beating Bisu. Damn you Shine! *shakes fist*
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Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2717 Posts
June 04 2017 11:07 GMT
#424
To beat Flash you need someone who has an ok matchup against him AND at the same time good against the rest of the field.
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
azrael1965
Profile Joined May 2017
13 Posts
June 04 2017 11:07 GMT
#425
Why isn't Flash in the SSL?
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-04 11:11:15
June 04 2017 11:09 GMT
#426
On June 04 2017 20:07 azrael1965 wrote:
Why isn't Flash in the SSL?
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the tournament is below a player of his caliber and this format
"Qualification
Fans vote eight players into the tournament"
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
June 04 2017 11:09 GMT
#427
On June 04 2017 20:07 azrael1965 wrote:
Why isn't Flash in the SSL?

Officially? Because the top players didn't agree with the voting system. Inofficially (read: the reasons they gave at first) because they didn't want to/were exhausted/felt it took to much time up(streaming is the real money)
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azrael1965
Profile Joined May 2017
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-04 11:18:38
June 04 2017 11:14 GMT
#428
On June 04 2017 20:09 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 20:07 azrael1965 wrote:
Why isn't Flash in the SSL?

Officially? Because the top players didn't agree with the voting system. Inofficially (read: the reasons they gave at first) because they didn't want to/were exhausted/felt it took to much time up(streaming is the real money)

Most Games are just Best of One. The Elimination Stage is Best of 3 and the price pool isn't that bad. 8600$ for the winner 4300$ for second place and there is even money for the regular season games. Effort got 2K by winning 6 Best of One games.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
June 04 2017 11:15 GMT
#429
On June 04 2017 20:09 Terrorbladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 20:07 azrael1965 wrote:
Why isn't Flash in the SSL?
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the tournament is below a player of his caliber and this format
"Qualification
Fans vote eight players into the tournament"

No I'm pretty sure it has to do with Afreeca stepping in and telling players like Bisu and Flash to exclusively compete in their league, Afreeca doesn't want competition.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
nwDanon
Profile Joined May 2017
12 Posts
June 04 2017 11:15 GMT
#430
I was rooting for Shine so hard, but I came to witness The Bag of Builds and saw the punching bag
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
June 04 2017 11:16 GMT
#431
On June 04 2017 20:09 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 20:07 azrael1965 wrote:
Why isn't Flash in the SSL?

Officially? Because the top players didn't agree with the voting system. Inofficially (read: the reasons they gave at first) because they didn't want to/were exhausted/felt it took to much time up(streaming is the real money)

Most of those players are sponsored and supported by Afreeca, I think it has more to do with Afreeca having a monopoly over the new BW scene.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Broodwar4lyf
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
304 Posts
June 04 2017 11:22 GMT
#432
Flash can't be beat, good luck JD and Bisu fanboys, tried so hard to believe something new could work vs old fashioned godly mechanics, I guess not
https://cinesnipe.com
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
June 04 2017 11:25 GMT
#433
Flash prepared well. His aggressive plays disrupted Shine's 'bag of builds', and forced the game into a semi-chaotic state where his greater mechanical skill would prevail.

Flash would've won anyway if he played more standard and solid. That it turned out into an utter domination is testament of his strategic superiority as well.
gg no re thx
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
June 04 2017 11:26 GMT
#434
Took the subway for more than an hour for this
azrael1965
Profile Joined May 2017
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-04 11:36:37
June 04 2017 11:29 GMT
#435
On June 04 2017 20:22 Broodwar4lyf wrote:
Flash can't be beat, good luck JD and Bisu fanboys, tried so hard to believe something new could work vs old fashioned godly mechanics, I guess not

This is Flashs era. But eventually he will be dethroned as well. It's like in Go or Chess where a champion can rule for years and just proves that broodwar has a much higher ceiling then starcraft 2.
But somehow I have the feeling that Flash will be Bonjwa with the longest reign.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4978 Posts
June 04 2017 11:39 GMT
#436
On June 04 2017 20:26 Essbee wrote:
Took the subway for more than an hour for this

Only over an hour? Consider yourself lucky!
FBH #1!
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
June 04 2017 11:50 GMT
#437
Yo to the guys I ran into (300s ticket numbers), PM me and say hi. Sorry for being weird about it, between jet lag and dayquil I'm barely coherent tonight.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-04 11:54:14
June 04 2017 11:53 GMT
#438
FlaSh didn't defeat the Bag of Builds. FlaSh took a finals newbie to a ride and schooled him.

^ lol. Keep safe yo
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19223 Posts
June 04 2017 11:55 GMT
#439
Unfortunately, this finals was too predictable. GGWP Flash.

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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
June 04 2017 11:55 GMT
#440
On June 04 2017 19:55 RowdierBob wrote:
So who of the current crop is good enough to take out Flash in a bo5? I feel maybe Best or Soulkey. Anyone else? And please don't throw Bisu or Last at me.

Best, Last, Effort (why not Bisu on a good day?).
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