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[SSL Classic] S1 Mind vs Soulkey
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EsportsJohn
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chrisolo
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GOGO SK! | ||
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EsportsJohn
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Ej_
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On May 29 2017 19:00 EsportsJohn wrote: I'll also be casting via Twitch if anyone is interested in watching. Unfortunately, couldn't get FlashFTW today. He decided to be lazy and sleep in :p I'm gonna give you a shot  | ||
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Ramiz1989
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[PkF] Wire
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chrisolo
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 GO SOULKEYEdit The orange cloud also known as Dark Swarm is a spell from the Defiler and negates ANY non-melee non-splash damage to units below the dark swarm. | ||
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Ej_
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On May 29 2017 19:39 [PkF] Wire wrote: Pretty interesting game, liked the muta switch. Still didn't really get what the orange clouds exactly do. units under dark swarm don't take damage from ranged attacks | ||
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atrox_
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real bad control from mind across the map in that game. He just kept losing groups of units that were afk | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On May 29 2017 19:39 Ej_ wrote: units under dark swarm don't take damage from ranged attacks thx seems pretty strong vs T | ||
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Ramiz1989
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It is strong against both T and P, but its pretty much the only reason why Z can even play late game against those factions without dying to massive ranged firepower. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 29 2017 19:39 Ej_ wrote: units under dark swarm don't take damage from ranged attacks excepts it's splash damage, then they still take damage | ||
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Heartland
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It is insanely strong. A lot of TvZ is about getting the correct timing with dark swarm to push away one of the main Terran pushes. | ||
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tanngard
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On May 29 2017 19:39 atrox_ wrote: oops, said it in the wrong thread - real bad control from mind across the map in that game. He just kept losing groups of units that were afk "real bad control" interesting words from a foreigner. I'm sure soulkeys multitasking had nothing to do with those groups dying? It was just "real bad control" | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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Ej_
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On May 29 2017 19:43 [PkF] Wire wrote: that looks disastrous for Mind It's awful, he's in a prime spot to lose to a mutalisk all-in now. | ||
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atrox_
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On May 29 2017 19:42 tanngard wrote: "real bad control" interesting words from a foreigner. I'm sure soulkeys multitasking had nothing to do with those groups dying? It was just "real bad control" having groups of 3 vultures dying to lings without even attempting to control them -before- the muta switch? There's no need to be so defensive, just pointing out that mind wasn't playing the greatest | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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xccam
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On May 29 2017 19:48 [PkF] Wire wrote: does SK have to always take a remote third base ? The close one has no gas | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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oh ok | ||
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Ej_
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On May 29 2017 19:48 [PkF] Wire wrote: does SK have to always take a remote third base ? You want to have only 1 ramp to hold with lurkers on most maps. On BS it just happens that the close 3rd has no gas. | ||
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xccam
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On May 29 2017 19:53 [PkF] Wire wrote: Mind has been dead for ages and just struggles to make it look like he's alive right ? Yes. Killing dead terrans is pretty hard. | ||
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atrox_
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On May 29 2017 19:53 [PkF] Wire wrote: Mind has been dead for ages and just struggles to make it look like he's alive right ? it's a mix of mind hanging on and trying to get things done and SK just trying to kill him with mutas/late tech | ||
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Ramiz1989
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[PkF] Wire
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looks like it. He got quite a strong push out of 2 bases vs 4 (although SK just rightfully crushed it) | ||
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Qikz
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He seems to stuggle more against SK Terran. | ||
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tanngard
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On May 29 2017 19:47 atrox_ wrote: having groups of 3 vultures dying to lings without even attempting to control them -before- the muta switch? There's no need to be so defensive, just pointing out that mind wasn't playing the greatest No you werent. Read your post again. You can talk like that if you want, but people on this forum will correct you. Because we care about these players and respect how difficult this game is to play. I'm sure you do too, but your post in question did now show it. And you give no credit to soulkey. Soukey is always doing something that mind has to respond to, how can he then control his vultures perfect? | ||
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EsportsJohn
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Thank you :D. Hopefully my casting wasn't too painful. I still rely on chat a lot to help guide me in the right direction. On May 29 2017 19:42 tanngard wrote: "real bad control" interesting words from a foreigner. I'm sure soulkeys multitasking had nothing to do with those groups dying? It was just "real bad control" Mind didn't play the greatest in this series. I think Soulkey's only weakness is his early game, but he tried out some more aggressive builds in this matchup that covered a lot of those early weaknesses early on. His mid to late game is insane though. When he's allowed to get up to that 4-base economy, Soulkey gets some work done. The series was pretty one-sided, but I think it's still a good one to watch for Zerg players. Aside from having very weird/late tech paths, Soulkey pretty much played perfectly with good flanks and excellent macro. Loved the interview as well. Was really fun to see the player in the next round interview...created a whole new dynamic to it. Soulkey is gonna get some good ZvP practice in against Bisu tomorrow, so I expect he'll do just fine against free on Thursday. | ||
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EsportsJohn
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On May 29 2017 20:09 tanngard wrote: No you werent. Read your post again. You can talk like that if you want, but people on this forum will correct you. Because we care about these players and respect how difficult this game is to play. I'm sure you do too, but your post in question did now show it. And you give no credit to soulkey. Soukey is always doing something that mind has to respond to, how can he then control his vultures perfect? I mean, he's not wrong. In general, I'm not a huge fan of bashing players after the games are over, but it's clear that Mind's play was a little bit off today. It's possible that Soulkey's uncharacteristic early aggression threw him off, but in any case, he really shouldn't have been losing those small groups of vultures or tons of marines in the middle of the map to zerglings. There were a few moments like that vulture drop in Soulkey's 3rd on Neo Jade that were fantastic, but other than that, Mind's play was a little sloppy overall. Poor control and decision making from Mind led to Soulkey getting way stronger leads than he should have. Soulkey played really well today, so I'm looking forward to his matches vs Bisu and free later this week. He's very quickly becoming a top 3 Zerg player while hero and Jaedong stagnate. | ||
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RAPiDCasting
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On May 29 2017 20:02 Terrorbladder wrote: Is that a real desk or a CG desk? It's a real desk! | ||
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EsportsJohn
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L_Master
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On May 29 2017 20:09 tanngard wrote: No you werent. Read your post again. You can talk like that if you want, but people on this forum will correct you. Because we care about these players and respect how difficult this game is to play. I'm sure you do too, but your post in question did now show it. And you give no credit to soulkey. Soukey is always doing something that mind has to respond to, how can he then control his vultures perfect? Nobody said perfect. There is a difference between perfect and not controlled at all. Soulkey's play surely contributed, but Mind's overall gameplay did look sloppy. Moreover, if I don't micro my marine/medic well in one area of the map and lose two groups of bio to a small group of ling/muta, or walk in lurkers...it's still unquestionably poor control from me, and would still be poor control from me even if a contributing factor was that I was also being dark swarmed in my nat and getting attacked at my third. I'm still not sure what "interesting words from a foreigner" is even supposed to mean, and I'm fairly confused why you seemed so hostile in the first place. | ||
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Lebesgue
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On May 29 2017 20:09 tanngard wrote: No you werent. Read your post again. You can talk like that if you want, but people on this forum will correct you. Because we care about these players and respect how difficult this game is to play. I'm sure you do too, but your post in question did now show it. And you give no credit to soulkey. Soukey is always doing something that mind has to respond to, how can he then control his vultures perfect? Dude, you're bashing Soulkey in the other thread for choosing a "poor" spot to morph guardian, which turned out poor only because Flash scanned the right place... And here Mind played really sloppy and you are jumping on the guy who points that. Yes, for a progamer standards, that was poor control. | ||
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tanngard
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On May 30 2017 06:11 Lebesgue wrote: Dude, you're bashing Soulkey in the other thread for choosing a "poor" spot to morph guardian, which turned out poor only because Flash scanned the right place... And here Mind played really sloppy and you are jumping on the guy who points that. Yes, for a progamer standards, that was poor control. I have never bashed Soulkey for anything. Go read my posts from that exhange again. I was bewildered of why he choosed to morph the guardians in that spot, especially since i have seen that kind of thing happening many times. Bewilderment is in part an admission of confusion/lack of competence. If i regret anything, it is that i was showing hostility towards atrox. Even if i took issue with the implications of his message, i'm sure he did not mean anything other than pointing out a mistake so as to try and give meaning to Minds loss. Sorry for that | ||
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On June 01 2017 19:12 TheNewEra wrote: x nice stream link | ||
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gngfn
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This is the best I've seen free play in like six months, damn. | ||
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azrael1965
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On June 01 2017 19:47 gngfn wrote: I think just an oversight, but it would have been a very short thread. This is the best I've seen free play in like six months, damn. Soulkey seemed worn out, 2 ASL and 2 SSL games in 5 days. | ||
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EsportsJohn
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I'll be around for the final of ASL (Flash vs Shine) this Saturday and SSL Classic final (effOrt vs free) the following week, though. @SirGlinG, I'm not uploading VoDs at the moment because I technically don't have permission to cast (especially on Twitch), so I'm being a bit wary of how I advertise it. I may reconsider uploading them after SSL Classic is over. EDIT: For future reference, just search "EsportsTV" in YouTube for the SpoTV streams. | ||
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ShloobeR
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well summary of Soulkey vs Free is something like 'Okay 3 base vs 1 base, I guess I have to break his highground reavers with my hydras for some reason' | ||
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Barneyk
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On June 02 2017 18:05 ShloobeR wrote: hmm well summary of Soulkey vs Free is something like 'Okay 3 base vs 1 base, I guess I have to break his highground reavers with my hydras for some reason' As I understood it, he didn't see that reaver and thought the only reaver was in the shuttle. But I wasn't fully paying attention and I am an awful player myself so I don't know. And unfortunately the casters don't give that kind of insight. Either Soulkey was so sure there was less there defending it than it was or he got distracted by the shuttle at the worst possible time so he completely failed to micro hos hydras trying to break the ramp. He should've backed off when he realized how hard it would be to break but I think it was to late by then. Free had some really sharp play though, but it was a major fail by Soulkey. | ||
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TheNewEra
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On June 02 2017 01:24 EsportsJohn wrote: I slept through the games today and didn't make an LR thread, sorry! Had a headache all day yesterday I'll be around for the final of ASL (Flash vs Shine) this Saturday and SSL Classic final (effOrt vs free) the following week, though. @SirGlinG, I'm not uploading VoDs at the moment because I technically don't have permission to cast (especially on Twitch), so I'm being a bit wary of how I advertise it. I may reconsider uploading them after SSL Classic is over. EDIT: For future reference, just search "EsportsTV" in YouTube for the SpoTV streams. Flash vs Shine is on Sunday btw  | ||
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EsportsJohn
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Yeah, for some reason I was convinced it was Saturday all week lol. All good, though. Looking forward to tonight! :D | ||
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