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[ASL3] Ro8 Mong vs Shine - Page 7

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Levque
Profile Joined October 2016
88 Posts
May 16 2017 11:02 GMT
#121
Shine is so fun to watch. He thinks outside the box.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
May 16 2017 11:03 GMT
#122
On May 16 2017 20:00 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 19:59 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 16 2017 19:58 gngfn wrote:
On May 16 2017 19:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 16 2017 19:55 gngfn wrote:
The more upsetting thing is that it looks like before the drop he was going to go for a Hydra/Guardian strategy and now we won't get to see how it was supposed to look

You were saying?

Imagine how much worse Shine would have dominated with his full economy and not having to remake tech

That just begs the question of how the hell did Mong top his group.

a terrible stork and only needing to practice one matchup in TvP

GuemChi, Jaehoon, BeSt was Mong's group. Stork was already dead in the Ro24.
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Jacenoob
Profile Joined August 2014
299 Posts
May 16 2017 11:03 GMT
#123
Mong seems awful strategically.
My opponent has 24 Zerglings on the map? Better send out a scouting SCV every 5 seconds!
My opponent is all-in on Guardians and they are currently in his main base and I have 3 minutes until they are at my base? No fucking reason to start Wraith production prematurely...
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 11:04:18
May 16 2017 11:03 GMT
#124
What a fantasy timing from Mong

Hopefully it's not gonna be a 3-0 as it is a great day of games so far, Shine is very composed. Was he the one who's in the middle of a divorce?

The heart's eternal vow
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
May 16 2017 11:03 GMT
#125
On May 16 2017 20:02 ShloobeR wrote:
You have to be able to hold 3 gas with the bare minimum of gas usage for quite a long time using that strategy though, it will be interesting to see if more zergs try to figure a way to incorporate that into their play, maybe mass sunkens will make a return

I don't see this working on other maps though.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51289 Posts
May 16 2017 11:03 GMT
#126
calling it now

2port wraith coming this game.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
May 16 2017 11:04 GMT
#127
On May 16 2017 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
calling it now

2port wraith coming this game.

I want to see valk-vulture again after sSak vs JaeDong game tbh.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
YASHSHAKAR
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 11:07:22
May 16 2017 11:05 GMT
#128
This isnt a matter of Mong being bad, this is a matter of shine pulling out all the stops.

Punishing terrans for being soo comfortable with just ground attack units. I love it.

Now they gotta play on the worst possile map for TvZ. Mong better step up or he is DONE.
My wallet for Aiur
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
May 16 2017 11:05 GMT
#129
On May 16 2017 20:00 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 19:59 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 16 2017 19:58 gngfn wrote:
On May 16 2017 19:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 16 2017 19:55 gngfn wrote:
The more upsetting thing is that it looks like before the drop he was going to go for a Hydra/Guardian strategy and now we won't get to see how it was supposed to look

You were saying?

Imagine how much worse Shine would have dominated with his full economy and not having to remake tech

That just begs the question of how the hell did Mong top his group.

a terrible stork and only needing to practice one matchup in TvP

Stork? You mean BeSt right?
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19383 Posts
May 16 2017 11:05 GMT
#130
Shine could go for greater spire again since them map is Outsider. Would be awesome if he can harness his inner (Z)Modesty.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 11:07:02
May 16 2017 11:06 GMT
#131
On May 16 2017 20:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Shine could go for greater spire again since them map is Outsider. Would be awesome if he can harness his inner (Z)Modesty.

I have inner feeling that you imply that greater spire is terrible on this map.

P. S. Hey, i am honest BW noob even though everything annoying works on outsider from what i have seen.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
May 16 2017 11:06 GMT
#132
Mong looks awful vs cheese is because all he needed to win these days vs Z is 5 rax into mech in it always works. Terran can't adapt these days and he is getting punished for that.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
May 16 2017 11:07 GMT
#133
On May 16 2017 20:03 Jacenoob wrote:
Mong seems awful strategically.
My opponent has 24 Zerglings on the map? Better send out a scouting SCV every 5 seconds!
My opponent is all-in on Guardians and they are currently in his main base and I have 3 minutes until they are at my base? No fucking reason to start Wraith production prematurely...

To be fair to the poor guy, he is playing against shine, the guy who literally built a proxy hatch to proxy nydus rush Flash iirc.

The actual incarnation of Evil within Zerg
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 16 2017 11:08 GMT
#134
I'm gonna call it now and say Mong plays ultra safe. Instinct to be safe on the potential last match so Shine exploits it and double expands or something.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51289 Posts
May 16 2017 11:08 GMT
#135
On May 16 2017 20:06 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Shine could go for greater spire again since them map is Outsider. Would be awesome if he can harness his inner (Z)Modesty.

I have inner feeling that you imply that greater spire is terrible on this map.

P. S. Hey, i am honest BW noob even though everything annoying works on outsider from what i have seen.


nah its decent on this map.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Jacenoob
Profile Joined August 2014
299 Posts
May 16 2017 11:09 GMT
#136
On May 16 2017 20:07 Arvendilin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:03 Jacenoob wrote:
Mong seems awful strategically.
My opponent has 24 Zerglings on the map? Better send out a scouting SCV every 5 seconds!
My opponent is all-in on Guardians and they are currently in his main base and I have 3 minutes until they are at my base? No fucking reason to start Wraith production prematurely...

To be fair to the poor guy, he is playing against shine, the guy who literally built a proxy hatch to proxy nydus rush Flash iirc.

The actual incarnation of Evil within Zerg


Yeah, but he also lost that series 3-1, despite a dubious regame...

And sure, you want to scout against Shine, but please use your brain. I mean what was his thought process behind these scouting SCVs?

1st: Ah yeah the Zerglings he made after my Bunker Rush.
2nd: Yep, these same Zerglings killed my SCVs
3rd: Zerglings are still there, just checking.
4th: Oh right, Zerglings.
5th: Just wanna make sure the Zerglings have not disappered.
6th: Yep, still Zerglings on the map killing my SCV. Gained a lot of intel.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19383 Posts
May 16 2017 11:09 GMT
#137
On May 16 2017 20:06 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Shine could go for greater spire again since them map is Outsider. Would be awesome if he can harness his inner (Z)Modesty.

I have inner feeling that you imply that greater spire is terrible on this map.

P. S. Hey, i am honest BW noob even though everything annoying works on outsider from what i have seen.

No, it is a serious comment. It's a good build and one that cost Last a loss recently in ATB to Zero.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
May 16 2017 11:11 GMT
#138
On May 16 2017 20:09 Jacenoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:07 Arvendilin wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:03 Jacenoob wrote:
Mong seems awful strategically.
My opponent has 24 Zerglings on the map? Better send out a scouting SCV every 5 seconds!
My opponent is all-in on Guardians and they are currently in his main base and I have 3 minutes until they are at my base? No fucking reason to start Wraith production prematurely...

To be fair to the poor guy, he is playing against shine, the guy who literally built a proxy hatch to proxy nydus rush Flash iirc.

The actual incarnation of Evil within Zerg


Yeah, but he also lost that series 3-1, despite a dubious regame...

And sure, you want to scout against Shine, but please use your brain. I mean what was his thought process behind these scouting SCVs?

1st: Ah yeah the Zerglings he made after my Bunker Rush.
2nd: Yep, these same Zerglings killed my SCVs
3rd: Zerglings are still there, just checking.
4th: Oh right, Zerglings.
5th: Just wanna make sure the Zerglings have not disappered.
6th: Yep, still Zerglings on the map killing my SCV. Gained a lot of intel.


Ohh ofcourse he is playing good or anything at all, all I'm saying is that I have sympathy for him
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
May 16 2017 11:12 GMT
#139
On May 16 2017 20:09 Jacenoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:07 Arvendilin wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:03 Jacenoob wrote:
Mong seems awful strategically.
My opponent has 24 Zerglings on the map? Better send out a scouting SCV every 5 seconds!
My opponent is all-in on Guardians and they are currently in his main base and I have 3 minutes until they are at my base? No fucking reason to start Wraith production prematurely...

To be fair to the poor guy, he is playing against shine, the guy who literally built a proxy hatch to proxy nydus rush Flash iirc.

The actual incarnation of Evil within Zerg


Yeah, but he also lost that series 3-1, despite a dubious regame...

And sure, you want to scout against Shine, but please use your brain. I mean what was his thought process behind these scouting SCVs?

1st: Ah yeah the Zerglings he made after my Bunker Rush.
2nd: Yep, these same Zerglings killed my SCVs
3rd: Zerglings are still there, just checking.
4th: Oh right, Zerglings.
5th: Just wanna make sure the Zerglings have not disappered.
6th: Yep, still Zerglings on the map killing my SCV. Gained a lot of intel.


And if he didnt scout? Then you would probably say "why didnt he send out SVCs to scout for the strat or fast 3rd gas expos when he is playing against shine known for cheeses". Sigh.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 16 2017 11:13 GMT
#140
that mnm attack ;;
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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