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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
April 18 2017 18:53 GMT
#81
I was actually wondering why all Protosses don't just open corsair/reaver on Outsider. It provides so much pressure while getting a safe expansion up, and it's impossible for Zerg to 100% deflect it like on other maps. From there, you can hypothetically just turtle on cannon/HT until you have a pretty solid army.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
April 18 2017 18:56 GMT
#82
Outsider may create more unusual and entertaining games, but if I had to play it in a major tournament as a protoss player I would be pissed. Its obviously imbalanced in favor of zerg. Camelot also looks like a great map for terran against either race, so Im hoping theyll introduce a protoss favored map for later rounds, but I doubt it lol.
aka DragOn[NaS]
HalcyonRain
Profile Joined March 2017
United States124 Posts
April 18 2017 19:08 GMT
#83
On April 19 2017 02:35 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2017 01:47 HalcyonRain wrote:
On April 18 2017 20:58 ZiggyPG wrote:
what's wrong with rain, he seemed like such a beast back in ASL 2 and the team battle :/


Rain had to play vs Z on Outsider, and Camelot really doesn't look that PvT friendly either (outside of rushes anyway). Nothing wrong with Rain, mostly just the maps I'd say.


Rain didn't perform too well.. I think he went for the fourth too quickly. He already invested heavily on making carriers from three stargates. If he'd delayed the fourth a bit and invested less on cannons and dt's, he should have been able to defend that push. I don't think it was the map that made him lose.

On the game vs hero he lost his reavers without using them well, he also lacked high templars and didnt do good job on harrassing. I'm not saying he had good maps for his match ups, but he definetly could have performed better.


Yea you're right, he did make some mistakes. When a map is favored towards one race I tend to focus on that being the reason they lost rather than any mistakes the player made during the game.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
April 18 2017 19:09 GMT
#84
On April 19 2017 03:56 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
Outsider may create more unusual and entertaining games, but if I had to play it in a major tournament as a protoss player I would be pissed. Its obviously imbalanced in favor of zerg. Camelot also looks like a great map for terran against either race, so Im hoping theyll introduce a protoss favored map for later rounds, but I doubt it lol.


We should lobby for Desperado to make a return.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51608 Posts
April 18 2017 19:59 GMT
#85
4th map is most likely going to be la mancha
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
April 18 2017 20:42 GMT
#86
I don't hurry calling these maps protoss unfriendly. There were 12 protosses who qualified when Outsider used as map (although Camelot wasn't in pool) and more than twice low terrans.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
April 18 2017 20:44 GMT
#87
On April 05 2017 07:04 Aylear wrote:
Group A: (P)Shuttle (Z)Soulkey
Group B: (Z)Shine (P)free
Group C: (P)Bisu (P)Jaehoon
Group D: (Z)hero (P)Rain
Group E: (P)GuemChi (Z)ggaemo
Group F: (T)Last (P)Movie

I like to live dangerously.


I called Bisu and Jaehoon pretty confidently, but just as I start to recoup my losses Group D hits me. It was a toss-up for me between Rain/herO/sSak and therefore much harder to call, but based on his performance on stream lately I went with Rain.

I was not expecting sSak to go beast mode. Really good play by him today.

Happy that herO made it through, but I'm also disappointed that it happened off of Rain not playing well on Outsider. One of these days a Protoss player besides Bisu will do Sair/Reaver correctly and promptly break a good Zerg player on that map, but it was not this day.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10470 Posts
April 19 2017 02:58 GMT
#88
7/8 now god damn it rain whyyyy
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prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
April 19 2017 05:01 GMT
#89
Thanks for all the updates, all

TLPD updated
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RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-19 07:00:52
April 19 2017 06:59 GMT
#90
Honestly although I was cheering for Rain, his play against HerO disappointed me. Despite Outsider being an excellent map for ferrying Zerg units across, Rain kept his Corsair count low and pretty much let Overlords go wherever they wanted, before eventually being forced into getting more Corsairs by Mutalisks. And instead of using the money to tech to High Templars which could defend against drops, he instead pumped out more zealots and dragoons.

It's no wonder he got harassed by drops at every turn.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
April 19 2017 07:59 GMT
#91
Game 1 is soo good.
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
April 19 2017 09:04 GMT
#92
This corsair expand thing doesn't make any sense to me, delay own expo against 3 base zerg just to force a couple of hydras? Idk maybe they're afraid of all-ins or something but they put themselves in losing position from the start every time
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
April 19 2017 10:04 GMT
#93
On April 19 2017 18:04 ortseam wrote:
This corsair expand thing doesn't make any sense to me, delay own expo against 3 base zerg just to force a couple of hydras? Idk maybe they're afraid of all-ins or something but they put themselves in losing position from the start every time


It was a really bizarre build, imo. I guess the difficulty of that map is that Zerg can do mutas, drops, or lurkers, so Protoss has a hard time finding the right tech path to deal with it. I personally like the suggestion by Tasteless to go one-base reaver and at the very least force the Zerg player into making a ton of defense early on while the jumpstarting your tech tree.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
ig0tfish
Profile Joined July 2009
United States345 Posts
April 19 2017 13:30 GMT
#94
How many SC players are there named herO?
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
April 22 2017 04:37 GMT
#95
On April 19 2017 22:30 ig0tfish wrote:
How many SC players are there named herO?

1
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
April 22 2017 04:44 GMT
#96
On April 19 2017 11:58 FlaShFTW wrote:
7/8 now god damn it rain whyyyy

lol

On April 19 2017 14:01 prech wrote:
Thanks for all the updates, all

TLPD updated

Thanks!
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