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On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it.
Really? Wow it would suck if he doesn't participate cause of that. But he must realize he has wayyy more fans than people who complain Terran OP
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Imagine winning a really hard series to see people just shit on you instead of congratulating you.
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On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it.
Out of all the things that could end Flash's pro career, I hope it's not stupid, trolly Internet comments.
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On January 17 2017 22:10 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it. Out of all the things that could end Flash's pro career, I hope it's not stupid, trolly Internet comments.
His pro career already ended. He's not a pro gamer any more. He's am Afreeca BW BJ.
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On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it.
Who are these people? I dont think however the right response is to not participate in any more leagues, because that is what those trolls want. Can they not ban these people from his chat?
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On January 17 2017 22:09 classicyellow83 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it. thats the dumbest thing I've read. stop getting trolled flash. Insensitive comments like what you just said is whats making Flash do this.
its hardly insensitive, hes not blind, he knows for every idiot that comes around to troll him there are a 1000 more that genuinely care for what hes accomplished and respect him, and if hes really not able to see that then we as fans have to do everything in our power to get the message out that the real fans do care.
if you can help us out with that would be wonderful.
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On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it.
Well that's good when he wins vs Sea, they can't cry Terran imba, OP because it'll be a TvT.
Seems like whinning, tbh, I know people like to meme, but Flash is only human, he needs to vent sometimes. I don't see him not participating in future leagues unless he gets drafted.
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Yea I would never take away any of the achievements Flash has had I would never argue he didnt deserve the win. But I mean something as simple as a different map pool or slightly different racial balance and it couldve gone in favor of Jaedong.
It just seems like Zerg has had a lot less dominating players overall and the current state is kinda reflecting that. Id really love to be able to get through some statistics about how many pro players there were for each race and what their statistics were.
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On January 17 2017 22:11 tanngard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it. Who are these people? I dont think however the right response is to not participate in any more leagues, because that is what those trolls want. Can they not ban these people from his chat?
Someone like flash probably has a ton of fans and other people watching his stream. I'm sure it's rough to ban so many when there is a lot (sounds like a lot).
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On January 17 2017 22:11 tanngard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it. Who are these people? I dont think however the right response is to not participate in any more leagues, because that is what those trolls want. Can they not ban these people from his chat?
When it becomes burden and not enjoyable. It's not worth it. He's not a pro gamer any more. He doesn't have to participate in any leagues. When Bisu didn't participate in ASL1 it didn't hurt his views nor balloons received. More importantly, his fans don't want him to participate if Flash doesn't want to.
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On January 17 2017 22:09 classicyellow83 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it. thats the dumbest thing I've read. stop getting trolled flash. Insensitive comments like what you just said is whats making Flash do this.
I think he just wanted to mean - tho expressed it rather harshly - is that Flash should learn to ignore them.
I mean, some ppl may think like that, but the majority does acknowledge his hard work.
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Seen only game 1 so far
Jaedong is SUCH A GREAT PLAYER...
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On January 17 2017 22:16 valas991 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:09 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it. thats the dumbest thing I've read. stop getting trolled flash. Insensitive comments like what you just said is whats making Flash do this. I think he just wanted to mean - tho expressed it rather harshly - is that Flash should learn to ignore them. I mean, some ppl may think like that, but the majority does acknowledge his hard work.
Just ignoring isn't a good solution. And no one can just ignore it when it is this much.
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On January 17 2017 22:17 classicyellow83 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:16 valas991 wrote:On January 17 2017 22:09 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it. thats the dumbest thing I've read. stop getting trolled flash. Insensitive comments like what you just said is whats making Flash do this. I think he just wanted to mean - tho expressed it rather harshly - is that Flash should learn to ignore them. I mean, some ppl may think like that, but the majority does acknowledge his hard work. Just ignoring isn't a good solution.
Sometimes it's the best solution. These trolls just want attentiont and when they don't get any - they stop.
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On January 17 2017 22:14 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:11 tanngard wrote:On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it. Who are these people? I dont think however the right response is to not participate in any more leagues, because that is what those trolls want. Can they not ban these people from his chat? Someone like flash probably has a ton of fans and other people watching his stream. I'm sure it's rough to ban so many when there is a lot (sounds like a lot).
Yeah i guess you are right. I hope that they can listen to the threat from Flash and understand that it is hurting him. A lot of people dont care about other peoples feelings when it is being said on the internet. I hope this can become a wake up call for these people.
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On January 17 2017 22:07 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it. That's actually really depressing. I hope the shit talk doesn't get to him. FlaSh is by far the hardest working player in the game's history and it's shown with his injury and also his massive success.
Exactly. I mean, the doctors basically had to fillet much of his entire upper arm to fix it, and yet he still kept on ticking. Dedication.
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On January 17 2017 22:17 classicyellow83 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:16 valas991 wrote:On January 17 2017 22:09 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it. thats the dumbest thing I've read. stop getting trolled flash. Insensitive comments like what you just said is whats making Flash do this. I think he just wanted to mean - tho expressed it rather harshly - is that Flash should learn to ignore them. I mean, some ppl may think like that, but the majority does acknowledge his hard work. Just ignoring isn't a good solution. And no one can just ignore it when it is this much.
true, then we have to be louder than them, don't we, or at least be more impactful.
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On January 17 2017 22:14 Exosus wrote:
Yea I would never take away any of the achievements Flash has had I would never argue he didnt deserve the win. But I mean something as simple as a different map pool or slightly different racial balance and it couldve gone in favor of Jaedong.
It just seems like Zerg has had a lot less dominating players overall and the current state is kinda reflecting that. Id really love to be able to get through some statistics about how many pro players there were for each race and what their statistics were.
After a series like this is not the best time to start going off on a big, confirmation bias laden search for evidence that supports your initial suspicion. You'll be able to find the stats that support your view if you look hard enough....
No one stat can "prove" balance, but something that manages to be forgotten a lot is that from 2009 till the end of BW in 2012, only Flash and Fantasy made it to an OSL or MSL final out of Terrans, but something like 7 or 8 Zergs made it to a final.
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On January 17 2017 22:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:08 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Guys as a community, do you think we have the power to encourage corporate sponsors? corporate sponsors have been encouraged, KT is sponsoring this ASL.
GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!! Link man?
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On January 17 2017 22:20 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 22:08 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Guys as a community, do you think we have the power to encourage corporate sponsors? corporate sponsors have been encouraged, KT is sponsoring this ASL. GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!! Link man?
just look at the banner in the OP
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