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On August 22 2016 20:54 tanngard wrote:
Flash is best in everything, except for mentality. Probably the weakest mentality of all the 6 bonjwas. Have he ever turned around a series in any memorable fashion? Obviously he was so good he usually didn't have to.
Interesting point - I went back out of interest, and I could only find him coming back from being 2-1 down in a bo5 once, against Stork in 2008. He has never been down 0-2 and still won in Brood War. The only time he did so was against Snute in IEM Toronto.
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At least we got fresh blood in BW? Last is young right?
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On August 22 2016 22:02 Neemi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 20:54 tanngard wrote:
Flash is best in everything, except for mentality. Probably the weakest mentality of all the 6 bonjwas. Have he ever turned around a series in any memorable fashion? Obviously he was so good he usually didn't have to. Interesting point - I went back out of interest, and I could only find him coming back from being 2-1 down in a bo5 once, against Stork in 2008. He has never been down 0-2 and still won in Brood War. The only time he did so was against Snute in IEM Toronto.
Thank you for checking that. I could never recall him ever doing that you see. He always took the lead in a series so he had a great mentality and focus on the game going into a BOX. But speaking of comebacks, Flash could do it INSIDE a game. I guess that speaks for a certain good mentality, but between games, if things dont go his way, he can tilt harder than the other champions it seems.
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Sanya12364 Posts
On August 22 2016 21:25 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 21:19 tanngard wrote:
The 6 greatest players of all time are Boxer, Nada, iloveoov, Savior, Jaedong, Flash. Maybe bonjwa mean something else. I dont care I would add Stork and Bisu as well. Not as many accomplishments but similarly insane players.
Ugh fans of protoss players...
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On August 22 2016 22:23 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 21:25 Miragee wrote:On August 22 2016 21:19 tanngard wrote:
The 6 greatest players of all time are Boxer, Nada, iloveoov, Savior, Jaedong, Flash. Maybe bonjwa mean something else. I dont care I would add Stork and Bisu as well. Not as many accomplishments but similarly insane players. Ugh fans of protoss players...
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On August 22 2016 22:10 tumejoramigo wrote:
At least we got fresh blood in BW? Last is young right?
Not particular young anymore. He is born in 1992 so he is the same age as Flash. Last was a pro back in the day and had quite a talent actually. He is not fresh blood so to speak, but he seems to be a late bloomer of sorts.
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omg Flash got liretally shat on
thats what happen when you become a ladder hero
huehue
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
On August 22 2016 22:27 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
omg Flash got liretally shat on
thats what happen when you become a ladder hero
huehue
except last is higher on the ladder and most metrics follow bet matches, which is pretty much on the same level as the real thing.
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On August 22 2016 21:37 _Animus_ wrote:
havent watched this yet but i get the feeling that flash will be stomped.
lol
First game: all Last need is an scv and dropship and he owns flash. Its insane how much levels last is above Flash right now. I expected 3-1 for last but it might just be 3-0.
If you havent noticed from all the ex pros Flash is the one who jumped right into the competition, without the usual time for preparation that others spent before going into tournaments, i hope he will get better than this.
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
On August 22 2016 22:39 _Animus_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 21:37 _Animus_ wrote:
havent watched this yet but i get the feeling that flash will be stomped. lol First game: all Last need is an scv and dropship and he owns flash. Its insane how much levels last is above Flash right now. I expected 3-1 for last but it might just be 3-0. If you havent noticed from all the ex pros Flash is the one who jumped right into the competition, without the usual time for preparation that others spent before going into tournaments, i hope he will get better than this.
Bisu jumped right in to tbh, but the level of talent was definitely lower at the time of his return.
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On August 22 2016 22:21 tanngard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 22:02 Neemi wrote:On August 22 2016 20:54 tanngard wrote:
Flash is best in everything, except for mentality. Probably the weakest mentality of all the 6 bonjwas. Have he ever turned around a series in any memorable fashion? Obviously he was so good he usually didn't have to. Interesting point - I went back out of interest, and I could only find him coming back from being 2-1 down in a bo5 once, against Stork in 2008. He has never been down 0-2 and still won in Brood War. The only time he did so was against Snute in IEM Toronto. Thank you for checking that. I could never recall him ever doing that you see. He always took the lead in a series so he had a great mentality and focus on the game going into a BOX. But speaking of comebacks, Flash could do it INSIDE a game. I guess that speaks for a certain good mentality, but between games, if things dont go his way, he can tilt harder than the other champions it seems. I dont think he really had a bad mentality at all, I mean, he won so many championships how could he...flashes only real fault imo is that he often falls into predictable patterns. Like, christ, the dude was going 14cc every single game regardless of matchup for weeks at one point back in 2008, and he repeated that cycle a few times in his career. He would just get stuck on these obvious loops. Maybe thats a mentality weakness and maybe thats why he never turns around series hes losing, though? He's a little robotic.On August 22 2016 22:44 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 22:39 _Animus_ wrote:On August 22 2016 21:37 _Animus_ wrote:
havent watched this yet but i get the feeling that flash will be stomped. lol First game: all Last need is an scv and dropship and he owns flash. Its insane how much levels last is above Flash right now. I expected 3-1 for last but it might just be 3-0. If you havent noticed from all the ex pros Flash is the one who jumped right into the competition, without the usual time for preparation that others spent before going into tournaments, i hope he will get better than this. Bisu jumped right in to tbh, but the level of talent was definitely lower at the time of his return. Bisu also seemed to hate sc2 alot more than flash did. He probably was just less out of practice in general.
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
On August 22 2016 22:56 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 22:21 tanngard wrote:On August 22 2016 22:02 Neemi wrote:On August 22 2016 20:54 tanngard wrote:
Flash is best in everything, except for mentality. Probably the weakest mentality of all the 6 bonjwas. Have he ever turned around a series in any memorable fashion? Obviously he was so good he usually didn't have to. Interesting point - I went back out of interest, and I could only find him coming back from being 2-1 down in a bo5 once, against Stork in 2008. He has never been down 0-2 and still won in Brood War. The only time he did so was against Snute in IEM Toronto. Thank you for checking that. I could never recall him ever doing that you see. He always took the lead in a series so he had a great mentality and focus on the game going into a BOX. But speaking of comebacks, Flash could do it INSIDE a game. I guess that speaks for a certain good mentality, but between games, if things dont go his way, he can tilt harder than the other champions it seems. I dont think he really had a bad mentality at all, I mean, he won so many championships how could he...flashes only real fault imo is that he often falls into predictable patterns. Like, christ, the dude was going 14cc every single game regardless of matchup for weeks at one point back in 2008, and he repeated that cycle a few times in his career. He would just get stuck on these obvious loops. Maybe thats a mentality weakness and maybe thats why he never turns around series hes losing, though? He's a little robotic. Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 22:44 BisuDagger wrote:On August 22 2016 22:39 _Animus_ wrote:On August 22 2016 21:37 _Animus_ wrote:
havent watched this yet but i get the feeling that flash will be stomped. lol First game: all Last need is an scv and dropship and he owns flash. Its insane how much levels last is above Flash right now. I expected 3-1 for last but it might just be 3-0. If you havent noticed from all the ex pros Flash is the one who jumped right into the competition, without the usual time for preparation that others spent before going into tournaments, i hope he will get better than this. Bisu jumped right in to tbh, but the level of talent was definitely lower at the time of his return. Bisu also seemed to hate sc2 alot more than flash did. He probably was just less out of practice in general.
Jaedong spoke about becoming more nervous as he has gotten older as a gamer. It could be similar for Flash.
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On August 22 2016 23:53 c3rberUs wrote:The term bonjwa should only be used for the original man + Show Spoiler + sAviOr or to be even more OG, then July. Dayum Essbee pimping around with AlphaGo 
This is the best linear graph ever:
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/8/84/Bonjwa2.png)
Propst to Savior, the #1 skilled player of all time (For a short period of time). Flash being the #1 of winning and my favourite player.
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Hype train derailed 
But at least the Proleague series went well
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Unexpected results for sure, but to me, if Flash had to be eliminated from this tournament it had to be by a Terran.
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On August 23 2016 02:10 endy wrote:
Unexpected results for sure, but to me, if Flash had to be eliminated from this tournament it had to be by a Terran.
Deja vu.
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I don't believe what was that? When I opened VOD I saw 1 and half hour timeline, seems to be really quick paced for TvT which means someone got 3-0'ed but even for million bucks I won't bet against Flash, 3-0ing God is impossible for human being. Do you realize what you created God?
In other hand I saw Last today in my dream, we had a talk, really weird, I never see any progamers in my dreams, I don't ever met any of them lol. Maybe that was a sign from above. Well done AlphaGo!
If Last beats on finals undefeated our new God gonna be a computer AI!
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Flash looked as if he wasn't prepared. Last play wasn't the best TvT I've seen but it was just enough and that's why this series looks really disappointing.
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EPT
