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On July 17 2016 21:30 Epithet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:On July 17 2016 21:27 r33k wrote:
The resolution is so high you can see the pixels on the sides of the spider mines and see who they belong to. wow are people coming back to watch BW after so long they're not used to high quality streams, I'll be honest there something comforting about watching it in lower quality on purpose. Here comes konadra to cast in LQ for us lol
Nanashin pirate streams if it screws up LOOOL
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fucking piece of shit spoiler! how the fuck shuttle won? I did not see the game and was planing on watching it later. WTF.
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On July 17 2016 21:34 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:30 Epithet wrote:On July 17 2016 21:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:On July 17 2016 21:27 r33k wrote:
The resolution is so high you can see the pixels on the sides of the spider mines and see who they belong to. wow are people coming back to watch BW after so long they're not used to high quality streams, I'll be honest there something comforting about watching it in lower quality on purpose. Here comes konadra to cast in LQ for us lol Nanashin pirate streams if it screws up LOOOL
nanashin and cranton were HQ
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On July 17 2016 21:35 Wrath wrote:
fucking piece of shit spoiler! how the fuck shuttle won? I did not see the game and was planing on watching it later. WTF.
effort 5pooled
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On July 17 2016 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:34 Ciryandor wrote:On July 17 2016 21:30 Epithet wrote:On July 17 2016 21:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:On July 17 2016 21:27 r33k wrote:
The resolution is so high you can see the pixels on the sides of the spider mines and see who they belong to. wow are people coming back to watch BW after so long they're not used to high quality streams, I'll be honest there something comforting about watching it in lower quality on purpose. Here comes konadra to cast in LQ for us lol Nanashin pirate streams if it screws up LOOOL nanashin and cranton were HQ
I put both of them on LQ, but they were still better than Kona half of the time in terms of reliability.
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On July 17 2016 21:33 r33k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:31 classicyellow83 wrote:On July 17 2016 21:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Last is the strongest terran in the tournament. Is that why all the players picked Flash as the scariest opponent? That's just because it's a lan. If you've seen them play Flash has been thoroughly unimpressive since his return.
Flash has been what? He started destroying people immediately upon his return, Best seems to be the only guy consistently giving him troubles.
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On July 17 2016 21:21 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:14 letian wrote:On July 17 2016 21:08 darktreb wrote:
Great game (both play and plan) by Zero. He showed why in terms of pure skill he's as good as any Zerg has ever been, right up there with Jaedong and Effort.
But, there's something fatalistic about Zero's play, like he doesn't quite believe he's as good as Flash or Jaedong. You can never be confident watching Zero in a game against a similarly skilled player, because you can kind of tell he's not that confident. If Zero had Jaedong's mental strength / confidence he might well have been a multiple MSL/OSL winner.
Zero's still a great player. He's certainly one of the top 10 Zerg players of all time in my book, and there's an outside case to be made that he's top 5, though it's hard to put him over any of Jaedong, Savior, Yellow, July, or Effort, and there's still guys like Chojja to account for. Tastosis didn't do him justice in the introductions because of all the gushing over Flash, though in fairness, that was totally deserved as well. The softness of Zero is renown and probably the reason why he was not as successful as other greatest players. Should I mention Sea? Another great player with mentality problems. Yeah though in fairness to Zero, I think he's like 10x the mental strength of Sea. But that says more about how pitiful Sea's mental "strength" is. Both are prime examples of unfulfilled potential, though Zero's always bugged me more simply because he was closer to being truly great. A fully potential reached Zero would have been a great complement to Jaedong and Effort as all three have different styles. Whereas it's hard to imagine even a peak potential Sea being any better than 80% Flash.
Don't forget about Soulkey, who was thought to be the next successful reincarnation of Zero.
And where is he now? That guy was brilliant and probably the next Zerg champion to be...
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Did I miss it all  ?
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On July 17 2016 21:39 GumBa wrote:Did I miss it all ?
yes .
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On July 17 2016 21:39 amazingxkcd wrote:yes .
Fuck I knew I was forgetting something all morning but only now just realised what
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On July 17 2016 21:40 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:39 amazingxkcd wrote:On July 17 2016 21:39 GumBa wrote:Did I miss it all ? yes . Fuck I knew I was forgetting something all morning but only now just realised what
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On July 17 2016 21:37 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:On July 17 2016 21:34 Ciryandor wrote:On July 17 2016 21:30 Epithet wrote:On July 17 2016 21:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:On July 17 2016 21:27 r33k wrote:
The resolution is so high you can see the pixels on the sides of the spider mines and see who they belong to. wow are people coming back to watch BW after so long they're not used to high quality streams, I'll be honest there something comforting about watching it in lower quality on purpose. Here comes konadra to cast in LQ for us lol Nanashin pirate streams if it screws up LOOOL nanashin and cranton were HQ I put both of them on LQ, but they were still better than Kona half of the time in terms of reliability.
Xsebt was perfect for me, as well as fedori (didn't like him streaming the fat girl eating though).
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our VODs are up [http://afreeca.tv/36846806/v/38908
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On July 17 2016 21:39 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:33 r33k wrote:On July 17 2016 21:31 classicyellow83 wrote:On July 17 2016 21:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Last is the strongest terran in the tournament. Is that why all the players picked Flash as the scariest opponent? That's just because it's a lan. If you've seen them play Flash has been thoroughly unimpressive since his return. Flash has been what? He started destroying people immediately upon his return, Best seems to be the only guy consistently giving him troubles.
BeSt's style has always been troublesome for Flash. It's always been a strategic outmaneuver that wins the game in those cases.
On July 17 2016 21:39 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:21 darktreb wrote:On July 17 2016 21:14 letian wrote:On July 17 2016 21:08 darktreb wrote:
Great game (both play and plan) by Zero. He showed why in terms of pure skill he's as good as any Zerg has ever been, right up there with Jaedong and Effort.
But, there's something fatalistic about Zero's play, like he doesn't quite believe he's as good as Flash or Jaedong. You can never be confident watching Zero in a game against a similarly skilled player, because you can kind of tell he's not that confident. If Zero had Jaedong's mental strength / confidence he might well have been a multiple MSL/OSL winner.
Zero's still a great player. He's certainly one of the top 10 Zerg players of all time in my book, and there's an outside case to be made that he's top 5, though it's hard to put him over any of Jaedong, Savior, Yellow, July, or Effort, and there's still guys like Chojja to account for. Tastosis didn't do him justice in the introductions because of all the gushing over Flash, though in fairness, that was totally deserved as well. The softness of Zero is renown and probably the reason why he was not as successful as other greatest players. Should I mention Sea? Another great player with mentality problems. Yeah though in fairness to Zero, I think he's like 10x the mental strength of Sea. But that says more about how pitiful Sea's mental "strength" is. Both are prime examples of unfulfilled potential, though Zero's always bugged me more simply because he was closer to being truly great. A fully potential reached Zero would have been a great complement to Jaedong and Effort as all three have different styles. Whereas it's hard to imagine even a peak potential Sea being any better than 80% Flash. Don't forget about Soulkey, who was thought to be the next successful reincarnation of Zero. And where is he now? That guy was brilliant and probably the next Zerg champion to be...
Didn't SoulKey get some success in SC2 and thus is still playing there?
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On July 17 2016 21:42 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:39 juvenal wrote:On July 17 2016 21:33 r33k wrote:On July 17 2016 21:31 classicyellow83 wrote:On July 17 2016 21:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Last is the strongest terran in the tournament. Is that why all the players picked Flash as the scariest opponent? That's just because it's a lan. If you've seen them play Flash has been thoroughly unimpressive since his return. Flash has been what? He started destroying people immediately upon his return, Best seems to be the only guy consistently giving him troubles. BeSt's style has always been troublesome for Flash. It's always been a strategic outmaneuver that wins the game in those cases. Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:39 letian wrote:On July 17 2016 21:21 darktreb wrote:On July 17 2016 21:14 letian wrote:On July 17 2016 21:08 darktreb wrote:
Great game (both play and plan) by Zero. He showed why in terms of pure skill he's as good as any Zerg has ever been, right up there with Jaedong and Effort.
But, there's something fatalistic about Zero's play, like he doesn't quite believe he's as good as Flash or Jaedong. You can never be confident watching Zero in a game against a similarly skilled player, because you can kind of tell he's not that confident. If Zero had Jaedong's mental strength / confidence he might well have been a multiple MSL/OSL winner.
Zero's still a great player. He's certainly one of the top 10 Zerg players of all time in my book, and there's an outside case to be made that he's top 5, though it's hard to put him over any of Jaedong, Savior, Yellow, July, or Effort, and there's still guys like Chojja to account for. Tastosis didn't do him justice in the introductions because of all the gushing over Flash, though in fairness, that was totally deserved as well. The softness of Zero is renown and probably the reason why he was not as successful as other greatest players. Should I mention Sea? Another great player with mentality problems. Yeah though in fairness to Zero, I think he's like 10x the mental strength of Sea. But that says more about how pitiful Sea's mental "strength" is. Both are prime examples of unfulfilled potential, though Zero's always bugged me more simply because he was closer to being truly great. A fully potential reached Zero would have been a great complement to Jaedong and Effort as all three have different styles. Whereas it's hard to imagine even a peak potential Sea being any better than 80% Flash. Don't forget about Soulkey, who was thought to be the next successful reincarnation of Zero. And where is he now? That guy was brilliant and probably the next Zerg champion to be... Didn't SoulKey get some success in SC2 and thus is still playing there?
Losing his bo4 to Keen (who retired recently), Super and bo3 to Byun does not look like he has success, at least in LOTV. He was promising in HOTS but then he just disappeared (correct me if I am wrong).
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On July 17 2016 21:45 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:42 Ciryandor wrote:On July 17 2016 21:39 juvenal wrote:On July 17 2016 21:33 r33k wrote:On July 17 2016 21:31 classicyellow83 wrote:On July 17 2016 21:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Last is the strongest terran in the tournament. Is that why all the players picked Flash as the scariest opponent? That's just because it's a lan. If you've seen them play Flash has been thoroughly unimpressive since his return. Flash has been what? He started destroying people immediately upon his return, Best seems to be the only guy consistently giving him troubles. BeSt's style has always been troublesome for Flash. It's always been a strategic outmaneuver that wins the game in those cases. On July 17 2016 21:39 letian wrote:On July 17 2016 21:21 darktreb wrote:On July 17 2016 21:14 letian wrote:On July 17 2016 21:08 darktreb wrote:
Great game (both play and plan) by Zero. He showed why in terms of pure skill he's as good as any Zerg has ever been, right up there with Jaedong and Effort.
But, there's something fatalistic about Zero's play, like he doesn't quite believe he's as good as Flash or Jaedong. You can never be confident watching Zero in a game against a similarly skilled player, because you can kind of tell he's not that confident. If Zero had Jaedong's mental strength / confidence he might well have been a multiple MSL/OSL winner.
Zero's still a great player. He's certainly one of the top 10 Zerg players of all time in my book, and there's an outside case to be made that he's top 5, though it's hard to put him over any of Jaedong, Savior, Yellow, July, or Effort, and there's still guys like Chojja to account for. Tastosis didn't do him justice in the introductions because of all the gushing over Flash, though in fairness, that was totally deserved as well. The softness of Zero is renown and probably the reason why he was not as successful as other greatest players. Should I mention Sea? Another great player with mentality problems. Yeah though in fairness to Zero, I think he's like 10x the mental strength of Sea. But that says more about how pitiful Sea's mental "strength" is. Both are prime examples of unfulfilled potential, though Zero's always bugged me more simply because he was closer to being truly great. A fully potential reached Zero would have been a great complement to Jaedong and Effort as all three have different styles. Whereas it's hard to imagine even a peak potential Sea being any better than 80% Flash. Don't forget about Soulkey, who was thought to be the next successful reincarnation of Zero. And where is he now? That guy was brilliant and probably the next Zerg champion to be... Didn't SoulKey get some success in SC2 and thus is still playing there? Losing his bo4 to Keen (who retired recently), Super and bo3 to Byun does not look like he has success, at least in LOTV. He was promising in HOTS but then he just disappeared (correct me if I am wrong).
He had a year where he was a perennial contender, but that was the height of Swarm Host shenanigans so meh.
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I missed only Effort - Shuttle (5 pool seriously?).
Sharp - Organ -- was a poor game, where Organ could not do anything special and Sharp just slowly rolled him over.
Zero - Flash -- good game with tons of gore and late game BW niceness, Flash macro won.
Last - Mong -- Last just straight outplayed Mong through sheer micro and didn't let it go till the end.
Nice day, it is also pleasant to see Artosis/Tastless say so much good words about BW.
I feel like Artosis didn't expect that he would enjoy it so much.
BW hits the spot no matter how long you haven't played it.
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On July 17 2016 21:39 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 21:33 r33k wrote:On July 17 2016 21:31 classicyellow83 wrote:On July 17 2016 21:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Last is the strongest terran in the tournament. Is that why all the players picked Flash as the scariest opponent? That's just because it's a lan. If you've seen them play Flash has been thoroughly unimpressive since his return. Flash has been what? He started destroying people immediately upon his return, Best seems to be the only guy consistently giving him troubles.
Best and shuttle are the only ones with winning record against Flash since Flash came back to bw. But even that gap has been slowing narrowing.
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Zero played fantastically but:
- There's been talk about using hydras to clear really big minefields very efficiently and also to be able to take extra bases more easily (Hero's tried it a few times).
In my opinion there's a lot of promise in this.
- I was begging for queens but I guess he was just too tight on resources and flash was too much in his face.
- If there are almost no turrets a mutalisk switch can do quite a lot of damage especially when there's 3 gas bases quite close together like on fighting spirit and overwatch.
The problem in my opinion in most games is if you go for a lot of drops, terrans already start building a lot of turrets and then a muta switch isn't even possible anymore.
Sick games, going to check out Effort vs Shuttle now because I missed it haha.
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I can't find the post, but someone gave some criticism that they should plug teamliquid so fresh blood / getting interested in the scene could get answers. I tweeted Artosis & Tasteless that they should plug TL more, and they both favorited that tweet.
So hopefully they'll do that for future broadcasts and we'll get more people coming here to get BW information.
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