EPTOn July 17 2016 21:05 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
tasteless' knowledge is better than artosis - which is the funny thing!
tasteless' knowledge is better than artosis - which is the funny thing!
not surprising, hes been playing on fish.
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not surprising, hes been playing on fish. | ||
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Caspas
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On July 17 2016 21:05 Charoisaur wrote: to me as a sc2 noob it looked like zero was winning the whole time, taking good engagement after good engagement. what made flash win this? Should be his stupidly over the top macro plus zero making equally Bad mistakes as flash. | ||
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Cele
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On July 17 2016 21:05 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: tasteless' knowledge is better than artosis - which is the funny thing! yeah :D But Tasteless is known to have kept a very close touch with the community. He played on FISH in the past (and streamed some) and by the insider jokes he makes, i assume he still reads this forum. Im not sure but my general impression is Artosis has more to catch up with (; | ||
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gngfn
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On July 17 2016 21:06 Cele wrote: if you are aware of mech switches TvZ and gate first builds pvz, not that much. TvT has shifted a lot away from the BC centered lategame Tastosis mentioned to the use of wraith and sometimes valks to counter wraith. mass Drop play isn't seen a lot anymore in TvT This is starting to change again, though. Last often sticks with bio late into TvZs and does more of a "soft" mech switch backed up by the constant bio pressure. Flash has been experimenting with TvT styles that get wraiths very late or not at all, relying on turrets to protect a larger ground army that controls space and chokes off the other player. There's definitely still stuff happening, which is impressive given that people have been playing the same maps for 6-7 years. | ||
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darktreb
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But, there's something fatalistic about Zero's play, like he doesn't quite believe he's as good as Flash or Jaedong. You can never be confident watching Zero in a game against a similarly skilled player, because you can kind of tell he's not that confident. If Zero had Jaedong's mental strength / confidence he might well have been a multiple MSL/OSL winner. Zero's still a great player. He's certainly one of the top 10 Zerg players of all time in my book, and there's an outside case to be made that he's top 5, though it's hard to put him over any of Jaedong, Savior, Yellow, July, or Effort, and there's still guys like Chojja to account for. Tastosis didn't do him justice in the introductions because of all the gushing over Flash, though in fairness, that was totally deserved as well. | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:05 Charoisaur wrote: to me as a sc2 noob it looked like zero was winning the whole time, taking good engagement after good engagement. what made flash win this? Zero missed his mutalisk timing and didnt have enough overlord presence to clear mines, also he needed more queens or doom drop | ||
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On July 17 2016 21:06 Cele wrote: if you are aware of mech switches TvZ and gate first builds pvz, not that much. TvT has shifted a lot away from the BC centered lategame Tastosis mentioned to the use of wraith and sometimes valks to counter wraith. mass Drop play isn't seen a lot anymore in TvT Mech switches started I believe in 2010? Gate first PvZ i remember went from non-existent to extremely rare at the end. Is it more common now? And why? I remember the TvT metagame switch from Drops into BCs to Wraiths/Valk happening between 2010 to 2012. I asked around back then though and no one could tell me why the switch was happening. Anyone have an answer now? Also, I remember Zero used to get mass Queens in ZvT vs Tanks, but in very rare games. Does he do this as a standard now? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 21:11 letian wrote: ooh, how did Effort lose to Shuttle :D? catch the vod it was a pretty hectic game. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On July 17 2016 21:08 darktreb wrote: Great game (both play and plan) by Zero. He showed why in terms of pure skill he's as good as any Zerg has ever been, right up there with Jaedong and Effort. But, there's something fatalistic about Zero's play, like he doesn't quite believe he's as good as Flash or Jaedong. You can never be confident watching Zero in a game against a similarly skilled player, because you can kind of tell he's not that confident. If Zero had Jaedong's mental strength / confidence he might well have been a multiple MSL/OSL winner. Zero's still a great player. He's certainly one of the top 10 Zerg players of all time in my book, and there's an outside case to be made that he's top 5, though it's hard to put him over any of Jaedong, Savior, Yellow, July, or Effort, and there's still guys like Chojja to account for. Tastosis didn't do him justice in the introductions because of all the gushing over Flash, though in fairness, that was totally deserved as well. The softness of Zero is renown and probably the reason why he was not as successful as other greatest players. Should I mention Sea? Another great player with mentality problems. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 21:12 monk wrote: Mech switches started I believe in 2010? Also, I remember Zero used to get mass Queens in ZvT vs Tanks, but in very rare games. Does he do this as a standard now? its a lot more common now, effort does it a lot more than anyone else. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 17 2016 21:14 Slayer91 wrote: guys I slept in and missed flash and effort play are tastosis vods gonna be out? yeah they will be on the afreeca youtube channel plus afreeca does save stream vods too, so you can watch them as soon as the stream is done. | ||
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