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B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 19:36:23
December 18 2015 19:36 GMT
#281
My opponent (t0ssboy) and I (CrispyDrone) have contacted each other but it's highly likely that we won't be able to play before next week. Would this still be acceptable?
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Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
December 18 2015 21:55 GMT
#282
On December 19 2015 04:36 B-royal wrote:
My opponent (t0ssboy) and I (CrispyDrone) have contacted each other but it's highly likely that we won't be able to play before next week. Would this still be acceptable?

I think it’s not to far-fetched to say: yes.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
Fazers
Profile Joined August 2013
737 Posts
December 18 2015 22:28 GMT
#283
Shimy, you alive?
AmatistA
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany113 Posts
December 18 2015 22:44 GMT
#284
Shimy!!!!!!! where are you?
This little bastard is Sieges addicted! cause I love the sound of the siege tank mode so you don't ? hear and feel my favorite sound ... didn't you hear? you realize that you have no units anymore!!!!
SWAT-Kat
Profile Joined July 2011
United States311 Posts
December 19 2015 03:13 GMT
#285
On December 18 2015 08:21 Falling wrote:
If he doesn't respond, I'll take a sub, but I'd prefer to play Terran, else this will be the second league in a row I have not gotten to play my strongest match up But to play is better than not to play.


Well, for your sake, I hope he responds because zs-Adun and I are the only other D-rankers on the team :/
PH.XtinC
Profile Joined November 2015
Philippines11 Posts
December 19 2015 05:13 GMT
#286
On December 19 2015 12:13 SWAT-Kat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 08:21 Falling wrote:
If he doesn't respond, I'll take a sub, but I'd prefer to play Terran, else this will be the second league in a row I have not gotten to play my strongest match up But to play is better than not to play.


Well, for your sake, I hope he responds because zs-Adun and I are the only other D-rankers on the team :/


I'm also a D-ranked player.. so far I only played once this league
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11341 Posts
December 19 2015 11:04 GMT
#287
I've played almost all of my matches (3/4). The draw between me and jiexian was due to technical difficulty/scheduling issues. I initially had the impression it was mostly like that with the others :/
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11592 Posts
December 19 2015 17:26 GMT
#288
On December 19 2015 12:13 SWAT-Kat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 08:21 Falling wrote:
If he doesn't respond, I'll take a sub, but I'd prefer to play Terran, else this will be the second league in a row I have not gotten to play my strongest match up But to play is better than not to play.


Well, for your sake, I hope he responds because zs-Adun and I are the only other D-rankers on the team :/

Well, at this point I'm getting no response, so I'll take the sub. Ideally we can play relatively soon because I am on holidays now, but closer to Christmas I'm going to get really, really busy.
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evilEye_
Profile Joined October 2014
United States91 Posts
December 19 2015 19:03 GMT
#289
Is this league still active? I have not seen a new "matchup" in 2 weeks I think..
Real Eyes Realize Real Lies.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11592 Posts
December 19 2015 20:15 GMT
#290
There should not be any new matchups because we are trying to play out the final week- the league was only 5 weeks long.

Teams will rotate Round Robin style each week. This means each team will play each other over the course of 5 weeks. Each win per player counts as 1 point. After 5 weeks, the Amateur TeamLeague's organization will evaluate the position of the league a determine how to move forward.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2610 Posts
December 20 2015 18:35 GMT
#291
Well Shimy did not even post the match-up for the week 5 yet, so I doubt he ll organize the play offs.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10357 Posts
December 20 2015 19:32 GMT
#292
grrgg, you stepped up earlier, any updates? What are the teams who did not get an opponent W5 going to do? How will play-offs be seeded? Are there play-offs at all? ):
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
December 21 2015 03:36 GMT
#293
On December 21 2015 04:32 Jealous wrote:
grrgg, you stepped up earlier, any updates? What are the teams who did not get an opponent W5 going to do? How will play-offs be seeded? Are there play-offs at all? ):


...
I never received any lineups from bunny slayers and sexy gladiators. Maybe they had them sent to shimy, maybe not. With the upcoming holiday, I don't think that there is any reason to pp any further, so the opponents of those teams should get w/o for last week.

I don't think there were any play-offs planned. If I recall correctly, there were 5 weeks of play scheduled and depending on activity and interest of the players/teams, a second round and/or play-offs could have been added.
A second round seems absolutely unreasonable at this point.

If people are interested, we can do play-offs. Those would need to be the third weekend of next year the earliest, since I can imagine that a lot of players will not be able to play in the following few weeks.
As far as the participating teams in the potential play-offs are concerned, it would be the best if we the captains could provide and update list of their teams results (at least the ones missing from liquipedia). Feel free to claim w/o for any opponents not showing up, pp till after christmas would be pointless.
I can only assume that sexy gladiators will neither make the cut nor have any interest to play in play-offs.
At least on bunny slayers nearly everybody has a TL id, so if they actually make the top4 and somebody feels like submitting their lineups they could play in the play-offs. However, currently it looks like there are only 4 teams available for the play-offs anyway.
Updated results would help with the seeding. I would suggest a single elimination bracket with the final 4 teams with 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd.

Of course, we can also just end the league now. Winning team being the one with the most points.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10357 Posts
December 21 2015 07:42 GMT
#294
On December 10 2015 04:07 Jealous wrote:
Here are all of NWA (formerly Club StarCraft) results:

+ Show Spoiler [Week 1 vs. DeSPA] +

Melchsee <Fighting Spirit> Biolunar Draw
crimson0011 <New Heartbreak Ridge> JXB ( v ) Draw
tru]irish <Shadowplay> LTY
f10esQQ <Demian> Artanis
sGs.BaBo <Colosseum II> Art_Of_Turtle
( v ) Fazers[PaiN] <Match Point> Fischei

We get 1 point.


+ Show Spoiler [Week 2 vs. WeMadeC] +

Crimson001<New Heartbreak Ridge> EmptyCup
Melchsee<Shadowplay> Master_Soul We are giving WMC a W/O here.
Tru]Irish <Demian> evilEye
[SD]RoLLeR<Colosseum II> CoughingHydra
eSpi.LoCcxito <Match Point> CrispyDrone There were technical difficulties here that have gone unresolved. We are asking for a Draw.
Fazers[PaiN] <Blue Storm> Kororo We are claiming a W/O here.

We get 4 points.


+ Show Spoiler [Week 3 vs. Stealth Bunnies] +

sB.smallBALLS <Shadowplay> crimson0011
sB.Passafist <Demian> nDie.XtinC
sB.EMPaTHY <Colosseum II> tru]irish
sB.Icedraco <Match Point> Rlentless
sB.Birdie <Blue Storm> f10eqq
sB.SpongeBOZZ <Heartbeat> Fazers

We get 5 points.


+ Show Spoiler [Week 4 vs. Sexy Gladiators] +

nDie.XtinC <Demian> Pubepoh We are claiming a W/O here.
crimson0011 <Colosseum II> BaD]Fry
tru]irish <Match Point> dark_a
sGs.BaBo <Blue Storm> Hellscream
[SD]RoLLeR <Heartbeat> JaeDong We are claiming a W/O here.
Puppykiller <Latin Quarter> mmmbop[rage] We are claiming a W/O here.

We get 5 points.


Total after 4 weeks: 15 points.

If there are any questions, you can contact me via Skype.


EDIT: For the walk-overs we are claiming, I just want to make a statement for the record that I have made my teammates stay in vigorous contact and keep an open mind about playing matches with their opponents. All of the claimed W/Os are due to non-response for over a week, which I think is fair.

My team and I would like to play in play-offs, if possible and the interest is there.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2610 Posts
December 21 2015 21:45 GMT
#295
I think DeSPA would want to win this league when it would be played out
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
AmatistA
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany113 Posts
December 21 2015 22:22 GMT
#296
Bunny Slayers
This little bastard is Sieges addicted! cause I love the sound of the siege tank mode so you don't ? hear and feel my favorite sound ... didn't you hear? you realize that you have no units anymore!!!!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10357 Posts
December 22 2015 00:48 GMT
#297
On December 22 2015 06:45 chrisolo wrote:
I think DeSPA would want to win this league when it would be played out

Haha now that our team has had ample time together to practice and prepare for matches, and a solid line-up that will surrender no more W/Os, you guys have no chance.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2610 Posts
December 22 2015 08:40 GMT
#298
On December 22 2015 09:48 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 06:45 chrisolo wrote:
I think DeSPA would want to win this league when it would be played out

Haha now that our team has had ample time together to practice and prepare for matches, and a solid line-up that will surrender no more W/Os, you guys have no chance.


I think we will never know, because Shimy is nowhere to be seen since a month or so. Though he has been online in Skype...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Tru]Irish
Profile Joined October 2015
6 Posts
December 22 2015 14:51 GMT
#299
Move on from Shimy, if he comes back let him help again. Run with ggrrg idea and lets get this thing rolling. The longer we wait the more people lose interest.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-23 05:36:27
December 23 2015 05:21 GMT
#300
It seems like there is enough interest for play-offs: Club Starcraft and DeSPA have confirmed. SB should be able to field enough players as well.. WeMadeC have shown to be very reliable so far.

Unless there are any objections, I would suggest the following for the play-offs:
- BO7 Single Elimination bracket
- Based on the regular season table: 1st vs 4th teams and 2nd vs 3rd teams
- Deadline for the semi-final line-ups: Sunday, Jan 10 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
- Deadline for the semi-final games: Sunday, Jan 17 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
- Each team vetoes one map from the mappool
- Deadline for the final (and optionally 3rd place match) line-ups: Sunday, Jan 24 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
- Deadline for the final (and optionally 3rd place match) games: Sunday, Jan 31 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)


Qualified teams:

The current Standings with updated Week 5 (2 w/o's and the known to me results from sb vs wemadec) can be seen on liquipedia:
wiki.teamliquid.net

I am strongly inclined to award w/o for every unplayed game of Sexy Gladiators. I would not like to completely DQ them and give them 0-6 in all games, since it feels unfair to their players, who bothered to schedule their games, to their opponents that beat them, and because it would have close to zero impact on the standings (only WeMadeC would gain 1 more point compared to the other 4 teams).***

The standings with w/o's against Sexy Gladiators (ONLY for the UNPLAYED games) would look like this:


1 Club Starcraft..............21 (3 games left)
2 DeSPA .......................18 (3 games left)
3 Stealth Bunnies...........14 (3 games left)
4 WeMadeC...................12 (9 games left)
5 Bunny SlayerS.............9 (4 games left)
6 Sexy Gladiators...........5


Club Starcraft are either 1st or 2nd. They would be ahead of WeMadeC in a tiebreaker given equal Points. They can only be tied with DeSPA.

DeSPA can be tied for 1st or end up 2nd or 3rd.

SB can only be 3rd or 4th.

WeMadeC can be anywhere between 2nd and 5th.

Bunny SlayerS can be either 4th or 5th.

If Bunny SlayerS win the 4 unaccounted games vs WeMadeC and WeMadeC loses at least 4/5 of their other unacounted games, Bunny SlayerS would end up 4th. This however seems highly unlikely for a lot of reasons.


Here it gets difficult to decide how to handle the seedings. I fear that no matter how it is done it will end up slightly unfair for one team or another. This is why I would ask the captains of all teams to submit in the thread any results that may have been missed (see liquipedia page) or claim w/o's wherever they feel appropriate. Please, explain shortly the situation if you claim w/o. If the captains feel that a draw is appropriate, feel free to suggest it. Also, feel free to take have the games played out until the end of this year if both sides agree.

+ Show Spoiler [a list of the relevant games] +

W1
Melchsee <Fighting Spirit> Biolunar (If this hasn't been played yet, I will award w/o for Despa since Biolunar tried to contact his opponent in the following weeks)
crimson0011 <New Heartbreak Ridge> JXN

W2
eSpi.LoCcxito <Match Point> CrispyDrone

W3
fischei <Heartbeat> Kororo

W4
LMaster <Colosseum II> Master_soul
RedAxis<Match Point> CoughingHydra
Stardom<Blue Storm> evilEye
Arb <Heartbeat> C Taehee[KaL]

W5
sB.Icedraco <Blue Storm> Hafnium
sB.TheMarine <Latin Quarter> CrispyDrone
sB.SpongeBOZZ <Fighting Spirit> Seriosity




Play-offs Format:

The season format was bo6, which cannot be used in the play-offs. A bo7 seems appropriate, since it will not eliminate anybody's possibility to participate as opposed to a bo5 format.
In my opinion, there are three options for the 7th Slot:
- Additional C+ Slot
- Additional C Slot
- Ace Match

If the Ace Match option is chosen, each team could potenially field one player twice. The lineups would need to be submitted with the ace player already chosen and the ace match would need to be played during the same week as the other matches, meaning that it may end up being played before all other matches have concluded.

Additional slots for lower level players (C- and below) would make the games either too unfair or result in w/o in my opinion.
So here is a poll with the Options:

Poll: 7th slot for the play-offs

additional C+ slot (2)
 
14%

additional C slot (3)
 
21%

ace match (as explained above) (9)
 
64%

14 total votes

Your vote: 7th slot for the play-offs

(Vote): additional C+ slot
(Vote): additional C slot
(Vote): ace match (as explained above)






Final words:

Feel free to PM me with any suggestions or if you disagree with anything above.
It is unlikely, but I may be unable to come on TL until January 4th.



edit:
***If Sexy Gladiators are DQ'ed completely WeMadeC would gain 1 more point against the other teams and DeSPA will lose 1 point compared to the other teams. This would lock Club Starcraft in first place and also mean that Bunny SlayerS are locked in 5th unless WeMadeC loses all their remaining games.
Please comment on whether all of Sexy Gladiators' matches should be counted as 0-6 for the play-off seedings!
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