On February 15 2015 11:08 HeyImFinn wrote: I'll cast this live in English. If anyone wants to co-cast with me, that would be great.
I'm causally browsing streams and I see that Scan and Depressedzerg will be live English commentating SSL Finals. Perhaps you should contact them for a 3-man co-casting?
Man; everytime I say I'm gonna make a big splash back into BW; it never ends up happening Well I guess I should start what I finish; I like neither of these players, but we push through
On February 15 2015 13:40 Stratos wrote: We're at the press room with tank and CA. The question of the day is still unanswered - will IU be dressing up here?
On February 15 2015 13:40 Stratos wrote: We're at the press room with tank and CA. The question of the day is still unanswered - will IU be dressing up here?
On February 15 2015 13:58 Elyvilon wrote: If you told me in 2010 that in 5 years I'd be hyped for a finals between sSak and Last I wouldn't've believed you, yet here we are.
Hope for a good series!
Actually if I told you this a few weeks ago you probably wouldn't have either ^_^
On February 15 2015 13:58 Elyvilon wrote: If you told me in 2010 that in 5 years I'd be hyped for a finals between sSak and Last I wouldn't've believed you, yet here we are.
Hope for a good series!
Actually if I told you this a few weeks ago you probably wouldn't have either ^_^
You'd be surprised, TvT has legitimately been one of my two favorite matchups in BW for a long time.
Hi there! i'm a starcraft 2 viewer with little to no experience watching broodwar. If i know sc2, will i be able to understand what's happening, or will i be wildly confused?
On February 15 2015 14:02 partydude89 wrote: Hi there! i'm a starcraft 2 viewer with little to no experience watching broodwar. If i know sc2, will i be able to understand what's happening, or will i be wildly confused?
You may be confused, since no one will be building marines past like minute 3 at the latest. Also people will be more aggressive in general, I believe(although I haven't watched SC2 TvT in a long time).
On February 15 2015 14:02 partydude89 wrote: Hi there! i'm a starcraft 2 viewer with little to no experience watching broodwar. If i know sc2, will i be able to understand what's happening, or will i be wildly confused?
apart from intricate openings TvT might offer you should be fine, all strategic moves are highlighted by the casters anyway!
On February 15 2015 14:02 partydude89 wrote: Hi there! i'm a starcraft 2 viewer with little to no experience watching broodwar. If i know sc2, will i be able to understand what's happening, or will i be wildly confused?
You may be confused, since no one will be building marines past like minute 3 at the latest. Also people will be more aggressive in general, I believe(although I haven't watched SC2 TvT in a long time).
But i should, in general, be able to understand the gist of whats going on, even if i'm unfamiliar with broodwar units/builds, right?
On February 15 2015 14:02 partydude89 wrote: Hi there! i'm a starcraft 2 viewer with little to no experience watching broodwar. If i know sc2, will i be able to understand what's happening, or will i be wildly confused?
sure!
tvt in bw is played mostly with mech so units you'll be seeing the most are tanks, vultures (analogous to hellions without aoe but with mines), dropships and wraiths (very quick and microable flying unit)
On February 15 2015 14:02 partydude89 wrote: Hi there! i'm a starcraft 2 viewer with little to no experience watching broodwar. If i know sc2, will i be able to understand what's happening, or will i be wildly confused?
You may be confused, since no one will be building marines past like minute 3 at the latest. Also people will be more aggressive in general, I believe(although I haven't watched SC2 TvT in a long time).
But i should, in general, be able to understand the gist of whats going on, even if i'm unfamiliar with broodwar units/builds, right?
if you don't, feel free to ask, we're ready to help you with anything you are having trouble with
On February 15 2015 14:02 partydude89 wrote: Hi there! i'm a starcraft 2 viewer with little to no experience watching broodwar. If i know sc2, will i be able to understand what's happening, or will i be wildly confused?
You may be confused, since no one will be building marines past like minute 3 at the latest. Also people will be more aggressive in general, I believe(although I haven't watched SC2 TvT in a long time).
But i should, in general, be able to understand the gist of whats going on, even if i'm unfamiliar with broodwar units/builds, right?
Hopefully! I started with BW, so I can't say for sure. You're going to have a lot less information on the screen(there's no supply counter or upgrade tab or etc). If you have any questions, feel free to ask in the thread, though.
On February 15 2015 14:02 partydude89 wrote: Hi there! i'm a starcraft 2 viewer with little to no experience watching broodwar. If i know sc2, will i be able to understand what's happening, or will i be wildly confused?
sure!
tvt in bw is played mostly with mech so units you'll be seeing the most are tanks, vultures (analogous to hellions but with mines), dropships and wraiths (very quick and microable flying unit)
awesome! i've heard so much that is the legendary game that is broodwar and love sc2 so much so thought i might as well try it out!
On February 15 2015 14:02 partydude89 wrote: Hi there! i'm a starcraft 2 viewer with little to no experience watching broodwar. If i know sc2, will i be able to understand what's happening, or will i be wildly confused?
sure!
tvt in bw is played mostly with mech so units you'll be seeing the most are tanks, vultures (analogous to hellions but with mines), dropships and wraiths (very quick and microable flying unit)
awesome! i've heard so much that is the legendary game that is broodwar and love sc2 so much so thought i might as well try it out!
Generally, the player with more of the map in his control is ahead. Often it becomes split so you'll see players try break the deadlock by attacking at certain places to force the other to move.
On February 15 2015 14:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Hey, for someone who doesn't really watch brood war, can someone give me a run down on these two players?
You can try reading the Grand Finals Preview Article Players' Section:
On February 15 2015 14:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Hey, for someone who doesn't really watch brood war, can someone give me a run down on these two players?
Last has killer TvT and has been on a hot streak, ssak is a strong terran who keeps defying my odds.
all in all I'd say in the matchup last has the advantage but really anything can happen
On February 15 2015 14:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Hey, for someone who doesn't really watch brood war, can someone give me a run down on these two players?
You can try reading the Grand Finals Preview Article Players' Section:
On February 15 2015 14:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Hey, for someone who doesn't really watch brood war, can someone give me a run down on these two players?
but, sSak was becoming a staple of SKT, joining the team being the third terran behind fantasy/canata but was morphing in canata's spot
had appearances in proleague grand finals and was on the upswing
Last had an incredibly strong 2011-2012 season (the last full bw season), but was a b-teamer ish for a long time, entering STX
Last had a good run at like an mlg in sc2, but ssak never played past like the initial transition
both have been doing very well in the "amateur" bw scene, ssak really was the favorite terran until Mind decided to start beastmoding everything (and after hiya fell off some)
On February 15 2015 14:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Hey, for someone who doesn't really watch brood war, can someone give me a run down on these two players?
Last is known as a TvT specialist. He defeated two really good terrans on his way; former MSL champion Mind and Mong.
Ssak is quite a surprise although he is quite a strong player already, he beat a good terran Hiya on the way to the finals.
Basically Last is more accomplished than Ssak (younger career) but both are really confident in this matchup.
On February 15 2015 14:25 stuchiu wrote: Last is most well known (in sc2) for getting reverse swept iin bo7's after getting up 3-0. He did it twice to Rain and MC.
so because there isn't supply, or workers killed, or anything like that, is it a lot harder to tell who's ahead? i think i actually like this, as it makes it more exciting.
On February 15 2015 14:33 partydude89 wrote: so because there isn't supply, or workers killed, or anything like that, is it a lot harder to tell who's ahead? i think i actually like this, as it makes it more exciting.
There used to be counter overlays but they didn't use it for some reason.
On February 15 2015 14:33 partydude89 wrote: so because there isn't supply, or workers killed, or anything like that, is it a lot harder to tell who's ahead? i think i actually like this, as it makes it more exciting.
SC2 is kind of information overload, you kind of always know exactly what's going on and who's ahead. It works in some situations but it's annoying sometimes too.
On February 15 2015 14:36 juvenal wrote: If you're wondering: spider mines aren't triggered by vultures and scvs. ps: who's IU and why is it such a big deal?
On February 15 2015 14:36 juvenal wrote: If you're wondering: spider mines aren't triggered by vultures and scvs. ps: who's IU and why is it such a big deal?
On February 15 2015 14:36 juvenal wrote: If you're wondering: spider mines aren't triggered by vultures and scvs. ps: who's IU and why is it such a big deal?
On February 15 2015 14:36 juvenal wrote: If you're wondering: spider mines aren't triggered by vultures and scvs. ps: who's IU and why is it such a big deal?
On February 15 2015 14:38 partydude89 wrote: so last looks REALLY far behind now, am i correct in my assumption?
I feel so bad for bothering you all with the questions, but think looks really cool and i wish i could understand it better :/
last still has position on the key highground points - highground is MUCH more important than in sc2 because you have a miss chance when shooting uphill
On February 15 2015 14:38 partydude89 wrote: so last looks REALLY far behind now, am i correct in my assumption?
I feel so bad for bothering you all with the questions, but think looks really cool and i wish i could understand it better :/
Last is red, right? He's behind but not by that much, gas matters a million times more than minerals in TvT and he's not that far from splitting the map.
English Commentating LIVE http://www.twitch.tv/skryoo1004 Last 0:1 Ssak; Ssak is leading the score. Caster - Depressedzerg Commentator - HeyImFinN(Twitch.TV) and Scan
On February 15 2015 14:24 N.geNuity wrote: IU HOLDING CHEERFUL IN THE CROWD
"<3 TL AND SKT TERRANS"
THE HYPE
ok maybe that didnt happen
You are a very hopeful person.
Personally I'm glad that it only took 30 minutes for the first game to start. Interesting game, too. Sad that Last couldn't finish this league with an undefeated TvT record. Oh well, still think he'll take the series!
On February 15 2015 14:53 partydude89 wrote: so based on that game, would you guys say last still has a good shot of winning? It looked like last couldn't keep up with ssak. Should i be worried?
On February 15 2015 14:53 partydude89 wrote: so based on that game, would you guys say last still has a good shot of winning? It looked like last couldn't keep up with ssak. Should i be worried?
We'll see, Last can have more creative openings. I felt that game was pretty close, actually.
On February 15 2015 14:53 partydude89 wrote: so based on that game, would you guys say last still has a good shot of winning? It looked like last couldn't keep up with ssak. Should i be worried?
all smart people predicted ssak 3-0
but last's best map is the third map in the set
So perhaps this is Last's chance to reverse sweep then
On February 15 2015 14:53 partydude89 wrote: so based on that game, would you guys say last still has a good shot of winning? It looked like last couldn't keep up with ssak. Should i be worried?
all smart people predicted ssak 3-0
but last's best map is the third map in the set
So perhaps this is Last's chance to reverse sweep then
On February 15 2015 14:58 riyanme wrote: who is that girl?
Stargirl from the selection ceremony. Look up the LR thread for that and look for posts by stratos, he would have posted an album of her pictures and her name.
Notes for sc2 newbs (jk): - turrets are not as powerful but still to be respected, especially in big numbers as we saw at Last's main; - mass dropship play is pretty standard, doom drops are far more often and usually don't bring doom, usually defended by means of your own mass dropships; - dropship capacity is like in sc2: 2 tanks\4 vults\4 goliaths\8 scvs; - gas matters in TvT, every base generally has 1 geyser so you can easily see who has an eco advantage by minimap, mineral only are not too common but exist, double gas are very rare and sometimes mostly decorative (see e.g. Fighting Spirit middle exp); - that beeping sound + magical blue stars flying around are scans, were landing right on the spot in this game, e.g. Last sees loading dropships - takes necessary actions; - tanks don't have these silly siege range helping circles, less help more skill as you know; - it's all about highgrounds in TvT, you have ~50% chance of missing a unit on highround, much like in sc2 you don't see highground UNLESS someone's attacking you from there, then the firing unit is visible for couple seconds and you can fight back.
On February 15 2015 15:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I love that BW still does well in Korea. Even though I never watch it, I think hybrid proleague or similar should come back
they can coexist under same channel casters etc, but they shouldnt be hybrid that said, perhaps we can have players move between the two games more readily than now. for instance, one player could play sc2 for one season and move to sc1 for another and vice versa
Translations < koreanusher> VULTURES COMING OUT < koreanusher> vultures runby? < koreanusher> ahhhhhh, SENSE BY SSAK < koreanusher> TheMarine saying this is BoxeR like by sSak Casters amazed by that star sense by sSak
English Commentating LIVE http://www.twitch.tv/skryoo1004 Last 1:1 Ssak; Last won the 2nd game. Caster - Depressedzerg Commentator - HeyImFinN(Twitch.TV) and Scan
Last pushing his way towards Ssak's nat after a few close mine calls. Ssak GG's shorly after with Last having 4-5 tanks and a handful of vultures after bulling his way through Ssak's final units.
On February 15 2015 15:16 juvenal wrote: T-T I was so hoping for an hour long FS game with battlecruisers
speaking as someone who likes TvT, I strongly disagree. I have better things to do with my time than watch giant battlecruiser fleets posture back and forth behind walls of turrets.
On February 15 2015 15:16 juvenal wrote: T-T I was so hoping for an hour long FS game with battlecruisers
speaking as someone who likes TvT, I strongly disagree. I have better things to do with my time than watch giant battlecruiser fleets posture back and forth behind walls of turrets.
it would be good to still have an EPIC hour long TvT saga in the set. just one please
On February 15 2015 15:16 juvenal wrote: T-T I was so hoping for an hour long FS game with battlecruisers
speaking as someone who likes TvT, I strongly disagree. I have better things to do with my time than watch giant battlecruiser fleets posture back and forth behind walls of turrets.
it would be good to still have an EPIC hour long TvT saga in the set. just one please
I'm content with 2 more 15 minute scrums and sSak victory :D
On February 15 2015 15:16 juvenal wrote: T-T I was so hoping for an hour long FS game with battlecruisers
speaking as someone who likes TvT, I strongly disagree. I have better things to do with my time than watch giant battlecruiser fleets posture back and forth behind walls of turrets.
it would be good to still have an EPIC hour long TvT saga in the set. just one please
hour long epic TvT games are like that one FBH/Flash game on Medusa(or Neo Medusa? I don't remember which). Not Battlecruiser fleets posturing at each other.
Holy shit I missed two games already Man TvT letting me down; I thought I'd be in the middle of game one McDonalds run was worth it however Now its a question of who I dislike less out of the two
Last translation: < koreanusher> Last: I'm ex/progamer Last < koreanusher> Last said he practiced for LoL, thinking about possible switch in career to LoL < koreanusher> but once SSL was announced, he stuck with SC BW < koreanusher> Last saying how practice and condition have to maintained themselves and Last believes he was able to keep his own condition well < koreanusher> Last saying all his build are all created by him < koreanusher> Last mentions his past memories of progaming days
On February 15 2015 15:23 prech wrote: Last translation: < koreanusher> Last: I'm ex/progamer Last < koreanusher> Last said he practiced for LoL, thinking about possible switch in career to LoL < koreanusher> but once SSL was announced, he stuck with SC BW < koreanusher> Last saying how practice and condition have to maintained themselves and Last believes he was able to keep his own condition well < koreanusher> Last saying all his build are all created by him < koreanusher> Last mentions his past memories of progaming days
On February 15 2015 15:23 prech wrote: Last translation: < koreanusher> Last: I'm ex/progamer Last < koreanusher> Last said he practiced for LoL, thinking about possible switch in career to LoL < koreanusher> but once SSL was announced, he stuck with SC BW < koreanusher> Last saying how practice and condition have to maintained themselves and Last believes he was able to keep his own condition well < koreanusher> Last saying all his build are all created by him < koreanusher> Last mentions his past memories of progaming days
I don't know so much about BW guys, but SC2 pros switchign to MOBAs has generally gone terribly so I"m glad he stayed
On February 15 2015 15:23 prech wrote: Last translation: < koreanusher> Last: I'm ex/progamer Last < koreanusher> Last said he practiced for LoL, thinking about possible switch in career to LoL < koreanusher> but once SSL was announced, he stuck with SC BW < koreanusher> Last saying how practice and condition have to maintained themselves and Last believes he was able to keep his own condition well < koreanusher> Last saying all his build are all created by him < koreanusher> Last mentions his past memories of progaming days
I don't know so much about BW guys, but SC2 pros switchign to MOBAs has generally gone terribly so I"m glad he stayed
On February 15 2015 15:23 prech wrote: Last translation: < koreanusher> Last: I'm ex/progamer Last < koreanusher> Last said he practiced for LoL, thinking about possible switch in career to LoL < koreanusher> but once SSL was announced, he stuck with SC BW < koreanusher> Last saying how practice and condition have to maintained themselves and Last believes he was able to keep his own condition well < koreanusher> Last saying all his build are all created by him < koreanusher> Last mentions his past memories of progaming days
I don't know so much about BW guys, but SC2 pros switchign to MOBAs has generally gone terribly so I"m glad he stayed
are you new? last was in sc2 before as well.
I think all the BW guys switched over to SC2 for at least a little bit.
On February 15 2015 15:23 prech wrote: Last translation: < koreanusher> Last: I'm ex/progamer Last < koreanusher> Last said he practiced for LoL, thinking about possible switch in career to LoL < koreanusher> but once SSL was announced, he stuck with SC BW < koreanusher> Last saying how practice and condition have to maintained themselves and Last believes he was able to keep his own condition well < koreanusher> Last saying all his build are all created by him < koreanusher> Last mentions his past memories of progaming days
I don't know so much about BW guys, but SC2 pros switchign to MOBAs has generally gone terribly so I"m glad he stayed
are you new? last was in sc2 before as well.
I know, but he's a BW guy again now. And I am not really new though, I just stopped watching SC2 around broodlord/infestor era and came back hardcore around late 2013
On February 15 2015 15:23 prech wrote: Last translation: < koreanusher> Last: I'm ex/progamer Last < koreanusher> Last said he practiced for LoL, thinking about possible switch in career to LoL < koreanusher> but once SSL was announced, he stuck with SC BW < koreanusher> Last saying how practice and condition have to maintained themselves and Last believes he was able to keep his own condition well < koreanusher> Last saying all his build are all created by him < koreanusher> Last mentions his past memories of progaming days
I don't know so much about BW guys, but SC2 pros switchign to MOBAs has generally gone terribly so I"m glad he stayed
a lot of ex-sc2/bw pros became LoL coaches. Coach Choi of MVP made the two best LoL teams in the world before they got bought out by China.
Return of the King < koreanusher> Last = Yellow, sSak = BLUE < hyralgambit> !title LIVE: SSL Grand Finals - Game 3: Last (Yellow T5) vs sSak (Blue T11)
Vulture first out of Ssak looking to apply some pressure Bunker at the front for Last scv that was scouting out Last's main falls DEPOT block by Last; first vulture nullified
First wraith out for Ssak; two scv kills and delays the armory Three vultures pushing out towards Ssak's nat but get repelled Wraith falls; acad and 3rd fact for Ssak
Last going up to 4 fact, acad and armory both up Ssak's rax is gonna burn down over the island expo Ssak sending two tanks out to gain map pressure and push the vultures away Control tower on the way; rax falls Spidemines finish and the vultures spring a trap, one tank dies, second one lives at half
Ssak looks broken at this point; nothing to stop the wraiths Dropping Last's nat now; but that gets cleaned up Last has broken the natural and is up the ramp GG from Ssak 2-1 Last
English Commentating LIVE http://www.twitch.tv/skryoo1004 Last 2:1 Ssak; Last flipped the table! Last is taking the lead now. Caster - Depressedzerg Commentator - HeyImFinN(Twitch.TV) and Scan
Translations... < koreanusher> SET 4 = BLUESTORM < koreanusher> Casters saying how Last has a different expression from set 1 < koreanusher> will it be 3-1 victory for Last or 2-2? < koreanusher> STAY TUNED
OGN Stargirl interviews: sSak < koreanusher> interview of ssak likes < koreanusher> what food ssak like? < koreanusher> ssak like meat < koreanusher> "do you have a gf?" < koreanusher> ssak said yes < koreanusher> girl asks will your girl wait for you during military < koreanusher> ssak said yes, wait for me in message
Mong < koreanusher> girl asks mong if he has gf < koreanusher> mong said yes < koreanusher> girl asks if gf wait for mong when he's in military < koreanusher> mong said he would like that to happen < lemmata> mong: There's no man who will buy as much meat as I will. If you date another guy, you will have to eat some grass every other day.
On February 15 2015 15:53 prech wrote: OGN Stargirl interviews: sSak < koreanusher> interview of ssak likes < koreanusher> what food ssak like? < koreanusher> ssak like meat < koreanusher> "do you have a gf?" < koreanusher> ssak said yes < koreanusher> girl asks will your girl wait for you during military < koreanusher> ssak said yes, wait for me in message
Mong < koreanusher> girl asks mong if he has gf < koreanusher> mong said yes < koreanusher> girl asks if gf wait for mong when he's in military < koreanusher> mong said he would like that to happen < lemmata> mong: There's no man who will buy as much meat as I will. If you date another guy, you will have to eat some grass every other day.
On February 15 2015 15:53 prech wrote: OGN Stargirl interviews: sSak < koreanusher> interview of ssak likes < koreanusher> what food ssak like? < koreanusher> ssak like meat < koreanusher> "do you have a gf?" < koreanusher> ssak said yes < koreanusher> girl asks will your girl wait for you during military < koreanusher> ssak said yes, wait for me in message
Mong < koreanusher> girl asks mong if he has gf < koreanusher> mong said yes < koreanusher> girl asks if gf wait for mong when he's in military < koreanusher> mong said he would like that to happen < lemmata> mong: There's no man who will buy as much meat as I will. If you date another guy, you will have to eat some grass every other day.
On February 15 2015 15:53 prech wrote: OGN Stargirl interviews: sSak < koreanusher> interview of ssak likes < koreanusher> what food ssak like? < koreanusher> ssak like meat < koreanusher> "do you have a gf?" < koreanusher> ssak said yes < koreanusher> girl asks will your girl wait for you during military < koreanusher> ssak said yes, wait for me in message
Mong < koreanusher> girl asks mong if he has gf < koreanusher> mong said yes < koreanusher> girl asks if gf wait for mong when he's in military < koreanusher> mong said he would like that to happen < lemmata> mong: There's no man who will buy as much meat as I will. If you date another guy, you will have to eat some grass every other day.
You speak Korean?
he's copypasta koreanusher's translations from twitch chat
On February 15 2015 15:53 prech wrote: OGN Stargirl interviews: sSak < koreanusher> interview of ssak likes < koreanusher> what food ssak like? < koreanusher> ssak like meat < koreanusher> "do you have a gf?" < koreanusher> ssak said yes < koreanusher> girl asks will your girl wait for you during military < koreanusher> ssak said yes, wait for me in message
Mong < koreanusher> girl asks mong if he has gf < koreanusher> mong said yes < koreanusher> girl asks if gf wait for mong when he's in military < koreanusher> mong said he would like that to happen < lemmata> mong: There's no man who will buy as much meat as I will. If you date another guy, you will have to eat some grass every other day.
You speak Korean?
I'm afraid not, else I wouldn't have to bother you for translations
On February 15 2015 15:43 gngfn wrote: They seem to be showing only the floor seats which is not inspiring confidence in the attendance level
the crowd is still amazing... to think they could still generate this crowd despite being very old and out in pro scene for years... i bet 99% of them are there for bw, and iu is an add-on...
On February 15 2015 15:53 prech wrote: OGN Stargirl interviews: sSak < koreanusher> interview of ssak likes < koreanusher> what food ssak like? < koreanusher> ssak like meat < koreanusher> "do you have a gf?" < koreanusher> ssak said yes < koreanusher> girl asks will your girl wait for you during military < koreanusher> ssak said yes, wait for me in message
Mong < koreanusher> girl asks mong if he has gf < koreanusher> mong said yes < koreanusher> girl asks if gf wait for mong when he's in military < koreanusher> mong said he would like that to happen < lemmata> mong: There's no man who will buy as much meat as I will. If you date another guy, you will have to eat some grass every other day.
< koreanusher> Casters saying how both players have similarly started their pro careers < koreanusher> Casters mentioning how sSak was SKT last terran player < koreanusher> Casters saying how SKT were the Terran leading team < koreanusher> mentioning BoxeR, Fantasy
And the most important announcement < koreanusher> (IU will perform as a congratulatory STAGE)
Last landing his rax so that the scvs have a hard time getting to the armory Mass vulture on vulture action at the 2 oclock position SSAK COMING OUT AHEAD
Also, pretty funny that Ssak had two armories going. Last killed all the SCVs that worked on one, but didn't notice that there was a second one that actually got completed untouched.
English Commentating LIVE http://www.twitch.tv/skryoo1004 Last 2:2 Ssak; Ssak took the 4th game, and we are going to see the last game of the final match! Caster - Depressedzerg Commentator - HeyImFinN(Twitch.TV) and Scan
< koreanusher> Kim Carrier saying now we got to set 5, he thinks sSak needs to prove, not by all-ins or builds but strength/skill < koreanusher> it was a good timing by sSak < koreanusher> b/c wraiths are more resource expensive than vultures < koreanusher> wraiths requires starports and gas
On February 15 2015 16:10 N.geNuity wrote: this is like a record for the speed of 4 tvts lol
If you had told me that there was a very real possibility of going to bed before 3 am and the series was going to five games I would've laughed in your face.
sSak interview: < koreanusher> sSak said he's planning for a vacation (after SSL) < koreanusher> a domestic vacation (not international) < koreanusher> sSak mentioning how Bisu is coming to watch (T/N: a promise which Bisu honored!) < koreanusher> sSak saying his goal to win is bigger after hearing IU doing congratulatory performance ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
On February 15 2015 16:12 prech wrote: Caster translation:
< koreanusher> Kim Carrier saying now we got to set 5, he thinks sSak needs to prove, not by all-ins or builds but strength/skill
All respect to Kim Carrier, but I don't know why sSak needs to prove anything. If he wins, he wins; no one really cares about the manner someone wins in.
On February 15 2015 16:10 N.geNuity wrote: this is like a record for the speed of 4 tvts lol
If you had told me that there was a very real possibility of going to bed before 3 am and the series was going to five games I would've laughed in your face.
On February 15 2015 16:22 juvenal wrote: The only thing we're missing:
START THE GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Second fact for both; vultures out and about on the map to apply some pressure Ssak tries for a vulture snipe; but repair is imba 3rd fact for Last; is he gonna mass vultures this game maybe?
Acad up for Ssak now; 4th fact on the way Tanks out for Last; first one Mas vulture wrecks face RAX LANDS TO BLOCK THE TANK Ssak has free reign over the base of Last
Thanks finally for Ssak 5 vultures sneak their way into the main of Last Last is falling apart here; hes also trying to establish a bit of a tank line; with three tanks
This vulture pressure from Ssak is really impressive. Not letting up at all, Last really needs to find some way to stop his SCVs from dying, Needs to find a third or some way to kill off Ssak's SCVs. Ssak building CC number four while Last still with no third.
Third port at the 11; Ssak pulling out the mass wraiths 10 oclock up and running now too; 4 bases to 2 Ssak favored Dropship is one his from dead; in the sweet spot where it can't get it Science facility up
< koreanusher> OGN: How do you feel? < koreanusher> sSak: I have never imagined of this happening but to make it happen, I feel really happy < koreanusher> OGN: In this SSL 10, Last's TvT and his stats and hype and how everyone's giving advantage to him, did you hear about this? < koreanusher> sSak: the news, jouranlists, predictions all favor Last but I didn't think much
< koreanusher> sSak thanked/praised Fantasy < koreanusher> and he asked Fantasy to come and watch him but Fantasy is already at Busan < crimson0011> did fantasy help him practice? < koreanusher> (no)
< koreanusher> sSak said during his days of T1, his results wasn't good and his parents even worried about that but his parents are here today and sSak want to say he loves his parents who are in the stage
< koreanusher> OGN: Do you feel this heat(?) < koreanusher> Sonic: yes I feel it < koreanusher> Sonic giving his words of wisdom about he representing as CEO < koreanusher> and also support of SC BW < koreanusher> Sonic mention to audience: DO YOU WANT TO SEE NEXT SEASON? < koreanusher> SONIC SAID HE'S GOING TO PREPARE FOR A SEASON 2
On February 15 2015 16:50 prech wrote: < koreanusher> OGN: Do you feel this heat(?) < koreanusher> Sonic: yes I feel it < koreanusher> Sonic giving his words of wisdom about he representing as CEO < koreanusher> and also support of SC BW < koreanusher> Sonic mention to audience: DO YOU WANT TO SEE NEXT SEASON? < koreanusher> SONIC SAID HE'S GOING TO PREPARE FOR A SEASON 2
On February 15 2015 16:50 prech wrote: < koreanusher> OGN: Do you feel this heat(?) < koreanusher> Sonic: yes I feel it < koreanusher> Sonic giving his words of wisdom about he representing as CEO < koreanusher> and also support of SC BW < koreanusher> Sonic mention to audience: DO YOU WANT TO SEE NEXT SEASON? < koreanusher> SONIC SAID HE'S GOING TO PREPARE FOR A SEASON 2
Wasn't this the 10th season though?
This was kinda/sorta the 10th season of the Sonic Starleague.
But this isnt actually called the Sonic Starleague, it's the Sbenu Starleague. The 1st one.
On February 15 2015 16:50 prech wrote: < koreanusher> OGN: Do you feel this heat(?) < koreanusher> Sonic: yes I feel it < koreanusher> Sonic giving his words of wisdom about he representing as CEO < koreanusher> and also support of SC BW < koreanusher> Sonic mention to audience: DO YOU WANT TO SEE NEXT SEASON? < koreanusher> SONIC SAID HE'S GOING TO PREPARE FOR A SEASON 2
< koreanusher> IU: Did you enjoy today? Today's matches went fast, is that true? < koreanusher> Audience: yes, yes
< koreanusher> IU: next song, let's hope for everyone to sing together < koreanusher> IU: How about ????, do you know the song? < terranlisk> the crowd so out of tune < koreanusher> IU: If you only sing that much, then we can do this < koreanusher> Can you really do this? < koreanusher> (audience terrible at singing)
You can just tell by the look on her face, she's like, "Why am I here? There's like barely any people, there's no energy in the atmosphere..." That performance was so half-assed...
On February 15 2015 17:11 Seeker wrote: You can just tell by the look on her face, she's like, "Why am I here? There's like barely any people, there's no energy in the atmosphere..." That performance was so half-assed...
look man I said there'd be IU, I never said it would be good.
On February 15 2015 17:11 Seeker wrote: You can just tell by the look on her face, she's like, "Why am I here? There's like barely any people, there's no energy in the atmosphere..." That performance was so half-assed...
it's probably because she had to wait
like yea, she performs for huge crowds all the time, but she certainly has experience doing random events with even fewer people (besides game vents, various junk like I'm sure children's day in korea or something). Probably more energetic IU-fans at those though
but having to perform as the closing ceremony is literally a +/- 3 hour window with a TvT series. having to wait around for something you don't really care about doing sucks than just doing it and being able to leave.
On February 15 2015 17:11 Seeker wrote: You can just tell by the look on her face, she's like, "Why am I here? There's like barely any people, there's no energy in the atmosphere..." That performance was so half-assed...
look man I said there'd be IU, I never said it would be good.
lol, I'm not upset or anything It was ridiculously fun to watch BW again. All dat nostalgia just overflowing! Just saying the IU performance generated a lot of HYPE and then it was a complete let down.
Iu was awesome idk what u guys are even talking about. The front rows were cheering all the chants and she got the greatest ovations throughout the entire day - like it or not, there was no question about that. It was a good call, most ppl there were BW fans but they went out to see iu as well, you could tell as much if you were there.
On February 15 2015 14:02 partydude89 wrote: Hi there! i'm a starcraft 2 viewer with little to no experience watching broodwar. If i know sc2, will i be able to understand what's happening, or will i be wildly confused?
You may be confused, since no one will be building marines past like minute 3 at the latest. Also people will be more aggressive in general, I believe(although I haven't watched SC2 TvT in a long time).
But i should, in general, be able to understand the gist of whats going on, even if i'm unfamiliar with broodwar units/builds, right?
Hopefully! I started with BW, so I can't say for sure. You're going to have a lot less information on the screen(there's no supply counter or upgrade tab or etc). If you have any questions, feel free to ask in the thread, though.
OGN had a way to show the supply why they didn't used?
On February 15 2015 17:51 Stratos wrote: Iu was awesome idk what u guys are even talking about. The front rows were cheering all the chants and she got the greatest ovations throughout the entire day - like it or not, there was no question about that. It was a good call, most ppl there were BW fans but they went out to see iu as well, you could tell as much if you were there.
That's a major relief then. Watching the performance from a stream made me think that the crowd and the atmosphere was just like dead in there.
On February 15 2015 14:02 partydude89 wrote: Hi there! i'm a starcraft 2 viewer with little to no experience watching broodwar. If i know sc2, will i be able to understand what's happening, or will i be wildly confused?
You may be confused, since no one will be building marines past like minute 3 at the latest. Also people will be more aggressive in general, I believe(although I haven't watched SC2 TvT in a long time).
But i should, in general, be able to understand the gist of whats going on, even if i'm unfamiliar with broodwar units/builds, right?
Hopefully! I started with BW, so I can't say for sure. You're going to have a lot less information on the screen(there's no supply counter or upgrade tab or etc). If you have any questions, feel free to ask in the thread, though.
OGN had a way to show the supply why they didn't used?
On February 15 2015 14:02 partydude89 wrote: Hi there! i'm a starcraft 2 viewer with little to no experience watching broodwar. If i know sc2, will i be able to understand what's happening, or will i be wildly confused?
You may be confused, since no one will be building marines past like minute 3 at the latest. Also people will be more aggressive in general, I believe(although I haven't watched SC2 TvT in a long time).
But i should, in general, be able to understand the gist of whats going on, even if i'm unfamiliar with broodwar units/builds, right?
Hopefully! I started with BW, so I can't say for sure. You're going to have a lot less information on the screen(there's no supply counter or upgrade tab or etc). If you have any questions, feel free to ask in the thread, though.
OGN had a way to show the supply why they didn't used?
I have no idea.
They must've had a reason for it. Given, it's not too bad to figure out who's leading at times so not having the supply isn't a big deal imo.
By the way, does anyone remember which Fall Out Boy song it was everytime at the end of SSL broadcast, we see those masterful quick summary highlights of the matches made instantly by OGN Video Editor Senpai?
Trying to find the exact song but I realized there's a quite bit of songs by this group....
Also I gotta start compiling all the highlight cuts made by OGN Video Editor Senpai... how to do this... hmm...
Interesting to me that Last completely abandoned his typical long-game strategic play entirely after game 1. I assume he was intending to cross up sSak, but it didn't really work, and he let himself in for boom-or-bust plays that either did (games 2/3) or didn't (game 4/5) work. I wonder if that was planned though or if he was reacting.
On February 16 2015 08:05 VGhost wrote: Interesting to me that Last completely abandoned his typical long-game strategic play entirely after game 1. I assume he was intending to cross up sSak, but it didn't really work, and he let himself in for boom-or-bust plays that either did (games 2/3) or didn't (game 4/5) work. I wonder if that was planned though or if he was reacting.
Last's major weakness always seemed like he left barely any defense at home at times. Several times during his games last night, he'll have barely any units at his natural and next thing you know, there's 5-10 vultures at his expansion killing workers and he is scrambling back to defend. In the games that he got to play the game the way that he wanted, he dominated sSak or played really well but once sSak took control of the game, Last was left behind and couldn't keep up.
What was most surprising to me is that game 5. Last held the high ground with his vultures yet he allowed sSak to just waltz on up and grab the bigger concave to win the engagement and deal severe damage afterwards (which cost him the game imo). I guess even high APM can't save you from looking away for a bit lol.
On February 17 2015 17:54 shizzz wrote: People just got the old school nostalgia feels when they saw Last in the finals.. but the real TvT god was always going to win it.. ssak fighting!
while i congratulate ssak as well i still have slight reservations considering him a great and worthy champion. while he does show solid effort in his play, he has a relatively easy path to the finals if you look at the opponents he played against. plus he is known for many bloopers in his general play outside of this tourney.
and ssak kinda just caught on to last's weakness and lucked out with big vults runbys in the last 2 set. although i guess its kinda of a karmic retribution for last who lucked out with some cheeses during his tourney run too.
On February 16 2015 03:34 QuickStriker wrote: By the way, does anyone remember which Fall Out Boy song it was everytime at the end of SSL broadcast, we see those masterful quick summary highlights of the matches made instantly by OGN Video Editor Senpai?
Trying to find the exact song but I realized there's a quite bit of songs by this group....
Also I gotta start compiling all the highlight cuts made by OGN Video Editor Senpai... how to do this... hmm...
Fall Out Boy's The Kid's aren't alright.
People at OGN sure have some talents. The highlights are my favorite part in OGN videos.
On February 17 2015 17:54 shizzz wrote: People just got the old school nostalgia feels when they saw Last in the finals.. but the real TvT god was always going to win it.. ssak fighting!
while i congratulate ssak as well i still have slight reservations considering him a great and worthy champion. while he does show solid effort in his play, he has a relatively easy path to the finals if you look at the opponents he played against. plus he is known for many bloopers in his general play outside of this tourney.
and ssak kinda just caught on to last's weakness and lucked out with big vults runbys in the last 2 set. although i guess its kinda of a karmic retribution for last who lucked out with some cheeses during his tourney run too.
True, sSak's vZ and vP are nowhere near his vT level, and so he was very lucky to have all T at the end (he even said so himself). But I think you are underestimating his level of TvT play. For the past few years at least, it was (roughly) always either, him or Sea as the best TvTer, then him and midas/light, then him and mind, and now it's between him and last. He has always been there as a remarkably solid player at his mirror, definitely at a level worthy enough of winning this tournament. In saying that though, I was perfectly happy with either player winning. I was going for sSak but Last winning it would have made a great story.
Someone mentioned up about Last opting for quicker games after the first. I think he knew full well the level sSak's TvT was at, and so after having a solid crack at a macro game and losing, he opted to try quicker plays to try and exploit sSak's game, rather than go head to head with it.
Firstly im satisfied with games being fast and action packed, which i was not expecting, these players really did what they said in the interviews before the final. What im not satisfied is the last two games. sSak going all in vultures two games in a row is just too cheap and simple. Kim karrier said right that sSak needs to show something more than all in builds to deserve the title champion, sadly he became champion whitout showing different play in the last 2 games. And if you see last's builds they was way more interesting and complicated. I consider Last to be a level above than sSak, hes just not going for the cheap wins and is wanting to show his full potential in TvT, because of that i consider him as the real champion. However a winer is a winer, so grats to sSak.
On February 18 2015 02:35 _Animus_ wrote: Firstly im satisfied with games being fast and action packed, which i was not expecting, these players really did what they said in the interviews before the final. What im not satisfied is the last two games. sSak going all in vultures two games in a row is just too cheap and simple. Kim karrier said right that sSak needs to show something more than all in builds to deserve the title champion, sadly he became champion whitout showing different play in the last 2 games. And if you see last's builds they was way more interesting and complicated. I consider Last to be a level above than sSak, hes just not going for the cheap wins and is wanting to show his full potential in TvT, because of that i consider him as the real champion. However a winer is a winer, so grats to sSak.
Rofl. I guess Yellow was the real winner when he lost against Boxer to all those bunker rushes. Last lost because he failed to adapt to the strategy of sSak. If I used your thought process, I guess Bisu qualified for every OSL and already has a golden mouse. sSak deserves the title hands down.
On February 18 2015 02:35 _Animus_ wrote: Firstly im satisfied with games being fast and action packed, which i was not expecting, these players really did what they said in the interviews before the final. What im not satisfied is the last two games. sSak going all in vultures two games in a row is just too cheap and simple. Kim karrier said right that sSak needs to show something more than all in builds to deserve the title champion, sadly he became champion whitout showing different play in the last 2 games. And if you see last's builds they was way more interesting and complicated. I consider Last to be a level above than sSak, hes just not going for the cheap wins and is wanting to show his full potential in TvT, because of that i consider him as the real champion. However a winer is a winer, so grats to sSak.
Rofl. I guess Yellow was the real winner when he lost against Boxer to all those bunker rushes. Last lost because he failed to adapt to the strategy of sSak. If I used your thought process, I guess Bisu qualified for every OSL and already has a golden mouse. sSak deserves the title hands down.
Wrong. Bisu didnt qualified and Last is on the final, my thought process is only matter of the superior playstyle and entertainment value, not just wins, because jangbi didnt became legend by wining last game of OSL against fantasy with dark templars, he showed amazing performace in his other games deserving what he achieved at 100%. Not that sSak is not deserving it, but he was not impressive, Last, Free, Jangbi, Mind, Modesty made way better games than sSak in their SSL run.
On February 18 2015 02:35 _Animus_ wrote: Firstly im satisfied with games being fast and action packed, which i was not expecting, these players really did what they said in the interviews before the final. What im not satisfied is the last two games. sSak going all in vultures two games in a row is just too cheap and simple. Kim karrier said right that sSak needs to show something more than all in builds to deserve the title champion, sadly he became champion whitout showing different play in the last 2 games. And if you see last's builds they was way more interesting and complicated. I consider Last to be a level above than sSak, hes just not going for the cheap wins and is wanting to show his full potential in TvT, because of that i consider him as the real champion. However a winer is a winer, so grats to sSak.
Rofl. I guess Yellow was the real winner when he lost against Boxer to all those bunker rushes. Last lost because he failed to adapt to the strategy of sSak. If I used your thought process, I guess Bisu qualified for every OSL and already has a golden mouse. sSak deserves the title hands down.
Wrong. Bisu didnt qualified and Last is on the final, my thought process is only matter of the superior playstyle and entertainment value, not just wins, because jangbi didnt became legend by wining last game of OSL against fantasy with dark templars, he showed amazing performace in his other games deserving what he achieved at 100%. Not that sSak is not deserving it, but he was not impressive, Last, Free, Jangbi, Mind, Modesty made way better games than sSak in their SSL run.
I don't see how last had superior play style. He had a glaring weakness sSak had exploited. And I guess just have an overall disagreement that winner is invalid because you didn't find him entertaining. That voids every Flash medal cause a lot of people consider his play style extremely boring. Also, I found sSaks play extremely entertaining. His drop play in game one was so friggin ballsy. I guess we will just have to disagree on this one.
On February 17 2015 17:54 shizzz wrote: People just got the old school nostalgia feels when they saw Last in the finals.. but the real TvT god was always going to win it.. ssak fighting!
while i congratulate ssak as well i still have slight reservations considering him a great and worthy champion. while he does show solid effort in his play, he has a relatively easy path to the finals if you look at the opponents he played against. plus he is known for many bloopers in his general play outside of this tourney.
and ssak kinda just caught on to last's weakness and lucked out with big vults runbys in the last 2 set. although i guess its kinda of a karmic retribution for last who lucked out with some cheeses during his tourney run too.
True, sSak's vZ and vP are nowhere near his vT level, and so he was very lucky to have all T at the end (he even said so himself). But I think you are underestimating his level of TvT play. For the past few years at least, it was (roughly) always either, him or Sea as the best TvTer, then him and midas/light, then him and mind, and now it's between him and last. He has always been there as a remarkably solid player at his mirror, definitely at a level worthy enough of winning this tournament. In saying that though, I was perfectly happy with either player winning. I was going for sSak but Last winning it would have made a great story.
Someone mentioned up about Last opting for quicker games after the first. I think he knew full well the level sSak's TvT was at, and so after having a solid crack at a macro game and losing, he opted to try quicker plays to try and exploit sSak's game, rather than go head to head with it.
Nah I don't underestimate ssak TvT, in fact I thought he would give a pretty good fight to last as well, better than mong or mind can put up. Just that the manner of how ssak's victory was earned through the last 2 sets leaves much to be desired.
The first game on sin peaks is also the time I felt last became really psychologically unnerved as he felt very confident prior but yet now could not carry out his original game plan successfully (there were a lot of little moves during the early stages that went ssak's way and despite last 's attempt to wrest control of the game by seizing the two high ground on the map early, the advantage built up for ssak and last slowly concedes the high grounds and lost the plot from there)and decide to simply improvise later on.
If the last map wasn't randomly chosen to be sin peaks (a map that last is now shown to struggle with, probably has a psychological fear even), the game can still go either way. Maybe we can blame last for not having a solid backup plan/strat on sin peaks, but hey I guess that's just how the game rolls.
What a strange conversation. sSak deserved to be the winner. You can tell he deserved to win because he won, and I say this as someone who likes Last more than sSak
Hey did someone commentate them in English ? I would really appreciate a link, No "past broadcast" on bisudagger's twitch, and I don't know where else to search
On February 18 2015 19:28 Tufas wrote: Hey did someone commentate them in English ? I would really appreciate a link, No "past broadcast" on bisudagger's twitch, and I don't know where else to search
On February 18 2015 19:28 Tufas wrote: Hey did someone commentate them in English ? I would really appreciate a link, No "past broadcast" on bisudagger's twitch, and I don't know where else to search
On February 18 2015 19:28 Tufas wrote: Hey did someone commentate them in English ? I would really appreciate a link, No "past broadcast" on bisudagger's twitch, and I don't know where else to search
It's so entertaining to see how many fanboys are trying to deny the truth and thinking that Last is the true champion. Anyone can explain what he was thinking in the game on blue storm? going wraiths against vultures? lol.
PS. and spoiler: Neither of the players in this finals isn't really the best player out there, but the winner deserves his win.
On February 18 2015 21:40 Piste wrote: It's so entertaining to see how many fanboys are trying to deny the truth and thinking that Last is the true champion. Anyone can explain what he was thinking in the game on blue storm? going wraiths against vultures? lol.
PS. and spoiler: Neither of the players in this finals isn't really the best player out there, but the winner deserves his win.
What will people say if Kwanro wins the KSL? Should we just hand the trophy to Mind and say this final series really doesn't matter?
On February 18 2015 21:40 Piste wrote: It's so entertaining to see how many fanboys are trying to deny the truth and thinking that Last is the true champion. Anyone can explain what he was thinking in the game on blue storm? going wraiths against vultures? lol.
PS. and spoiler: Neither of the players in this finals isn't really the best player out there, but the winner deserves his win.
On February 17 2015 17:54 shizzz wrote: People just got the old school nostalgia feels when they saw Last in the finals.. but the real TvT god was always going to win it.. ssak fighting!
while i congratulate ssak as well i still have slight reservations considering him a great and worthy champion. while he does show solid effort in his play, he has a relatively easy path to the finals if you look at the opponents he played against. plus he is known for many bloopers in his general play outside of this tourney.
and ssak kinda just caught on to last's weakness and lucked out with big vults runbys in the last 2 set. although i guess its kinda of a karmic retribution for last who lucked out with some cheeses during his tourney run too.
True, sSak's vZ and vP are nowhere near his vT level, and so he was very lucky to have all T at the end (he even said so himself).
Last and Ssak both had a largely tvt run, only Last had it even more so. Ssak had to overcome mini in a series, movie and hero in group play. Last cheesed and defended a cheese from kwanro, cheesed larva, lost to geumchi, and otherwise only beat terrans, two of which are extremely suspect in tvt, or weak in general--- mind and shinee respectively.
If Ssak was lucky for getting a mostly terran run, Last was just as if not luckier, and he was obviously the inferior tvt player anyway.
On February 17 2015 17:54 shizzz wrote: People just got the old school nostalgia feels when they saw Last in the finals.. but the real TvT god was always going to win it.. ssak fighting!
while i congratulate ssak as well i still have slight reservations considering him a great and worthy champion. while he does show solid effort in his play, he has a relatively easy path to the finals if you look at the opponents he played against. plus he is known for many bloopers in his general play outside of this tourney.
and ssak kinda just caught on to last's weakness and lucked out with big vults runbys in the last 2 set. although i guess its kinda of a karmic retribution for last who lucked out with some cheeses during his tourney run too.
True, sSak's vZ and vP are nowhere near his vT level, and so he was very lucky to have all T at the end (he even said so himself).
Last and Ssak both had a largely tvt run, only Last had it even more so. Ssak had to overcome mini in a series, movie and hero in group play. Last cheesed and defended a cheese from kwanro, cheesed larva, lost to geumchi, and otherwise only beat terrans, two of which are extremely suspect in tvt, or weak in general--- mind and shinee respectively.
If Ssak was lucky for getting a mostly terran run, Last was just as if not luckier, and he was obviously the inferior tvt player anyway
Are you forgetting what the actual scoreline of the finals is? For all you know we would be celebrating a different victor if sin peaks was not randomly chosen for the final set.
The protosses all went AWOL in ro8, with seemingly no game plan other than going carriers. Even hiya said so in the ro8 interview, how he didn't really practice but yet he still won cause the tosses played badly. And its real evident Mini play was bad compared to say, his previous ro16 against mong.
Movie overall results was mediocre as well in BOTH SSL and ksl, and we all know how awesome hero zvt is. So yes while last lucked his way to the through the tourney i would say ssak was not really truly tested in other matchups as well during his tourney run.
On February 17 2015 17:54 shizzz wrote: People just got the old school nostalgia feels when they saw Last in the finals.. but the real TvT god was always going to win it.. ssak fighting!
while i congratulate ssak as well i still have slight reservations considering him a great and worthy champion. while he does show solid effort in his play, he has a relatively easy path to the finals if you look at the opponents he played against. plus he is known for many bloopers in his general play outside of this tourney.
and ssak kinda just caught on to last's weakness and lucked out with big vults runbys in the last 2 set. although i guess its kinda of a karmic retribution for last who lucked out with some cheeses during his tourney run too.
True, sSak's vZ and vP are nowhere near his vT level, and so he was very lucky to have all T at the end (he even said so himself).
Last and Ssak both had a largely tvt run, only Last had it even more so. Ssak had to overcome mini in a series, movie and hero in group play. Last cheesed and defended a cheese from kwanro, cheesed larva, lost to geumchi, and otherwise only beat terrans, two of which are extremely suspect in tvt, or weak in general--- mind and shinee respectively.
If Ssak was lucky for getting a mostly terran run, Last was just as if not luckier, and he was obviously the inferior tvt player anyway.
I was just talking about when it came down to the last 4 players, not so much his run. And yea, maybe it was lucky for both of them then .
otherwise only beat terrans, two of which are extremely suspect in tvt, or weak in general--- mind
well mind does look weak if you look at his post kespa tvt results. which i find really unusual as well.
still i find it offensive someone just claim last is inferior in TvT when he just wipe both Mind and Mong out, and was just narrowly edged out by ssak. though mong and mind may not be great in that matchup you don't expect a weak player to beat them both 3-0, especially during these days when almost everyone tend to skimp on mirror matchup practice. In this current scene you only have ssak and sea who is capable of the same feat.
I appreciate the generally mature critical analysis from folks about the merits of sSak/Last, but I'm not a fan of attributing the players' skillful ascensions to luck. The best-of-one format in the Ro32 and Ro16 were very much questionable, and I would have liked to see a Bo3, but the fact remains that the players applied their past experiences, executed their game plans/strategies, and earned their victories. I think it demeans the game to say luck had a significant role in the grand scheme of things, particularly in a mirror match-up where racial imbalance is no longer a factor in the equation.
Both played admirably, and I hope we don't demean and undervalue sSak's victory, just like we don't ignore and fail to appreciate Last's outstanding 7-0 TvT record before the finals. It's been a joy to read the post-game interviews from most of the strong performers and hear about how much they've been practicing along the way. I'm so glad players are taking this competitive eSport seriously and applying themselves
What is it with SSL finals that makes people unable to accept who the winner is? Last time it was the same thing; some people had trouble accepting that Hero lost.
Personally I'm really surprised by the number of people who cheered for Last. I'm biased, of course, having an extreme dislike for him after the way he got out of his Ro16 group, but even tying to overlook that I can't see anything to cheer for in terms of playing style.
I'm just really relieved that ssak won, and happy with the way he won.
Personally I'm really surprised by the number of people who cheered for Last. I'm biased, of course, having an extreme dislike for him after the way he got out of his Ro16 group, but even tying to overlook that I can't see anything to cheer for in terms of playing style.
I'm just really relieved that ssak won, and happy with the way he won.
If you watch all of Last tvt's in ssl and compare them to sSak ones, you can understand i guess. Playstyle refined to almost perfection and total dominance is not a thing you can miss and if you still miss it, well i cant help. Game 3 of last vs ssak is having mostly "if u have time" votes, but i find it to be excelent, Last just lead the game masterfully move after move till the end, not just go abusive all in build as ssak did last 2 games, reminding me of the jaedongs double 4 pool against flash if i remember corretcly, i was glad jaedong didnt advanced in that manner.
Personally I'm really surprised by the number of people who cheered for Last. I'm biased, of course, having an extreme dislike for him after the way he got out of his Ro16 group, but even tying to overlook that I can't see anything to cheer for in terms of playing style.
I'm just really relieved that ssak won, and happy with the way he won.
If you watch all of Last tvt's in ssl and compare them to sSak ones, you can understand i guess. Playstyle refined to almost perfection and total dominance is not a thing you can miss and if you still miss it, well i cant help. Game 3 of last vs ssak is having mostly "if u have time" votes, but i find it to be excelent, Last just lead the game masterfully move after move till the end, not just go abusive all in build as ssak did last 2 games, reminding me of the jaedongs double 4 pool against flash if i remember corretcly, i was glad jaedong didnt advanced in that manner.
We may have a different understanding of game 4, but I had the feeling that the players were gearing up for an all-out Vulture on Vulture war, and Last tried to get sneaky by getting Wraiths in parallel. When ssak saw the Wraiths he must have known that he could win the ground fight since he had put all of his resources up to that point into Vultures. Game 5 also looked like it was going to be Vulture on Vulture, but Last's blunders during the first engagements cost him the game. I wouldn't call either of these games all-ins by ssak, other than the fact that by the time the Wraiths hit in game 4, it really was "do or die" for him. But he said himself that the Vulture play was purposefully done to mess with Last. So it was about as psychological as Jaedong's double 4-pool, but nowhere nearly as cheesy. It's not as though the other player doesn't know you're going Vultures - that's the beauty of it.
I'll admit that Last dominated in game 3, but that was because he won all of the small engagements while getting Wraiths, which then ended it. Anyone can look dominant if they win every single engagement for 5 minutes. So if you're already a Last fan, I'm sure game 3 must have been nice to watch, but I'm not convinced about his awesome play style.
i find last has a very elegant style of tvt. it's like a dance. ssak was more often than not able to spot when last's balance was light and just tipped him over with ultimate simplicity. i still prefer last in tvt and his play to me seems more skillful, but ssak was just really solid overall.
Personally I'm really surprised by the number of people who cheered for Last. I'm biased, of course, having an extreme dislike for him after the way he got out of his Ro16 group, but even tying to overlook that I can't see anything to cheer for in terms of playing style.
I'm just really relieved that ssak won, and happy with the way he won.
If you watch all of Last tvt's in ssl and compare them to sSak ones, you can understand i guess. Playstyle refined to almost perfection and total dominance is not a thing you can miss and if you still miss it, well i cant help. Game 3 of last vs ssak is having mostly "if u have time" votes, but i find it to be excelent, Last just lead the game masterfully move after move till the end, not just go abusive all in build as ssak did last 2 games, reminding me of the jaedongs double 4 pool against flash if i remember corretcly, i was glad jaedong didnt advanced in that manner.
We may have a different understanding of game 4, but I had the feeling that the players were gearing up for an all-out Vulture on Vulture war, and Last tried to get sneaky by getting Wraiths in parallel. When ssak saw the Wraiths he must have known that he could win the ground fight since he had put all of his resources up to that point into Vultures. Game 5 also looked like it was going to be Vulture on Vulture, but Last's blunders during the first engagements cost him the game. I wouldn't call either of these games all-ins by ssak, other than the fact that by the time the Wraiths hit in game 4, it really was "do or die" for him. But he said himself that the Vulture play was purposefully done to mess with Last. So it was about as psychological as Jaedong's double 4-pool, but nowhere nearly as cheesy. It's not as though the other player doesn't know you're going Vultures - that's the beauty of it.
I'll admit that Last dominated in game 3, but that was because he won all of the small engagements while getting Wraiths, which then ended it. Anyone can look dominant if they win every single engagement for 5 minutes. So if you're already a Last fan, I'm sure game 3 must have been nice to watch, but I'm not convinced about his awesome play style.
Personally, I grew to be a fan of Last this SSL. His games overall were terrific and game 3 was the highlight of the night for me. You say that he looks dominant because he won every single engagement but that's also attributed to skills. He got to that point because he outplayed sSak in pretty much everything. His double port wraith addition was not even captured by the observer until the wraiths were joining us with his main army. He literally plowed through sSak lol. Overall, Last's style of TvT is much more interesting and entertaining to watch. Game 2 and 3, especially game 3 show us his capabilities when he plays the matchup his way which is probably why he was 9-0 prior to his final games.
I think most people including myself like Last for his playstyle. He'll go 12 cc one day then bunker rush as terran the next. His game against Hiya is one that I likely won't forget because it was a 'wow, that's something' moment for me. In contrast, sSak's play is solid, no doubt but he pretty much opens the same way and it's something that I vaguely recall Last mentioning in an interview before. Biggest mistake that Last did in game 4 was not trying to buy time with some ebay or building blocks at the choke point. His wraiths were dealing good damage anyway and he can still reclaim his expansion. Better to survive and lose some mining time then not lol. Anyways, both played well and I wouldn't call sSak's game 4 or 5 a vulture all-in like some other poster said.
On February 21 2015 01:37 skzlime wrote: i find last has a very elegant style of tvt. it's like a dance. ssak was more often than not able to spot when last's balance was light and just tipped him over with ultimate simplicity. i still prefer last in tvt and his play to me seems more skillful, but ssak was just really solid overall.
elegant is the word. Fits Last perfectly and that's why I like him.
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