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Just a basic thread for now just to get the message out that this is today! I don't think everyone knows this.
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Croatia9362 Posts
Didn't know this is today!
Anyways, I expect both terrans to advance.
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i basically want all 4 to win T_T
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Netherlands4491 Posts
Thanks for the LR! (My offer still stands for tomorrow)
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A bit off-topic; does anybody know how to prevent the snipe stream from showing a checkers board?
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Netherlands4491 Posts
Mind showing no mercy after Free loses his reaver to a mine.
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scarabs build so much tension.
On July 02 2014 21:07 Peeano wrote: Thanks for the LR! (My offer still stands for tomorrow) You can make tomorrows if you like. Just make it nice and early.
I just made this one this morning when I found out the Starcraft was today and not tomorrow like everyone thought to try and get that message out. Dam June and not quite having the correct number of days. Completely caught out the entire foreign Broodwar community.
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United States13143 Posts
is Mind still good
I hope Mind is still good, dude was awesome
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Man what happened, I walked away for 5 minutes to go take care of something and free already won? Proxy gates?
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Netherlands4491 Posts
Proxy gate in expo. Manner Pylon + Battery in Mind's main.
Mind is still good imo, he has nice macro.
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Australia4514 Posts
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So this is Shuttle vs Mong?
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So are you suggesting I need to change the actual hyperlink not just the name in future?
I've sorted it now.
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United States13143 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:28 Heartland wrote: So this is Shuttle vs Mong? free vs Mind game 3 is this a Bo3, or is it a Bo5?
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On July 02 2014 21:31 Elyvilon wrote:free vs Mind game 3 is this a Bo3, or is it a Bo5? Its a best of 3. Sonics page says that Outsider and Neo Jade will be used from the semi-finals
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United States13143 Posts
wtf was that free, it would have taken like 5 seconds to kill the scouting SCV
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On July 02 2014 21:32 Greg_J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 21:31 Elyvilon wrote:On July 02 2014 21:28 Heartland wrote: So this is Shuttle vs Mong? free vs Mind game 3 is this a Bo3, or is it a Bo5? Its a best of 3. Sonics page says that Outsider and Neo Jade will be used from the semi-finals Thanks! Liquipedia has all 5 maps down for the quarters, going to change it
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On July 02 2014 21:31 Elyvilon wrote:free vs Mind game 3 is this a Bo3, or is it a Bo5?
Thankies
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On July 02 2014 21:32 Greg_J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 21:31 Elyvilon wrote:On July 02 2014 21:28 Heartland wrote: So this is Shuttle vs Mong? free vs Mind game 3 is this a Bo3, or is it a Bo5? Its a best of 3. Sonics page says that Outsider and Neo Jade will be used from the semi-finals Then BD's post and liquipedia are wrong. Was this another last minute change by Sonic?
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On July 02 2014 21:34 Peeano wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 21:32 Greg_J wrote:On July 02 2014 21:31 Elyvilon wrote:On July 02 2014 21:28 Heartland wrote: So this is Shuttle vs Mong? free vs Mind game 3 is this a Bo3, or is it a Bo5? Its a best of 3. Sonics page says that Outsider and Neo Jade will be used from the semi-finals Then BD's post and liquipedia are wrong. Was this another last minute change by Sonic? I read this before i went to bed yesterday
On June 17 2014 05:32 JohnChoi wrote: Schedule: 6/18 Wed Round of 16 Group A 9PM KST 6/19 Thurs Round of 16 Group B 9PM KST 6/25 Wed Round of 16 Group C 9PM KST 6/26 Thurs Round of 16 Group D 9PM KST 7/3 Wed Round of 8 Group A and B 9PM KST 7/4 Thurs Round of 8 Group C and D 9PM KST 7/9 Wed Round of 4 Group A and B Time TBD 7/11 Fri Finals Time TBD and thought theres no Starcraft tomorow. I wonder why its Thursday and Friday this week instead of the normal Wednesday and Thursday.
When I woke up I read this post
On July 02 2014 17:50 Meffyx wrote: 7/3 Wed Round of 8 Group A and B 9PM KST
Since today is 7/2 Wed this is obviously wrong and since sonic events usually take place on Wednesdays, am I right to assume RO8 starts today in ~2 hours? and thought 'are we sure about this'. So I went to Sonics site and its said it was today and I rapidily started making lots of noise to let everyone else I could know.
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On July 02 2014 21:39 Greg_J wrote: and thought 'are we sure about this'. So I went to Sonics site and its said it was today and I rapidily started making lots of noise to let everyone else I could know.
Thanks for that btw, otherwise this probably would have snuck past us
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LOL, free has recalled some ice cream.
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Netherlands4491 Posts
Thx I didn't even notice the date. I just remembered the days. I was talking about the bo5 to bo3 change though.
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United States13143 Posts
hey free
why are you charging in with goon arbiter against tank/vulture
even though you've stasised most of his tanks without zealots what's left will easily handle your ground force
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Netherlands4491 Posts
I think Mind could do a better job at sniping High Templars and EMPing Arbiters. It's costing him a lot of tanks.
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Maybe I am wrong about best of 3. Sonic says
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United States13143 Posts
This game is a lot better than the first two.
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does that comsat still have vision? shouldnt the probes kill it?
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HOLY SHIT THAT RECALL LOL
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United States13143 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:53 Greg_J wrote:Maybe I am wrong about best of 3. Sonic says I can't read that, but I guess we'll find out soon enough
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On July 02 2014 21:53 Shock710 wrote: does that comsat still have vision? shouldnt the probes kill it? comsat doesn't have vision because addons without the appropriate buildings attached to them don't belong to anybody
did you never play the campaigns?
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Netherlands4491 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:53 Shock710 wrote: does that comsat still have vision? shouldnt the probes kill it? No. It is considered a neutral building as soon as it is detached, this is true for all add ons. Another Terran player for example could take it over.
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On July 02 2014 21:55 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 21:53 Shock710 wrote: does that comsat still have vision? shouldnt the probes kill it? comsat doesn't have vision because addons without the appropriate buildings attached to them don't belong to anybody did you never play the campaigns? i remember the campaign mission where u had like a 1 on each building and u have to lift them across this space platform so you could land on these addons and i remember seeing the addons through the fog of war but i cant remember if i had direct vision of them
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On July 02 2014 21:56 Heartland wrote: who is winning? We are. This game is good!
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On July 02 2014 21:56 Heartland wrote: who is winning? I think Mind is; I think free is losing too much on his attacks and Mind will eventually manage to split the map, but I'm not sure
this game is very good
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Netherlands4491 Posts
If only Free took 12 or 9 o'clock while doing all this.
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Thanks Ely.
Wow, this game is so scrappy
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United States13143 Posts
Why isn't free retaking 12?
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What a strange push by Mind
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United States13143 Posts
strange and ineffective, mind is really behind currently
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On July 02 2014 22:14 Elyvilon wrote: What a strange push by Mind Maybe he gambled on Reaver or DT tech. I have no idea. GG
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Netherlands4491 Posts
5th map: Outsider SE (First time used in Sospa and/or hasn't been TLPDized yet)
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On July 02 2014 22:18 Peeano wrote:Maybe he gambled on Reaver or DT tech. I have no idea. GG I don't think that 5 marine, 3 tank push with vulture mines reinforcement could beat DTs; I don't think he had scans. My guess is that he was expecting a fast third.
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United States13143 Posts
I'm glad we got to Outsider, when it was a Proleague map it was probably my favorite map in the circuit, you could get both long macro games and crazy cheeses.
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On July 02 2014 22:19 Peeano wrote: Last map: Outside SE (First time used in Sospa and/or hasn't been TLPDized yet) Outsider, not Outside
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Netherlands4491 Posts
On July 02 2014 22:27 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 22:19 Peeano wrote: Last map: Outside SE (First time used in Sospa and/or hasn't been TLPDized yet) Outsider, not Outside Thx, edited
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On July 02 2014 22:28 Peeano wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 22:27 Elyvilon wrote:On July 02 2014 22:19 Peeano wrote: Last map: Outside SE (First time used in Sospa and/or hasn't been TLPDized yet) Outsider, not Outside Thx, edited Outsider and to a lesser extent Outsider SE had a lot of Proleague play in, I think, 2009-2010? It wasn't a balanced map(especially in PvZ), but it lead to amazing games sometimes, it's really cool map with some really cool concepts.
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United States13143 Posts
Nice dship/tank micro by mind
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I like outsider. Look at the drop, lift, drop lift micro we are getting.
edit: If you where going to pick one map to play Broodwar on for the rest of your life it wouldn't be Outsider. But it offers something different and some very exciting games sometimes. Its great as a one of the maps in a longer series.
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Oh wow, surprise carriers
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United States13143 Posts
Did Mind scan the carriers? Because this is an incredible timing.
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United States13143 Posts
If we're going to talk about fantasy on this map, you really have to mention this game.
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mind wins
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On July 02 2014 22:39 Elyvilon wrote:If we're going to talk about fantasy on this map, you really have to mention this game. That was a great game, but I don't like Fantasy. Hence my pick.
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On July 02 2014 22:40 Peeano wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 22:39 Elyvilon wrote:If we're going to talk about fantasy on this map, you really have to mention this game. That was a great game, but I don't like Fantasy. Hence my pick. I don't either but I also don't like Bisu so eh
My most enduring memory of this map is when it first debuted, and no one was really sure about it, then in one of the first TvZs on it ZerO did this crazy 2gas guardian->ultra rush and I was sold
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United States13143 Posts
This is some relentless dropship harass
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Netherlands4491 Posts
Constant dropship harass and Mind Mong going in deep for an attempt to EMP an arbiter as well. What a baller.
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On July 02 2014 23:02 Peeano wrote: Constant dropship harass and Mind going in deep for an attempt to EMP an arbiter as well. What a baller. (we're on Mong vs Shuttle now)
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I'm a fan of Mong, but watching a Protoss lose this way hurts me, even if it is Shuttle.
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Mong mounting huge comeback in game 2.
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I'm not a fan of the way Shuttle is using his carriers, he's leaving them out in the open in the middle of the map with his goons instead of harassing from the cliffs.
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Gods, Shuttle is such a huge train wreck. Good riddance.
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United States13143 Posts
On July 02 2014 23:38 GeLaar wrote: Gods, Shuttle is such a huge train wreck. Good riddance. He's playing way too scared this game. You have carriers, you're not supposed to deathball in the middle of the map SC2 style with them.
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Mong drops 2 tanks in the main of Shuttle in reach of the natural. Since he dropped the tanks in range of a cannon he kills the cannon first. First 2 siege tank shots are fired on the cannon (as would even happen if he didn't nurse his tanks). After that he lets only 1 tank fire the cannon to finish it and uses the other tank to fire on the probes.
I really like to see players do this, imo it shows you know the game well and you play to win it.
LOCK DOWN! WUT? Awesome!
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Netherlands4491 Posts
I haven't been really following the game. Did Mong skip Vessels/EMP?
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United States13143 Posts
On July 02 2014 23:47 Peeano wrote: I haven't been really following the game. Did Mong skip Vessels/EMP? Yeah, vessels aren't really standard against carrier strategies, pros usually just get more goliaths instead.
Of course, ghosts aren't standard against carriers either.
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Protoss played like crap, for real.
He was mismanaging his Psionic Storms like no one else.
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Had no time to watch free vs mind. Too bad free lost
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On July 02 2014 23:52 TaShadan wrote:Had no time to watch free vs mind. Too bad free lost When the Vods come out, watch the game on Circuit Breaker.
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On July 02 2014 23:48 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 23:47 Peeano wrote: I haven't been really following the game. Did Mong skip Vessels/EMP? Yeah, vessels aren't really standard against carrier strategies, pros usually just get more goliaths instead. Of course, ghosts aren't standard against carriers either. I was wondering because Vessel can still help clear observers and D-matrix, but it costs a lot of gas. Ghosts also cost a lot of gas. Building both is like going Defiler/Ultra/Guardian/Scourge imo. Kind of hard to get away with.
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On July 02 2014 23:54 Peeano wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 23:48 Elyvilon wrote:On July 02 2014 23:47 Peeano wrote: I haven't been really following the game. Did Mong skip Vessels/EMP? Yeah, vessels aren't really standard against carrier strategies, pros usually just get more goliaths instead. Of course, ghosts aren't standard against carriers either. I was wondering because Vessel can still help clear observers and D-matrix, but it costs a lot of gas. Ghosts also cost a lot of gas. Building both is like going Defiler/Ultra/Guardian/Scourge imo. Kind of hard to get away with. Observers aren't as important in carrier strategies though; the standard is for terran to basically stop building vultures and go tank/goliath, so you don't need to detect mines.
You still want some observers, but they're not as essential. Also I don't remember exactly how D-matrix works, but I think it reduces all instances of damage to 1? If that's what it does, then it's not very good against interceptors.
Edit: Anyway I need to go now for an hour or so, someone keep liquipedia updated please
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Switching into Carriers always leaves you weak on the ground army front for a while and thus its normally best to do it if you are a little ahead of the T. However in situations like that last game when the P gets quite a way ahead of the T it just seems to let the T back into the game. If the P had concentrated on ground army and getting basses he would have unassailable grip on the game and could probably have denied the T a 3rd and strangle him out. I’ve seen it quite a few times before when the P has a big lead and goes Carriers and it effectively just surrenders the lead and lets the T macro up again.
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I'd dare to say observers are still as essential if you go carriers otherwise a couple of cloak wraiths can catch you off guard real easy.
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use your shuttle to take ninja expos duh
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that reaver micro attempt was terrible
Shameful day for Aiur.
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Poor Hero, his chances to win it all just went down a lot.
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United States13143 Posts
On July 03 2014 00:03 Greg_J wrote: Switching into Carriers always leaves you weak on the ground army front for a while and thus its normally best to do it if you are a little ahead of the T. However in situations like that last game when the P gets quite a way ahead of the T it just seems to let the T back into the game. If the P had concentrated on ground army and getting basses he would have unassailable grip on the game and could probably have denied the T a 3rd and strangle him out. I’ve seen it quite a few times before when the P has a big lead and goes Carriers and it effectively just surrenders the lead and lets the T macro up again. On most maps I'd agree, but I think on Blue Storm going for carriers was fine, he just needed to actually use them instead of just sitting with his army in the middle of the map doing nothing.
Anyway I'm guessing mong won g3?
According to the OP Shuttle won g3 but the event is no longer on air, did mong win g4?
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On July 03 2014 01:23 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 00:03 Greg_J wrote: Switching into Carriers always leaves you weak on the ground army front for a while and thus its normally best to do it if you are a little ahead of the T. However in situations like that last game when the P gets quite a way ahead of the T it just seems to let the T back into the game. If the P had concentrated on ground army and getting basses he would have unassailable grip on the game and could probably have denied the T a 3rd and strangle him out. I’ve seen it quite a few times before when the P has a big lead and goes Carriers and it effectively just surrenders the lead and lets the T macro up again. On most maps I'd agree, but I think on Blue Storm going for carriers was fine, he just needed to actually use them instead of just sitting with his army in the middle of the map doing nothing. Anyway I'm guessing mong won g3?According to the OP Shuttle won g3 but the event is no longer on air, did mong win g4? Yes. Sorry I forgot to add that in. Mong won game 4.
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On July 03 2014 01:30 Greg_J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 01:23 Elyvilon wrote:On July 03 2014 00:03 Greg_J wrote: Switching into Carriers always leaves you weak on the ground army front for a while and thus its normally best to do it if you are a little ahead of the T. However in situations like that last game when the P gets quite a way ahead of the T it just seems to let the T back into the game. If the P had concentrated on ground army and getting basses he would have unassailable grip on the game and could probably have denied the T a 3rd and strangle him out. I’ve seen it quite a few times before when the P has a big lead and goes Carriers and it effectively just surrenders the lead and lets the T macro up again. On most maps I'd agree, but I think on Blue Storm going for carriers was fine, he just needed to actually use them instead of just sitting with his army in the middle of the map doing nothing. Anyway I'm guessing mong won g3?According to the OP Shuttle won g3 but the event is no longer on air, did mong win g4? Yes. Sorry I forgot to add that in. Mong won game 4. Thanks!
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My favourit toss players are out go hero!
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
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On July 03 2014 03:13 Epoxide wrote:Outsider SE is now tlpdizable with SOSPA. Thanks, updated. I've added Sonics VOD's for groups C and D to the small VOD thread. I'll try and go through and replace group A and B this evening since they are all up too.
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
Looks like my predictions are good so far.
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I've highlighted the Mind Vs Free series. So if anyone wants to watch that its on Twitch here (may spoil number of games). I'll do Shuttle Vs Mong tomorrow and if you desperate to watch it you can go through this broadcast yourself and watch the games.
I'll link Sonics videos when he uploads them.
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Looks like it's Terran season
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So what, its guaranteed that there will be a Terran in the finals?
I hope Piano takes it now.
Hero will ZvT his way up there.
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Sonic has uploaded all these videos now. If anyone missed the games and wants to catch up.
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