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Now that the other thread is 7 pages of flame long i think we need a new one.
Post here the reps you thought were really awesome, and, if possible, why, without spoiling anything!
Draco-OOv game 2 @ Gaia.
Really great, back and forth game, which is a lot like Dracos legendary game vs Midas.
Testie-Midas game 2 @ Gaia.
Another great back and forth game on gaia.
Zelotito-Reason game 1 @ Paranoid Android.
is a really funny one with close ending.
thats some pimpest shit yo=D
Draco-overdrive game 1@gaia
Pretty sweet game, not incredibly special, but considering the fact that overdrive is a "WTF" from uzbekistan it's easy to overlook. Well, don't. Its incredible how much of a challenge for Draco he was.
Overdrive-A_gNoc groupstage @ PA
30 minutes of bloodbath. Brace yourself, micro is a luxury.
Zergraptor-Phoenix groupstage @Azalea
25 minutes of bloodbath. A bit better micro
July-Phoenix game 2@gaia
July+Muta=Phoenix lol.
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Zelotito-Reason game 1 @ Paranoid Android. is a really funny one with close ending.
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+ Show Spoiler +----- why draco didnt use arbiter to hold off those gOOOLIATHSsss. he could have won this game on gaia just like the game vs midas (nice games btw  )... lots of carrier but no arbiter  gratz oov gg draco..
Careful with the spoilers please. - ETT
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I thought A_ngoc vs. Overdrive[a2] was a GG, as was Zergraptor vs. Phoenix (both in groupstage)
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Testie vs Squall (close one)
Testie vs Raven (raven must be pretty pissed because he was very close vs White_ra too)
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On October 22 2006 17:19 larrysbird wrote:
editted
Edit: too late but nice try anyways =[
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july vs phoenix on gaia was lol..
DRACO VS OOV ON GAIA WAS SO FUCKING WINNABLE ALDSJGKASDLKFJASRLKYGJARWLHKJF
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lolllllllll
july vs phoenix on gaia is a must see game
so funny
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This year's wcg is quite the letdown in my opinion ((. Still plenty of decent games of course, mainly outside of group play though -_-''
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Testie and Draco are really fucking good. props <3
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I know its obvious, but how can you not have draco-midas up there?
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iloveoov vs. lowely pretty much showed the power of OOv, eraser, micro + sexy macro.
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Angoc vs Stym (group F) - a pretty smart ZvZ strat by ANgoc IMO.
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On October 22 2006 23:13 mrdx wrote:
Btw who's this guy o_o
fuckin soulsick.
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I guess this is an appropriate place to say this...
Was anyone else going WTF as they watched the games Midas was playing? I mean, I haven't seen anywhere near all of the reps yet, but in the ones I'm seeing, he is consistently running up 4 digit minerals and sometimes 4 digit gas and he makes a ton of sloppy decisions. I was uncharacteristically unimpressed by his performance. I've been considering him the most consistent terran of the moment, but what I am seeing in these replays is leaving me wondering how realistic that assessment is. I'm certainly not taking away credit from Draco and Testie (I haven't seen the Testie games yet, but Draco looked really strong in his game; I still think his macro is a bit weak for a progamer toss player, but his decision making is very sharp and very original and his control is never sloppy -- he looks ready for a starleague appearance), but I mean come on, a player who is top 3 Terran in the world shouldn't be losing that many games to foreigners, and even in the games he's winning he looks very "touchable."
Oov's group stage games were monstrous. "How bad can I embarrass these foreigner newbies." I haven't seen any of July's games yet, but it's probably very similar.
Next year I think the foreigner community will be in good shape to take the title. The top Koreans can't guarantee qualifying, especially if WCG uses new maps next year, meanwhile the very top foreigners (Draco and Testie really, can't comment on Lx or PJ or Mondragon right now...) are looking dangerously close to A-class or even (dare I contradict statements I have said in the past, dare I even think it) S-class progamers in skill.
Edit: Let the controversy begin.
Edit 2: The big weakness is Zerg. I don't think any foreigners yet have a *real* answer for S-class Korean Zergs. P and T players are not a problem it would seem.
and while I'm making this edit, yes I am aware that Koreans swept the medals, but they looked quite touchable, and bear in mind that all three of the Koreans are top 10 in Korea, top 10 in the world.
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United States20661 Posts
On October 22 2006 23:36 Mortality wrote:
I guess this is an appropriate place to say this...
Was anyone else going WTF as they watched the games Midas was playing? I mean, I haven't seen anywhere near all of the reps yet, but in the ones I'm seeing, he is consistently running up 4 digit minerals and sometimes 4 digit gas and he makes a ton of sloppy decisions. I was uncharacteristically unimpressed by his performance. I've been considering him the most consistent terran of the moment, but what I am seeing in these replays is leaving me wondering how realistic that assessment is. I'm certainly not taking away credit from Draco and Testie (I haven't seen the Testie games yet, but Draco looked really strong in his game; I still think his macro is a bit weak for a progamer toss player, but his decision making is very sharp and very original and his control is never sloppy -- he looks ready for a starleague appearance), but I mean come on, a player who is top 3 Terran in the world shouldn't be losing that many games to foreigners, and even in the games he's winning he looks very "touchable."
Oov's group stage games were monstrous. "How bad can I embarrass these foreigner newbies." I haven't seen any of July's games yet, but it's probably very similar.
Next year I think the foreigner community will be in good shape to take the title. The top Koreans can't guarantee qualifying, especially if WCG uses new maps next year, meanwhile the very top foreigners (Draco and Testie really, can't comment on Lx or PJ or Mondragon right now...) are looking dangerously close to A-class or even (dare I contradict statements I have said in the past, dare I even think it) S-class progamers in skill.
Edit: Let the controversy begin.
Edit 2: The big weakness is Zerg. I don't think any foreigners yet have a *real* answer for S-class Korean Zergs. P and T players are not a problem it would seem.
and while I'm making this edit, yes I am aware that Koreans swept the medals, but they looked quite touchable, and bear in mind that all three of the Koreans are top 10 in Korea, top 10 in the world.
Midas is 11th Kespa, 6th Terran ^^
I still think, even if the Koreans sent their 30th progamer [haha Reach -.-] he would still be favored to win title. And if they sent SaviOr, NaDa, any of the best S-class, the Koreans will almost definitely keep the title.
I do think that there might be a little bit of problem if, during the qualifiers, a mid tier progamer somehow wins. But it's unlikely that out of the 2 or 3 Korean envoys, all will be "only" A-class.
The maps weren't all that great, IMO.
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iloveoov's group stage games were just... POWER OVERWHELMING. I mean, WTF, against toss he is 200/200 in about 13 minutes and just rolls over them with like shitload of tanks, insane.
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hehe, every year people say that koreans are more touchable but every year, koreans take more wcg medals.
like some wise guy said
"you might not see the gap, but the gap is there and its fucking huge."
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midas don't look himself in this tourny. he looks like he caught a flu or something.
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On October 23 2006 00:17 haduken wrote:
midas don't look himself in this tourny. he looks like he caught a flu or something.
Doesn't he always look like that all the time?
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United States4991 Posts
On October 23 2006 00:38 mrdx wrote:
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Doesn't he always look like that all the time?
I thought he meant gaming-wise.
Midas did look a lot less good than I expected he would from having heard from various SKT gamers that he is an execution machine (I think at least? o_O). ILoveOOv's execution looked a lot more impressive to me.
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On October 22 2006 19:40 Sadness wrote:
lolllllllll
july vs phoenix on gaia is a must see game
so funny
that was fucking ridiculous, those mutas, damn. phoenix should've won game 1 with better micro, but of course, that's impossible. outmicroing july that is. I feel like if phoenix has better, progamer mechanics, he would have one of the better tvzs compared to a lot pros. also game 1 on PA the drone micro, geez.
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and congrats to overdrive, i always thought he was very smart whenever we played couple months ago, right before wcg played him again, he looked very very sharp.
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Midas` group was a lot harder than Iloveoov`s.
Leg was horribly out of shape and got raped by Lamer, too.
And even Artosis played a nice game against Midas.
btw Cobo´s strategy wasn´t THAT cheesy, it was nicely executed and Midas totally fell for it ...
Another thing is oov looked prepared (for example his strategy against Lamer), while Midas seemed to be going into the games with a naive "I destroy every foreigner without any preparation" - mood. He even said he prepared a strategy for the third place match and then it was easy victory - meaning he didn´t prepare any before.
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Yea, in an interview at GG.net, Oov said that, like other tournaments, he practiced 13 hours iirc. Although he probably didn't try as hard as if, say, it were an OSL, at least he put effort into preparing. :D
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The gap is never going to get closer. Foriengers interests in practicing/playing BW is waning. This year, it seems a lot of players were not playing to get better, they were playing to shake the rust off.
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Koreans was not touchable, Midas was though.
However last year a korean was eleminated by a foreigner so it's nothing new at all. As long as they send 3 koreans one of them will win
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I just watched a bit of Midas games... And yes his macro was running 3 or 4 digits... That would be really understandable if he was kept busy with some micro, but sometimes he wasnt even microing!
Watching the games of Midas vs July even made me think that he lost in purpose! (I know its a bit exagerated but still!)
Anyway, a couple of great game this year in WCG but the Koreans are really intouchables!For those who thought that foreigners had a great shot this year
Just look at how July made Phoenix look like a freaking noob (beating him with muta only...)!
GG everyong though!
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On October 23 2006 00:15 haduken wrote:
hehe, every year people say that koreans are more touchable but every year, koreans take more wcg medals.
like some wise guy said
"you might not see the gap, but the gap is there and its fucking huge."
actually i believe thats true. they just treated this trip as a vacation and werent really trying.
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hehe i really do think that midas wasn't feeling well in italy... i've not seen such terrible games from him before
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Yeah Midas was kind of disappointing, especially during the group stage. He was playing sloppy, nothing close to some games we are used to watch when he plays OSL/MSL. And even that way he managed to claim the top3, and if it wasnt for July he would have taken top2(and if it wasnt for oov top1). Thats how huge the gap is. A top foreigner has a floppy streak of games and he is just out of the tournament. Midas plays sloppy, he still goes all the way up until SumoZerg crushes him.
I think our only hopes relay on Korea sending Mumyung(he...well...), firebathero(he just cant play the mid/late game) and some random amateur who manages to get a spot somehow(some PGT A+ korean)
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i was watching reps i just saw
in the draco vs midas match
draco didnt made +4 interseptor upgrade
was interesting for me
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On October 23 2006 06:03 zir_green wrote:
i was watching reps i just saw
in the draco vs midas match
draco didnt made +4 interseptor upgrade
was interesting for me
haha yeah i was wondering why he had so little carriers. Tasteless too thought it was half hallucinated carriers=)
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Ha yeah, Draco could have won that game much easier with the interceptor upgrade.
Non of the foreigners looked in good nick expept for Testie/Draco/Lx.
Poor old Testie must have been crying after the game vs Midas on PA.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Where did you guys get those replays that are duplicates on the WCG site? Like Draco vs oov on gaia?
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On October 23 2006 09:37 Twisted wrote:
Where did you guys get those replays that are duplicates on the WCG site? Like Draco vs oov on gaia?
It's a bug in their script, but by playing around with the url ("16-1" => "16-2") you can still download them.
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Draco vs Oov was good! Midas vs Draco, Midas vs Testie and JulyZerg vs Phoenix if you want to have a good laugh. Amazing..
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in my opinion legendary vs moonzerg on PA in the group stage was awesome. its worth to watch ^^
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About my comment saying Midas is a top 3 Terran, I know he is ranked behind a number of other Terrans, but based on current form, it was my opinion going into WCG that he was a top 3 Terran. I mean, Oov didn't even qualify for either OSL or MSL this season, and NaDa is ranked higher than Midas even though NaDa only now managed to qualify (hadn't for like a year and change? lol? why ranked higher than Midas?).
Before this tournament I would easily have said Midas looks better than Oov right now, but that's not true at all. Oov is much stronger than Midas.
As I watched those games I kept thinking "How can Boxer look up to you for your mechanics?" Boxer right now, right at this moment, is probably a stronger player than Midas right at this moment even though Boxer's now in the army.
All the people who beat Midas played well. I'm not discrediting them. M1-Chobo looked really nice against Midas. He timed that attack perfectly. I'm not trying to say "well they didn't beat Midas when playing in top form" because beating an S-class progamer in a tournament with money on the line is never easy. NEVER easy. But do I really think Midas is the best TvP in the world after seeing those results? No.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
On October 23 2006 09:52 PoP wrote:
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It's a bug in their script, but by playing around with the url ("16-1" => "16-2") you can still download them.
Thanks !
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yes thats it... complete package 
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i think i only have 2 out of 5 oov's group games, anyone has the resT?
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You underrate Midas Mortality. This is the same Midas that shoulda won vs Savior.
Watch the Draco vs Midas games or any games where Midas is under pressure.
That's where you can see his superior execution. The rest of the games, it seems he had those lack-luster cocky attitudes.
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god wtf is up with "S-Class progamers" this is not DBZ people...
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On October 23 2006 12:53 Raidern wrote:
i think i only have 2 out of 5 oov's group games, anyone has the resT?
The tracker pack has 4 of them (doesn't include the one vs Lamer, there's a vod for that one though).
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i coudnt watch all reps i dont have much time ( i have an exam )
but in the group stage match
lamer vs leg
that was amazing from lamer
i was watching rep with 8x
i thought he is going 1 fact FE cuz he had 1 tank 4-5 rines and 1 bike(tasteless ) and atacking 3 goons
but out of noware 4 vultures were passing 2 goons he made 2 fact BO
that was amazing i never saw something like that
maybe because i play zerg dunno was very impressive for me
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On October 22 2006 20:39 fig_newbie wrote:
Testie and Draco are really fucking good. props <3
yeah, look at their races; protoss
OMG IMBALANCE
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On October 23 2006 13:22 SuperJongMan wrote:
You underrate Midas Mortality. This is the same Midas that shoulda won vs Savior.
Watch the Draco vs Midas games or any games where Midas is under pressure.
That's where you can see his superior execution. The rest of the games, it seems he had those lack-luster cocky attitudes.
I'm well aware of his accomplishments. I expect better. If I'm playing people well below my level, I'm still going to multitask properly. There's just no excuseexcept for maybe bad health, which I doubt. Midas did not play up to par and I am quite confident now that Oov is a vastly superior gamer. If you asked me 1 week ago, I would have said Midas was better.
Oov clearly wasn't putting in 100% effort either, but you can see the huge skill difference between Oov and the non-Koreans. In the games Midas played, there is very little skill difference between his gaming and the non-Koreans he is playing.
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On October 23 2006 13:38 ml1710 wrote:
god wtf is up with "S-Class progamers" this is not DBZ people...
Uhhh, because that's what the Koreans call them? K bye~
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I actually agree that midas did very well against draco, it was clear midas was about to pummel draco with his macro even though he fell to a cheese, and I was wondering how he got that many units. But he lost it with his timing and lack of defense or for a lack of a better word, no aggression.
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On October 23 2006 19:35 tKd_ wrote:
I actually agree that midas did very well against draco, it was clear midas was about to pummel draco with his macro even though he fell to a cheese, and I was wondering how he got that many units. But he lost it with his timing and lack of defense or for a lack of a better word, no aggression.
Midas definitely had moments of greatness like his macro against draco, but wasnt really amazing for most of the tournament. I just dont think he practiced enough.
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Draco vs Oov game 3 was sweet as well. That bunker push was extremely pimp.
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Actually, i'm quite surprised oov said he practiced many hours for WCG. When we talked he was telling me it was too hard to find games (even for him) since all koreans want korean only maps, including his team mates. I think this one to be true, because koreans never want maps they don't need. Even if they get to play oov.
oov is an amazingly nice and mannered guy though. I think he was just being nice when he said he practiced a lot for WCG. Because they just did random SKT1 marine tank builds. And that's a build you use when you haven't practiced that much and are just going to play a straight up good and fairly safe build.
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On October 24 2006 13:03 ToT)Testie( wrote:
And that's a build you use when you haven't practiced that much and are just going to play a straight up good and fairly safe build.
Isn't that all they really need to do anyways?
Anyways Nick, just for my own curiosity, does oov speak English? Good English? I've always loved oov since he's the cockiest progamer around in his gamestyle, but intersting to hear he's really gm too. ^_^
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Oov is art.
He speaks small broken english, but better than the others. And he's just a really great person imo. Nice, and funny too actually. But yeah ET, he's really nice. If I were in korea, i'd be an oov fan. Perhaps the nicest of all the koreans i've met. You can just tell, he's a good person.
He kicked ass at the gladiator game as well. Mine especially. lol
lol, now that i've made this post there's going to be future reports of him in a drug and prostitution ring or something terrible like that. Totally negating my post.
But nah, he kicks ass.
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On October 24 2006 14:12 ToT)Testie( wrote:
Oov is art.
He speaks small broken english, but better than the others. And he's just a really great person imo. Nice, and funny too actually. But yeah ET, he's really nice. If I were in korea, i'd be an oov fan. Perhaps the nicest of all the koreans i've met. You can just tell, he's a good person.
He kicked ass at the gladiator game as well. Mine especially. lol
lol, now that i've made this post there's going to be future reports of him in a drug and prostitution ring or something terrible like that. Totally negating my post.
But nah, he kicks ass.
oov <3
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Testie, how would you rate the progamers' performance, compared to yourself?
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i posted some comments about testie before wcg
i only dont like your racepicing random style
but he plays zerg and expacially protoss in a very smart style
i thought before wcg that he can bet top 4 beating midas but 2-1 it was close
gogo testie u are great
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pretty much u want to watch everything with draco, testie, lx and the koreans
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Sweden33719 Posts
On October 22 2006 23:36 Mortality wrote:
I guess this is an appropriate place to say this...
Was anyone else going WTF as they watched the games Midas was playing? I mean, I haven't seen anywhere near all of the reps yet, but in the ones I'm seeing, he is consistently running up 4 digit minerals and sometimes 4 digit gas and he makes a ton of sloppy decisions. I was uncharacteristically unimpressed by his performance. I've been considering him the most consistent terran of the moment, but what I am seeing in these replays is leaving me wondering how realistic that assessment is. I'm certainly not taking away credit from Draco and Testie (I haven't seen the Testie games yet, but Draco looked really strong in his game; I still think his macro is a bit weak for a progamer toss player, but his decision making is very sharp and very original and his control is never sloppy -- he looks ready for a starleague appearance), but I mean come on, a player who is top 3 Terran in the world shouldn't be losing that many games to foreigners, and even in the games he's winning he looks very "touchable."
Oov's group stage games were monstrous. "How bad can I embarrass these foreigner newbies." I haven't seen any of July's games yet, but it's probably very similar.
Next year I think the foreigner community will be in good shape to take the title. The top Koreans can't guarantee qualifying, especially if WCG uses new maps next year, meanwhile the very top foreigners (Draco and Testie really, can't comment on Lx or PJ or Mondragon right now...) are looking dangerously close to A-class or even (dare I contradict statements I have said in the past, dare I even think it) S-class progamers in skill.
Edit: Let the controversy begin.
Edit 2: The big weakness is Zerg. I don't think any foreigners yet have a *real* answer for S-class Korean Zergs. P and T players are not a problem it would seem.
and while I'm making this edit, yes I am aware that Koreans swept the medals, but they looked quite touchable, and bear in mind that all three of the Koreans are top 10 in Korea, top 10 in the world.
I agree, midas played Snorecraft and didn't even do it well.
"Is this REALLY the guy who went 12-1 TvP on ongamenet..?"
Iloveoov hrm.. Game 1 vs draco = Wtf was he doing? I'm really interested to know what he was planning to do before he found the proxy gate O_O
Game 2 - uhm well, he should have lost, definitely should have lost (draco should have just raped 7 with his carriers).
Game 3 he 1) Shouldn't have retreated goons from oov's choke until siege.
2) Shouldn't have sent his probes away from his nat so quickly, he would have been able to afford speed zealots etc if he didn't!
But at least oov made an effort to not play snorecraft, midas just sat there -_-
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I think midas played far far far from his best level at wcg. Reasons for that can be many, lack of sleep, not handeling the food there, being sick or whatever, but I wouldnt jump to conclusions and just totally forget what he has done the past months due to one bad tournament. He can play ALOT better than he showed at WCG, so my opinion on his skills havent really changed.
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He played shitty vs Aqua too. Unfortunately I didn't want to stay up late enough to find out how he did against Iris, + Show Spoiler +but I saw the Liquibet results, which were no surprise.
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Forgive me if this has been asked but where can I get the oov/July reps?They're not in the reps folder on the tracker and I've tried using the search function to no avail.
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I also search these reps from final
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I don't think they've been released yet GuyuTe-
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Uhhh....replays were released like 4 days ago? ;;
go to gg.net
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Mortality he was asking for the oov/july replays......which were not released yet iirc.......some group replays were missing too
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On October 25 2006 17:24 StarcraftNewb wrote:
Mortality he was asking for the oov/july replays......which were not released yet iirc.......some group replays were missing too
Sigh, they need to stop calling it the "finals tournament." That's not the first time I've been confused in conversation by that.
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MOrtality I think you have an extremely bad analysis of Midas, for reasons I don't really want to discuss since I"m going to sleep now and don't want to take any more time. But I think it's really shallow and bad.
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