Due to an unforeseen change of events, the SCII people / the oldschool tournament will be postponed. The new date will be the 10th May, 20:00 CET. The German King of the Hill (Cryoc vs. kab) will be played on 4th of May, 20 CET.
It's been a while since Cele came up with the idea to host a somewhat regular show for German speaking players - our German King of the Hill. In the first episode Cryoc challenged the self proclaimed "King" ReY. The Kingslayer then defended his throne against TEH, whom we saw in the ILME Round of 16. Twice Cryoc could not really be taken down - maybe this changes.
The next episode will air in the evening hours of next Sunday, the 4th May. This event will feature tons of oldschool players. For the highlight of the evening Cryoc has to face none other than ips.Kab. If you're not German you might not really know him, however, we do. Kab used to be an active asset to the German B National Team, as well as its manager in the years before beta. He started to prepare somewhat like a month ago, already beat the previous challenger TEH in some of these training games and is up for no good.
Personally, I'm thrilled to see Kab back in action, I remember him from his high quality IRC #broodwar.de staff channel quotes. Seriously, I really do miss the time. Then again, Cryoc is no push over and currently among the stronger foreign Terrans. Old vs. New, Take 1.
waschito: warum wählst du azalea gegen nen zerg? kab: weil ich fe spielen wollte und ihn mit meinem monster makro killn wollte kab: aber ich hab mich dann ned getraut fe zu spielen, weil ich dachte er poolt
waschito: why would you pick azalea against zerg? kab: cause i wanted to go fe and kill him with my monster macro kab: but i didn't dare to play fe, cause i thought he'd go pool first
[13:47:46] <@ips|kab|cable> um mich noch mehr zu profilieren hab ich mal nachgeschaut wie gut mein gegner denn so war !! [13:47:55] <@ips|kab|cable> er hat alle nws bis auf einen verloren und gg mich [13:47:56] <@waschito> und? ^^ [13:47:56] <@ips|kab|cable> xD! [13:48:05] <@ips|kab|cable> äh [13:48:06] <@ips|kab|cable> fuck [13:48:07] <@ips|kab|cable> anderrum
[13:47:46] <@ips|kab|cable> to brag more, i looked up how good my opponent was !! [13:47:55] <@ips|kab|cable> he lost all but one nw (nation war) and vs me [13:47:56] <@waschito> so? ^^ [13:47:56] <@ips|kab|cable> xD! [13:48:05] <@ips|kab|cable> errr [13:48:06] <@ips|kab|cable> fuck [13:48:07] <@ips|kab|cable> other way round
As far as the mode goes - nothing will be changed. It's still a best of five, two maps will be voted out. One small change: 25 Euros are reserved for the winner, sponsored by clans.de. Keep this in mind. Do you know this page? No? Check its staff, there is someone you should know. If you don't, you're an idiot and have no idea of foreign Brood War. More to that later. Oh, the excitment.
Oldschool Tournament - 75€
Hold on to your seats, this is where it's getting awesome: Broodwar.de also hosts an all-Protoss four player single elimination tournament with four really big names. There are 75 Euros on the line for the winner, so it's not going to be just a row of outdated players fighting. Without further ado, here are the participants:
ips.Radio (TLO)
To start off with the "newschool" player of the tournament, I'd pick TLO. He's probably known to many StarCraft II fans, as he started out as one of the most successful foreigners shortly after the Beta. I really didn't follow the scene, but I was told he is a really huge name. In Brood War he wasn't that bad either. The Protoss apparently was on the verge of making it to the international top class shortly before the WoL Beta, had some decent records in leagues like the BWCL and was already part of the German National Team. However, there were others just as good as him. He's probably one of the favourites to take the small prize, given that he's still rather active in SCII and kept on training Brood War until the foreign scene broke down.
Socke[pG]
Now it gets increasingly harder to not write with a massive bias. Socke used to be one of my favourite players back in the day. He participated in WCG 2002 together with one of the other participants. In the golden days of foreign Brood War Socke was considered to be a huge talent of the German scene, despite his young age. He was part of pro Gaming's German wing, member of the German National Team for more than two years, regularly fought in the German premier events, such as the Giga Grand Slams. His skill was rather high, he really was top class - especially his Reaver control was brilliant. He used to kill thousands of Probes with a single Reaver before he flew them into a stray Photon Cannon for no reason ever. Seriously, look out for him. Just like TLO Socke also still plays SCII on a fairly high level. Last time I saw Socke was in late 2010, where he raped me 3-0 in PvP after not having played for more than five years. I was C back then. I seriously hope he maintained that level, or at least did not forget how to micro down any Protoss with his Reavers.
iv.GoOdy
The third one to join the tournament is GoOdy. He started out as mucho player and was known to mass games whenever he could. He was active since the dawn of time and did well even in the early days. He was not really a push over, played for the German National Team and won several LANs. However, it took a while since the Terran stepped up his game. Around 2007 he switched to Protoss and that's when he made his final break through, at least in my eyes. It didn't take long until he did not only do well in the German scene, but showed his talent during bigger tournaments, like the WCG 2007, in which he made it to the Round of 8. In the TSLs he would've qualified twice with an A- rank, but for some reason he resetted his stats. Nevermind that. He probably was the strongest German Protoss shortly before the Beta.
FiSheYe[pG]
FiSheYe is a name you have to know and the guy to probably thank for the 100€. Nowadays he runs the project clans.de. Back in 2002 he dominated the German scene. He won so many WCG Nationals, that it's hard to list all his achievements. He also was the only foreigner to almost beat a Korean in a WCG Grand Finals - 1-2, the runner-up of WCG 2003. It's hard to decide what to pick to promote this exceptional foreigner. The silver medal is a must, but how to describe his contributions to strategy? His stellar micro? Him being the killer he was? Seriously, FiSheYe is a legend.
To read more on FiSheYe's dominance, a glimpse on Socke's skill and the history of their clan - progaming - I recommend to read the article Duel of the Fates.
Mode
The mode will be a best of three for each round. Winner advances, loser is out. Easy as that. When exactly this is going to be casted is not sure yet. The stream will be up in the evening hours next Sunday, before or after the German KOTH game. I'd recommend to watch out for a calendar entry!
Maps: Fighting Spirit, Lost Temple, Outsider, Circuit Breakers, Sniper Ridge (2 Vetoes for every Round)
Disclaimer: I have nothing do to with this event. All thanks should be directed at broodwar.de & clans.de for money / structure, Cele for the KOTH and the Tournament, as well as to Gundalf - and all the other helpers, players and so on.
On April 28 2014 20:53 vanatir wrote: I wanna see mondi in this. looks like we will get some interesting games
i'd be mildly interested to see Mondragon play aswell (read:I'd sell my firstborn without hesitation!) but, alas, Mondi doesnt really do BW anymore and we weren't able to convince him
I remember watching his reps when i just started playing BW online in like 2004. For some reason I remember him as a 2v2 player (probably because I saw some of his 2v2 replays and they stuck with me). Him and BrEaKdOwN were my favorite German players, which reminds me, hopefully we see BrEaKdOwN in one of these events soon. I thought he was still playing BW sporadically.
On April 28 2014 22:31 2Pacalypse- wrote: OMG FiSheYe!
I remember watching his reps when i just started playing BW online in like 2004. For some reason I remember him as a 2v2 player (probably because I saw some of his 2v2 replays and they stuck with me). Him and BrEaKdOwN were my favorite German players, which reminds me, hopefully we see BrEaKdOwN in one of these events soon. I thought he was still playing BW sporadically.
Even if I cannot tell you for sure, but chances that BrEaKdOwN will play are not small. Maybe not in the next two events, but it is definitly possible
such an awesome Movie, havent seen that one quite some time (;
How cool two of those are going to play in this event. Besides the germans i spotted Draco, legendary polish P user and ToT)Eriador( aka Liquid'Drone, a norwegian famous zerg who played recently in TLS as well.
Aber bitte den Cast nicht wieder auf "englisch" halten. Ich weiß zwar, dass ihr damit mehr Leute erreichen wollt und will auch die Caster damit nicht beleidigen, aber wenn das Englisch einfach nicht flüssig genug gesprochen wird, dann schreckt das imho mehr ab, als es nutzt.
If I reading it wrote he hopes cast won't be in English. Which make sense because it's a German event. However the reasoning seems to be even though he knows you want to reach as big of an audience as possible...and then I get confused.
Can't tell if the next part means that he is worried the caster won't be fluent enough at English and people won't like it, or the German audience is not fluent enough in English to enjoy such a cast and it will scare of German viewers.
Or maybe that's all wrong and I'm just super terrible at German.
Aber bitte den Cast nicht wieder auf "englisch" halten. Ich weiß zwar, dass ihr damit mehr Leute erreichen wollt und will auch die Caster damit nicht beleidigen, aber wenn das Englisch einfach nicht flüssig genug gesprochen wird, dann schreckt das imho mehr ab, als es nutzt.
If I reading it wrote he hopes cast won't be in English. Which make sense because it's a German event. However the reasoning seems to be even though he knows you want to reach as big of an audience as possible...and then I get confused.
Can't tell if the next part means that he is worried the caster won't be fluent enough at English and people won't like it, or the German audience is not fluent enough in English to enjoy such a cast and it will scare of German viewers.
Or maybe that's all wrong and I'm just super terrible at German.
your German is not terrible at all it seems. Here is the translation for you and who else might care:
Revenger wrote: Just please don't cast in "English" (indicating it's not proper English). I'm aware you want to reach more people by doing so and i don't want to insult the Casters, but if the English isn't fluent, it deters more (people), than it helps (with the viewer count).
To answer that Question: We don't know yet. We're aware our English is far from perfect, as none of us is a native speaker, but on the other hand we wish not to exclude somebody from the Cast by speaking German.
Of course the event was created with the German sub scene in mind, but it should be accessible for everybody else as well.
I have thought about this issue for some time now and haven't come up with a better idea than this:
Poll: Which language would you prefer for the Koth cast?
Gernan, im german speaking (23)
34%
english, i dont speak german (18)
27%
german, i dont speak german but i don't mind (8)
12%
english, i speak german but i prefer/dont mind english casting (18)
27%
67 total votes
Your vote: Which language would you prefer for the Koth cast?
(Vote): Gernan, im german speaking (Vote): english, i dont speak german (Vote): german, i dont speak german but i don't mind (Vote): english, i speak german but i prefer/dont mind english casting
On April 28 2014 23:54 SpaNiarD wrote: There was a movie from clan pG that motivated me for many years. I think most of them are Germans. Just nice to watch :D + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E2V9s5UunE
Thank you so much for posting this Spani. Brings back good memories .
Ger KOTH: 3rd, 20:00 CET Oldschool Tour: 10th, 20:00 CET
Stream: twitch.tv/instarcraft.tv
please take this as the real dates, I'm kind of in a hurry, so the OP might still feature some wrong dates in the text. Don't mind them. Also, gogo kab!
we're sorry to announce the new schedule for the events rather late to you folks. On the other hand, it might be a good thing too. More days with broodwar seems like a good thing, as there is not a whole lot going on tournament wise right now (;
On April 29 2014 10:23 L_Master wrote: If you do decide you want a cast in English, I would be happy to; but I would have to see if it interferes with work schedule
Gecko answer him! xD, I would also be interested in casting this with you LMaster if you want company.
I have thought about this issue for some time now and haven't come up with a better idea than this:
voted for option 1, cater to your domestic audience. personally i know enough that i'd probably get the gist of what's being said, but in general it's not like any of us old school BW fans knew any korean when watching proleague/OSL, is it?
On April 29 2014 10:23 L_Master wrote: If you do decide you want a cast in English, I would be happy to; but I would have to see if it interferes with work schedule
Gecko answer him! xD, I would also be interested in casting this with you LMaster if you want company.
Im sorry guys, but we're not planing to work with secondary streams for the event (;
On April 29 2014 10:23 L_Master wrote: If you do decide you want a cast in English, I would be happy to; but I would have to see if it interferes with work schedule
Gecko answer him! xD, I would also be interested in casting this with you LMaster if you want company.
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Im sorry guys, but we're not planing to work with secondary streams for the event (;
It's fine it was just an offer since the event is pretty cool and rare.What I don't get is why you are treating this as something exclusive to German starcraft fans. Are there sponsors for this that we are at risk of offending? Like most Korean stuff we could always restream a day later instead of live if its about sharing the spotlight.
On April 29 2014 07:45 L_Master wrote: Somebody wanna help clarify this for me
Aber bitte den Cast nicht wieder auf "englisch" halten. Ich weiß zwar, dass ihr damit mehr Leute erreichen wollt und will auch die Caster damit nicht beleidigen, aber wenn das Englisch einfach nicht flüssig genug gesprochen wird, dann schreckt das imho mehr ab, als es nutzt.
If I reading it wrote he hopes cast won't be in English. Which make sense because it's a German event. However the reasoning seems to be even though he knows you want to reach as big of an audience as possible...and then I get confused.
Can't tell if the next part means that he is worried the caster won't be fluent enough at English and people won't like it, or the German audience is not fluent enough in English to enjoy such a cast and it will scare of German viewers.
Or maybe that's all wrong and I'm just super terrible at German.
your German is not terrible at all it seems. Here is the translation for you and who else might care:
Revenger wrote: Just please don't cast in "English" (indicating it's not proper English). I'm aware you want to reach more people by doing so and i don't want to insult the Casters, but if the English isn't fluent, it deters more (people), than it helps (with the viewer count).
To answer that Question: We don't know yet. We're aware our English is far from perfect, as none of us is a native speaker, but on the other hand we wish not to exclude somebody from the Cast by speaking German.
Of course the event was created with the German sub scene in mind, but it should be accessible for everybody else as well.
I've spoken with both Bakuryu and Gecko, and they both have perfect English. They might say their English isn't that good, but their grasp of the English language is pretty fucking good.
On April 29 2014 10:23 L_Master wrote: If you do decide you want a cast in English, I would be happy to; but I would have to see if it interferes with work schedule
Gecko answer him! xD, I would also be interested in casting this with you LMaster if you want company.
.
Im sorry guys, but we're not planing to work with secondary streams for the event (;
It's fine it was just an offer since the event is pretty cool and rare.What I don't get is why you are treating this as something exclusive to German starcraft fans. Are there sponsors for this that we are at risk of offending? Like most Korean stuff we could always restream a day later instead of live if its about sharing the spotlight.
well, i was a bit unsure what the sponsor would think about it, but i found out they wouldnt mind. But mainly, we havent decided yet, in which language we're casting. I prefer casting in English in order to not exclude anybody. And Judging from the vote results, the majority does prefer english casting. In the case, me and Redwarrior cast in english, we don't really need a second stream. On the other hand, if we decide to cast in German it makes perfect sense to have a second stream in english, i agree to you and then we'd all be happy if you and L_Master do it.
We just havent decided on that yet. I realize now my answer above was a bit abrupt and obviously lacked an explanaition, so sorry for that :>
€: Final Pow-Wow of the planning group just finished, we decided to cast in german. So if you guys are still interested, id would be nice to have you on board
On April 29 2014 10:23 L_Master wrote: If you do decide you want a cast in English, I would be happy to; but I would have to see if it interferes with work schedule
Gecko answer him! xD, I would also be interested in casting this with you LMaster if you want company.
.
Im sorry guys, but we're not planing to work with secondary streams for the event (;
It's fine it was just an offer since the event is pretty cool and rare.What I don't get is why you are treating this as something exclusive to German starcraft fans. Are there sponsors for this that we are at risk of offending? Like most Korean stuff we could always restream a day later instead of live if its about sharing the spotlight.
well, i was a bit unsure what the sponsor would think about it, but i found out they wouldnt mind. But mainly, we havent decided yet, in which language we're casting. I prefer english and always did following the same logic: i didnt want to exclude anybody. And Judging from the vote results, the majority does prefer english casting. But in that case, we wouldn't need tweo streams.
But if we cast in german, there is of course absolutely no reason to have no second stream in english.
I had to read that last statement twice, in order to get it right. There are so many negations in that sentence.. haha :-D
And still only 23 votes. The most importants votes are English cast 8 vs 7 German cast. I'm not quite sure, if that's really representitive.
On April 29 2014 10:23 L_Master wrote: If you do decide you want a cast in English, I would be happy to; but I would have to see if it interferes with work schedule
Gecko answer him! xD, I would also be interested in casting this with you LMaster if you want company.
.
Im sorry guys, but we're not planing to work with secondary streams for the event (;
It's fine it was just an offer since the event is pretty cool and rare.What I don't get is why you are treating this as something exclusive to German starcraft fans. Are there sponsors for this that we are at risk of offending? Like most Korean stuff we could always restream a day later instead of live if its about sharing the spotlight.
well, i was a bit unsure what the sponsor would think about it, but i found out they wouldnt mind. But mainly, we havent decided yet, in which language we're casting. I prefer casting in English in order to not exclude anybody. And Judging from the vote results, the majority does prefer english casting. In the case, me and Redwarrior cast in english, we don't really need a second stream. On the other hand, if we decide to cast in German it makes perfect sense to have a second stream in english, i agree to you and then we'd all be happy if you and L_Master do it.
We just havent decided on that yet. I realize now my answer above was a bit abrupt and obviously lacked an explanaition, so sorry for that :>
€: Final Pow-Wow of the planning group just finished, we decided to cast in german. So if you guys are still interested, id would be nice to have you on board
Poll: Which language would you prefer for the Koth cast?
Gernan, im german speaking (23)
34%
english, i dont speak german (18)
27%
german, i dont speak german but i don't mind (8)
12%
english, i speak german but i prefer/dont mind english casting (18)
27%
67 total votes
Your vote: Which language would you prefer for the Koth cast?
(Vote): Gernan, im german speaking (Vote): english, i dont speak german (Vote): german, i dont speak german but i don't mind (Vote): english, i speak german but i prefer/dont mind english casting
Poll: Which language would you prefer for the Koth cast?
Gernan, im german speaking (23)
34%
english, i dont speak german (18)
27%
german, i dont speak german but i don't mind (8)
12%
english, i speak german but i prefer/dont mind english casting (18)
27%
67 total votes
Your vote: Which language would you prefer for the Koth cast?
(Vote): Gernan, im german speaking (Vote): english, i dont speak german (Vote): german, i dont speak german but i don't mind (Vote): english, i speak german but i prefer/dont mind english casting
Looks like everyone agrees on this.
By the way, calendar says it's on the 4th May.
Um, yes.. that should be true. Sunday, May 4th, 20 CEST. That's correct. At first we announced sat., may 3rd but we corrected this a few days ago.
Poll: Which language would you prefer for the Koth cast?
Gernan, im german speaking (23)
34%
english, i dont speak german (18)
27%
german, i dont speak german but i don't mind (8)
12%
english, i speak german but i prefer/dont mind english casting (18)
27%
67 total votes
Your vote: Which language would you prefer for the Koth cast?
(Vote): Gernan, im german speaking (Vote): english, i dont speak german (Vote): german, i dont speak german but i don't mind (Vote): english, i speak german but i prefer/dont mind english casting
Looks like everyone agrees on this.
By the way, calendar says it's on the 4th May.
Yes, the Information in the OP is wrong and Gecko isnt really online to edit it. So, stick to the calendar pls: Sunday 4th of May, 20 CET
On April 29 2014 10:23 L_Master wrote: If you do decide you want a cast in English, I would be happy to; but I would have to see if it interferes with work schedule
Gecko answer him! xD, I would also be interested in casting this with you LMaster if you want company.
.
Im sorry guys, but we're not planing to work with secondary streams for the event (;
It's fine it was just an offer since the event is pretty cool and rare.What I don't get is why you are treating this as something exclusive to German starcraft fans. Are there sponsors for this that we are at risk of offending? Like most Korean stuff we could always restream a day later instead of live if its about sharing the spotlight.
1. I am not involved in this project 2. I don't give a shit about US people. Why is it you dumbfucked Americans think it's about you when it's not. Most Germans wanted to have a German cast, because we did not have a cast in our language for longer than six years by now. Got it?
On April 29 2014 10:23 L_Master wrote: If you do decide you want a cast in English, I would be happy to; but I would have to see if it interferes with work schedule
Gecko answer him! xD, I would also be interested in casting this with you LMaster if you want company.
.
Im sorry guys, but we're not planing to work with secondary streams for the event (;
It's fine it was just an offer since the event is pretty cool and rare.What I don't get is why you are treating this as something exclusive to German starcraft fans. Are there sponsors for this that we are at risk of offending? Like most Korean stuff we could always restream a day later instead of live if its about sharing the spotlight.
1. I am not involved in this project 2. I don't give a shit about US people. Why is it you dumbfucked Americans think it's about you when it's not. Most Germans wanted to have a German cast, because we did not have a cast in our language for longer than six years by now. Got it?
Gecko go easy. Patrick offered to cast the event and im glad about it. It gave us the perfect opportunity to have a stream in both languages. No harm done.
Thx everybody for wattching, i hope you enjoyed it. Stay tuned next Saturday for epic protoss battles xD
the second game between kab and cryoc was a little bit... strange. terran had thousands of mine and facs, all of them not being used while protoss attacked. i don't know, people got nervous in some situations, but this game was really really strange.
On May 05 2014 04:44 puppykiller wrote: Is there both? I say let the germans have there stream. We listen to sc in korean all the time no issue listening to it in german .
I remember how you dressed as caster in a grudge match stream...you clearly have no issue with german. >.>
Pike: ips.radio wasnt the biggest name in Broodwar, that's true, but if you havent heard of goody, you missed something: he was the nr.1 german toss right before the beta IMO
On May 05 2014 07:35 NoFear.NcC wrote: the second game between kab and cryoc was a little bit... strange. terran had thousands of mine and facs, all of them not being used while protoss attacked. i don't know, people got nervous in some situations, but this game was really really strange.
Yeah, my macro was really lack luster and right before that final push I thought I already won and was pretty surprised when he crushed my army there.
On May 09 2014 03:38 Cele wrote: Allright folks, get ready for this Staurday 20 CET, as we are going to bring you fisheye, Socke, TLO and Goody for some epicness.]
Hopefully, Bisudagger will accompany us again and provide the english stream, so that Redwarrior and myself can cast in german.
I might have seen also a couple of the guys online playing and they're surely catching up to their old skills fast (;
I"m not sure I can make it . I hate being last minute decision on this. I might be in a car driving across the state for work this weekend. Bah.
On May 09 2014 03:38 Cele wrote: Allright folks, get ready for this Staurday 20 CET, as we are going to bring you fisheye, Socke, TLO and Goody for some epicness.]
Hopefully, Bisudagger will accompany us again and provide the english stream, so that Redwarrior and myself can cast in german.
I might have seen also a couple of the guys online playing and they're surely catching up to their old skills fast (;
I love that they're actually practicing for this. I'm excited!
"Pike: ips.radio wasnt the biggest name in Broodwar, that's true, but if you havent heard of goody, you missed something: he was the nr.1 german toss right before the beta IMO"
sure that i heard, even remember that games vs him aka easy points, however i'm not going to call myself as an oldschool and i'm longer at scene than him
"nowadays ips.Radio is better known as Liquid.TLO So watch your mouth!"
we are talking about past = firstly he isn't oldschool, secondly he wasn't even good so better watch your mouth!
On May 11 2014 08:45 PiKe wrote: "Pike: ips.radio wasnt the biggest name in Broodwar, that's true, but if you havent heard of goody, you missed something: he was the nr.1 german toss right before the beta IMO"
sure that i heard, even remember that games vs him aka easy points, however i'm not going to call myself as an oldschool and i'm longer at scene than him
"nowadays ips.Radio is better known as Liquid.TLO So watch your mouth!"
we are talking about past = firstly he isn't oldschool, secondly he wasn't even good so better watch your mouth!
yeah, dunno what's your beef here, but whatever man.
On May 11 2014 08:45 PiKe wrote: "Pike: ips.radio wasnt the biggest name in Broodwar, that's true, but if you havent heard of goody, you missed something: he was the nr.1 german toss right before the beta IMO"
sure that i heard, even remember that games vs him aka easy points, however i'm not going to call myself as an oldschool and i'm longer at scene than him
"nowadays ips.Radio is better known as Liquid.TLO So watch your mouth!"
we are talking about past = firstly he isn't oldschool, secondly he wasn't even good so better watch your mouth!
Roa-radio is very oldschool. He never was really good or wellknown though. He played bw for a long time and pretty early. I am not sure but when i played from 1999 till 2006 (i think he started something around 2001 or 2002) he was kind of active too. Playing mainly on a BWCL-3 team though (RoA). He later joined IPS in 2008 or 2009? Not sure about that, that was after i quitted bw.
EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JVE0ZfD.jpg)
Cryoc challenged the self proclaimed "King" ReY. The Kingslayer then defended his throne against TEH, whom we saw in the 
iFU.Cryoc vs. 
ips.Kab
