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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
January 18 2014 21:21 GMT
#1961
No team has any disadvantage from the lineups being posted a bit late


I'm not exactly thrilled about it either, but nonetheless the rules are there and clear. As far as the quoted statement, I don't totally agree because one team could be planning to do a bunch of gangbusters practice and without those lineups their practice time is limited...now two hours is basically nothing, but still the concept exists, and the line has to be drawn somewhere.

As always though, if the other teams captain is okay with "declining" the penalty that is fine by me.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
January 18 2014 21:46 GMT
#1962
I agree it sucks and I do feel bad because it sort of cheapens any win, but at the same time rules are rules.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-18 22:36:15
January 18 2014 22:16 GMT
#1963
On January 19 2014 06:15 ggrrg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 06:12 L_Master wrote:
On January 19 2014 06:03 SynC[gm] wrote:
On January 19 2014 05:36 L_Master wrote:
Khan v mSj
Arb <Destination> mSj[R2D2]
Gorg <Fighting Spirit> mSj[naxel]
Kopp <Circuit Breaker> mSj[Anxarat]
Xkcd <MatchPoint> mSj[Mr.LiR]
Napoleon <SniperRidge> mSj[Holy]

Oz v Courage
[Sam]Gohan <Destination> aeghrur
Comsat <Fighting Spirit> tonight
Smokeybear <Circuit Breaker> prophecy_
TheMarine <MatchPoint> Sentenal
Arca(Crema) <SniperRidge> RedAxis

Unfortunate as it is for playoffs, both Khan and Oz had late lineups and will be receiving a 2 set penalty

So just as confirmation, hypothetically, even if Oz wins the series 3-2 against Courage, Courage will still be advancing into the finals? And if Oz wins 4-1, Oz will move onto the finals?


Yes, that's how it would operate.


I strongly urge you to reconsider this desicion.
No team has any disadvantage from the lineups being posted a bit late and the two or so hours certainly won't impact any player's ability to practice. Objectively, the only problem is that you had to wait longer and bother with us so we submit the lineups. For this I'm sorry. However, giving penalties in the playoffs is a complete joke. Not to mention that pretty much all people affected by this punishment are the ones that are not at fault.

pretty much a waste of time to play tbh.

Lose 1 game(whichi s likely withthe teams in playoffs) and you automatically lose, thats ridiculous.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 18 2014 22:41 GMT
#1964
On January 19 2014 07:16 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 06:15 ggrrg wrote:
On January 19 2014 06:12 L_Master wrote:
On January 19 2014 06:03 SynC[gm] wrote:
On January 19 2014 05:36 L_Master wrote:
Khan v mSj
Arb <Destination> mSj[R2D2]
Gorg <Fighting Spirit> mSj[naxel]
Kopp <Circuit Breaker> mSj[Anxarat]
Xkcd <MatchPoint> mSj[Mr.LiR]
Napoleon <SniperRidge> mSj[Holy]

Oz v Courage
[Sam]Gohan <Destination> aeghrur
Comsat <Fighting Spirit> tonight
Smokeybear <Circuit Breaker> prophecy_
TheMarine <MatchPoint> Sentenal
Arca(Crema) <SniperRidge> RedAxis

Unfortunate as it is for playoffs, both Khan and Oz had late lineups and will be receiving a 2 set penalty

So just as confirmation, hypothetically, even if Oz wins the series 3-2 against Courage, Courage will still be advancing into the finals? And if Oz wins 4-1, Oz will move onto the finals?


Yes, that's how it would operate.


I strongly urge you to reconsider this desicion.
No team has any disadvantage from the lineups being posted a bit late and the two or so hours certainly won't impact any player's ability to practice. Objectively, the only problem is that you had to wait longer and bother with us so we submit the lineups. For this I'm sorry. However, giving penalties in the playoffs is a complete joke. Not to mention that pretty much all people affected by this punishment are the ones that are not at fault.

pretty much a waste of time to play tbh.

Lose 1 game(whichi s likely withthe teams in playoffs) and you automatically lose, thats ridiculous.


We just might now even show up, honestly. No point with this kind of penalty
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
January 18 2014 22:51 GMT
#1965
On January 19 2014 07:16 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 06:15 ggrrg wrote:
On January 19 2014 06:12 L_Master wrote:
On January 19 2014 06:03 SynC[gm] wrote:
On January 19 2014 05:36 L_Master wrote:
Khan v mSj
Arb <Destination> mSj[R2D2]
Gorg <Fighting Spirit> mSj[naxel]
Kopp <Circuit Breaker> mSj[Anxarat]
Xkcd <MatchPoint> mSj[Mr.LiR]
Napoleon <SniperRidge> mSj[Holy]

Oz v Courage
[Sam]Gohan <Destination> aeghrur
Comsat <Fighting Spirit> tonight
Smokeybear <Circuit Breaker> prophecy_
TheMarine <MatchPoint> Sentenal
Arca(Crema) <SniperRidge> RedAxis

Unfortunate as it is for playoffs, both Khan and Oz had late lineups and will be receiving a 2 set penalty

So just as confirmation, hypothetically, even if Oz wins the series 3-2 against Courage, Courage will still be advancing into the finals? And if Oz wins 4-1, Oz will move onto the finals?


Yes, that's how it would operate.


I strongly urge you to reconsider this desicion.
No team has any disadvantage from the lineups being posted a bit late and the two or so hours certainly won't impact any player's ability to practice. Objectively, the only problem is that you had to wait longer and bother with us so we submit the lineups. For this I'm sorry. However, giving penalties in the playoffs is a complete joke. Not to mention that pretty much all people affected by this punishment are the ones that are not at fault.

pretty much a waste of time to play tbh.

Lose 1 game(whichi s likely withthe teams in playoffs) and you automatically lose, thats ridiculous.

Actually, as I posted earlier, if you 4-1, it's still possibly to win, since the series score will be 4-1, and with the -2 penalty, it'll be 4-3.

Ex. SunKhan beats mSj 4-1 in a series, with SunKhan's mG.arb being the only loser. Either subtract 2 sets from SunKhan or add 2 sets for mSj, and regardless, SunKhan wins.

So you have to lose 2 games to lose :O

As for showing up, eh, you submitted lineups late, what can you do. Dug your own grave.
twitch.tv/dizzywee
George_the_man
Profile Joined May 2011
796 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-18 22:54:43
January 18 2014 22:52 GMT
#1966
That kind of penalty is fine, but not during playoffs.
Now there is just no point to practise for the playoffs because its just waste of time ..
possibility of winning match with -2 set handicap is too low

edit' u could at least make -1 set handicap so if the score is 3-2 it goes into ace match or something like that
-2 is too much
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
January 18 2014 22:56 GMT
#1967
So what other rules do you guys think shouldn't be enforced during the playoffs?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
George_the_man
Profile Joined May 2011
796 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-18 23:03:25
January 18 2014 23:01 GMT
#1968
It just should be fair played , dont look for easy win cause u smelled opportunity with 2 teams being late with lineups 2 hours.

Lmaster said both captains can refuse to accept the penalty, keep it fair and allow all team to have same chances .
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
January 18 2014 23:13 GMT
#1969
I personally don't care if the penalties aren't enforced because this is the playoffs, but I understand why they are there. Trying to make this league a zero tolerance no bullshit league and this is a step in the right direction. However, if the teams agree to not enforce it I think that should also be an option. I personally don't want to win or lose with any help. I don't know how the rest of the team feels.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
January 18 2014 23:35 GMT
#1970
On January 19 2014 07:56 Sentenal wrote:
So what other rules do you guys think shouldn't be enforced during the playoffs?

This ones the only one imo, its really ridiculous because odds are you're going to lose 1 game, and witha 2set penalty its an auto loss.

theres not even a point in showing up if thats the case, its fucking ridiculous. Doing it during pre-playoffs is fine, but during playoffs its a huge waste of a time
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
January 19 2014 02:50 GMT
#1971
Rules exist to facilitate legitimate competition, not hinder it. A penalty in the playoffs delegitimizes the playoffs and by extension everything that came before it...

Ya'll are people not Government bureaucrats.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
January 19 2014 03:09 GMT
#1972
Hmm, then for punishment, Courage should be allowed to re-arrange our lineups while Hwaiting Oz keeps their lineup the way it is for submitting lineups late!

Just kidding, of course, I don't care. Courage will win everything anyways. For SunKhan, you guys are getting to whiny too early. Haven't even heard an opinion from mSj, and judging by how their mindset is "we just want to play some fun games", they probably won't care and will ignore a -2 set penalty.
twitch.tv/dizzywee
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 07:25:51
January 19 2014 03:25 GMT
#1973
Ignore 2 set penalty cause we don't give shits
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
msj[r2d2]
Profile Joined January 2013
Russian Federation25 Posts
January 19 2014 05:07 GMT
#1974
On January 19 2014 07:51 SynC[gm] wrote:
Ex. SunKhan beats mSj 4-1 in a series

bad example ;x

Lir will post if we accept or decline that today. I don't give a sheep, penalty-shmanalty ;x Make bw, not forum posts --
We can punish these teams who were late with lineups by BM in game chat - so nobody would get any advantage but the punishment would be done xDD
--
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
January 19 2014 05:24 GMT
#1975
If Courage is allowed to rescind the penalty for OZ, we choose to do so.

Rules once made, though, are to be enforced, not ignored when inconvenient. In future events perhaps organizers will consider different penalties, but since this one is established I believe it is the one we should operate with.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
January 19 2014 07:28 GMT
#1976
On January 19 2014 14:07 msj[r2d2] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 07:51 SynC[gm] wrote:
Ex. SunKhan beats mSj 4-1 in a series

bad example ;x

Lir will post if we accept or decline that today. I don't give a sheep, penalty-shmanalty ;x Make bw, not forum posts --
We can punish these teams who were late with lineups by BM in game chat - so nobody would get any advantage but the punishment would be done xDD



I like this
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
t0ssboy
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria681 Posts
January 19 2014 07:29 GMT
#1977
On January 19 2014 14:24 EchOne wrote:
If Courage is allowed to rescind the penalty for OZ, we choose to do so.

Rules once made, though, are to be enforced, not ignored when inconvenient. In future events perhaps organizers will consider different penalties, but since this one is established I believe it is the one we should operate with.


Finally a person with good manners.Thank you.
Courage is doing what you are afraid to do.There can be no courage if there is no fear.
LiRidain
Profile Joined January 2013
Ukraine47 Posts
January 19 2014 07:34 GMT
#1978
meSiJa team rejects the penalties.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
January 19 2014 07:40 GMT
#1979
So that should be that?

Rules were enforced, but the teams decided to move on without them.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 08:11:18
January 19 2014 08:10 GMT
#1980
On January 19 2014 16:29 t0ssboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 14:24 EchOne wrote:
If Courage is allowed to rescind the penalty for OZ, we choose to do so.

Rules once made, though, are to be enforced, not ignored when inconvenient. In future events perhaps organizers will consider different penalties, but since this one is established I believe it is the one we should operate with.


Finally a person with good manners.Thank you.

Although in the end, it's not a huge deal, but how is being late with things mannered in itself? Hypocritical, eh?

Edit: But happy birthday.
twitch.tv/dizzywee
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