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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6581
gg again, but man do I wish Flash had made some vultures.
Awesome series, awesome finals one hell of a ride.
Congratulation to SKT
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6582
On April 08 2012 23:40 LittLeLives wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 23:37 Shikyo wrote:
Okay, time to be serious now I guess.

Flash played awfully that last game. In the early game he had numerous chances to take a significant advantage, then just throws it by letting himself get flanked by Zealots. He might have been able to accumulate a large enough advantage at that point that he could just win with a timing push.

Afterwards he makes only tanks and no vultures. I was thinking he would lose it the moment he overcommitted to the place behind bisus base, but Bisu tried to break it instead of counterattacking. However, flash kept doing that, with NO vultures and NO proper defenses at home, and so Bisu was going to win the second he decided to counterattack. Flash couldn't even go for a base race himself after seeing Bisu countering him because he was at a terrible position behind Bisu's base where he couldn't access the actually important parts of Bisus base fast enough to deal any kind of significant damage.

Especially the part where he snipes core and then makes a total of 0 vultures against the only unit Bisu could possibly make was just unbelievable.

Flash definitely wasn't in form again. I believe that sending out Hoejja would have given KT better chances of victory.

This is good.
I like you.

yeah this pretty much. bisu deserved that win.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6583
congrats SKT, hope SPL to continue and new heroes appear. Today's games were epic, I love Broodwar, I love this game!
Toyman69
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada100 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6584
On April 08 2012 23:40 IntoTheheart wrote:
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On April 08 2012 23:39 Toyman69 wrote:
Just wondering, why were kt vs khan b03 days and finals werent?

Probably more epic this way, at least I'd say so.

hehe i have to agree with that, i just wanted moar bw xD
Lee Jaedong fighting!
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2974 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6585
On April 08 2012 23:39 IntoTheheart wrote:
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On April 08 2012 23:39 kaleidoscope wrote:
MVP KTY!

Nah, the MVPs today are KTZerg for never giving up hope when all of it seemed lost.


Have to agree. Without them, KT wouldn't even have got to an ace match, let alone Bisu getting his second win in 1 day.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6586
Congrats SKT.
I guess it's now time to sleep.
Thanks to everybody for a great finals experience today .
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6587
On April 08 2012 23:41 figq wrote:
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On April 08 2012 23:39 sapht wrote:
Why did Flash not predict a speedlot desperation move after killing the core? Was he fazed by set 2? Did he smell too much bisu-blood? Is he... human?


He died for our sins... on Easter.


rofl I didn't even realize that.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6588
On April 08 2012 23:36 revy wrote:
Disappointed at all the KT fans blaming it on map, map had nothing to do with that game. There were a few misplays by Flash.

While it's true that Flash lost the game because of bad decisions, I don't think Flash would have made desperation moves like pushing out prematurely or with biomech if it was on a map with an easier to take third base. Even given the early game cheese, he could have just camped at home on 3 bases until he had a large enough army. But on this map, the onus was on Flash to do damage to Bisu or just get rolled eventually.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6589
If flash just walled off his natural (he was in the process of doing it but too late) he would've been fine.

Not saying he would have won, but he would've held off the zeal counter easily.

He was a few seconds late on walling off his nat and it cost him. That's BW.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
LittLeLives
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States692 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6590
On April 08 2012 23:41 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 23:39 sapht wrote:
Why did Flash not predict a speedlot desperation move after killing the core? Was he fazed by set 2? Did he smell too much bisu-blood? Is he... human?


He died for our sins... on Easter.

I cry every time.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6591
I'm sad that I only got into BW so late, but really happy to have watched these finals. So worth it, so incredible. And there really is no community like the BW community. So much passion. <3
Long live the King of Wings
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6592
yaaay awesome ^^
So happy I was able to watch,thank you SKT and KT for the games,thank you Hyde for the LR and thanks to everyone who watched alongside.BW!!
Cackle™
HighTemper
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada3867 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6593
Props to KT Zergs for bringing this to Ace.

Gratz SKT!! WP!

Thank you OP, streamers, casters, fans, LRers, and OGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great great night of BW!! <3
"Issue the orders Sir [JangBi], and I will storm Hell." - Anthony Wayne
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6594
On April 08 2012 23:42 Fishgle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 23:41 figq wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:39 sapht wrote:
Why did Flash not predict a speedlot desperation move after killing the core? Was he fazed by set 2? Did he smell too much bisu-blood? Is he... human?


He died for our sins... on Easter.


rofl I didn't even realize that.

OMG that's amazing.
kiss kiss fall in love
Soulforged
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Latvia979 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6595
Flash got lucky in the first place, when the probe decided to miss his army's movements. It'd be much harder to take that position while fighting retreating goon/reaver, in the first place. I'd go as far as to say he wouldn't be able to take it, have to retreat in best case(losing whole force in worst case), and face a 7gate 3base protoss off 2CC / 3 facts.

He took his shot and it almost worked; but chances are, he didn't need as much reinforcements at that position. He brought too much on the second wave and let his base be defenseless, when the only real option left for bisu was to counter.

...I don't think map imbalance had anything to do with this game. It didn't really last long enough. Maybe taking a fast 3rd / catching up instead of that push would be a better option on another map, but he was behind at that point anyway.
Bisu often got lucky with zealots popping out of that gate at best possible time, though.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
April 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#6596
Stream is still on i'm waiting for a montage guys.
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 01:05:07
April 08 2012 14:43 GMT
#6597
Congrats SKT, well deserved. That was an epic series.

What an amazing and memorable finals, took it to 7 games, just couldn't have asked fore more (other than KT winning of course)
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
April 08 2012 14:43 GMT
#6598
On April 08 2012 23:37 Shikyo wrote:
Okay, time to be serious now I guess.

Flash played awfully that last game. In the early game he had numerous chances to take a significant advantage, then just throws it by letting himself get flanked by Zealots. He might have been able to accumulate a large enough advantage at that point that he could just win with a timing push.

Afterwards he makes only tanks and no vultures. I was thinking he would lose it the moment he overcommitted to the place behind bisus base, but Bisu tried to break it instead of counterattacking. However, flash kept doing that, with NO vultures and NO proper defenses at home, and so Bisu was going to win the second he decided to counterattack. Flash couldn't even go for a base race himself after seeing Bisu countering him because he was at a terrible position behind Bisu's base where he couldn't access the actually important parts of Bisus base fast enough to deal any kind of significant damage.

Especially the part where he snipes core and then makes a total of 0 vultures against the only unit Bisu could possibly make was just unbelievable.

Flash definitely wasn't in form again. I believe that sending out Hoejja would have given KT better chances of victory.

Yeah, like let's be honest here, it didn't look like him. I was sitting in my room WIGGIN out when he kills the core, and they show his nat, and he keeps making tanks. And he keeps making tanks. I'm going "ok he's going to pop a bunch of vults any time soon..... .why is he not making vults. what the fck how does he have no vults yet"

Even so, this was the sickest finals I think I've ever seen. That's for sure.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
chambertin
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1704 Posts
April 08 2012 14:43 GMT
#6599
SO I gather vultures are pretty good against zealots???

Do they do bonus damage or something? and are they faster than zeals with legs?

...???
"I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates?
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
April 08 2012 14:43 GMT
#6600
On April 08 2012 23:39 beachbeachy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 23:37 Shikyo wrote:
Okay, time to be serious now I guess.

Flash played awfully that last game. In the early game he had numerous chances to take a significant advantage, then just throws it by letting himself get flanked by Zealots. He might have been able to accumulate a large enough advantage at that point that he could just win with a timing push.

Afterwards he makes only tanks and no vultures. I was thinking he would lose it the moment he overcommitted to the place behind bisus base, but Bisu tried to break it instead of counterattacking. However, flash kept doing that, with NO vultures and NO proper defenses at home, and so Bisu was going to win the second he decided to counterattack. Flash couldn't even go for a base race himself after seeing Bisu countering him because he was at a terrible position behind Bisu's base where he couldn't access the actually important parts of Bisus base fast enough to deal any kind of significant damage.

Especially the part where he snipes core and then makes a total of 0 vultures against the only unit Bisu could possibly make was just unbelievable.

Flash definitely wasn't in form again. I believe that sending out Hoejja would have given KT better chances of victory.


this is such a warped perception it's unreal.

he did take a significant advantage in the early game which is WHY he was able to push out with pure tanks and actually get behind bisu's main. do you think that ever happens when the game is even or protoss is ahead?



He didn't take that large of an advantage in the early game. Flash should have been able to seal the game after the first few micro battles in his main. Every time Flash made great progress against the zealot rush he pushed out into the open and lost far too many marines.

I'm not such a fan of Flash's push location either, that spot behind the base let him siege down 2 tech buildings and that's it. It was a nice defensible position, sure, but he couldn't push anywhere from there. Let alone the fact that you can't reinforce that location, the supply lines are just too long!
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