On March 20 2012 19:45 Lightwip wrote: Well, looks like KT wins this. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, you cheesed hard and successfully took advantage of the sheer volume of mediocrity of CJ today, and that brought you victory. Cheese on in your next set!
teehee Lightwip makes me smile. hehe
he knows all too well KT is the bigger threat to SKT
Yeah, CJ is too honorable to cheese all day every day. KT is willing to sink to any depth for victory, so they were easily able to dispatch CJ.
I'm just curious, in which games did KT cheese? I'll give you Flash but who else?
Don't feed the troll please.
I just want to understand how his mind works. I'm very curious.
I think the same thing for you KT fans. I mean, do you actually enjoy cheesy and boring? If not, how can you be a KT fan? Some form of BW masochist group?
I know you are upset KT won, and I know it will upset you even more when we beat SKT (again) in the finals. But I still don't understand how you think we cheesed, enlighten me
On March 20 2012 19:45 Lightwip wrote: Well, looks like KT wins this. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, you cheesed hard and successfully took advantage of the sheer volume of mediocrity of CJ today, and that brought you victory. Cheese on in your next set!
teehee Lightwip makes me smile. hehe
he knows all too well KT is the bigger threat to SKT
Yeah, CJ is too honorable to cheese all day every day. KT is willing to sink to any depth for victory, so they were easily able to dispatch CJ.
I'm just curious, in which games did KT cheese? I'll give you Flash but who else?
Don't feed the troll please.
I just want to understand how his mind works. I'm very curious.
I think the same thing for you KT fans. I mean, do you actually enjoy cheesy and boring? If not, how can you be a KT fan? Some form of BW masochist group?
I think KT fans enjoy the winning, it really helps when the team you cheer for actually wins games
On March 20 2012 19:41 Elem wrote: So, hi. I play SC2 primarily but as I saw a ton of tweets and no sc2 streamers I decided to check out the BW stream (again) and it's kinda interesting tbh.
It seems like mutas matter a lot in BW ZvZ? Is there no way to transition out of it when your opponent takes over, or? Do you need to rely on scourges just splatting his muta ball?
Im not an expert by any means, but primarily mutas rule zvz because of dmg system, they rape hydras and hydras do very little dmg. So in fact a hydra based zvz in professional zvz is once in a 10 year occurance.
Sometimes people transition out of it and go into "hive tech" zvz with hydra/ling/lurker defiler etc, but im not sure what are the reasons to favor switch because sometimes people just go for more mutas into hive tech (like jaedong vs yellow for example).
muta mobility is also important.
in sc2, muta are hampered by the fact that a) hydras on creep are FAST and b) hydra ground-to-air DPS is very high. in sc1, hydras are slow and their damage to small units is paltry. thus, mutas can dance around and harass very effectively in sc1, while hydras are... not that strong.
Not to mention at the progamer level, muta can be microed in an abusive manner against hydras or really anything else. That's why you only see hydras in later-game ZvZs when the other guy can't spend all their energy microing against you.
Well, you can't stack muta. That's the most important part. Since muta are faster than hydra, a good player would pick hydras one by one with 11 units vs one at the time.
On March 20 2012 19:43 rebdomine wrote: fff I just got home.
Looks like I missed all the fun.
How was the quality of the the games today?
fecal matter
hoejja vs leta was good,
No, no it wasn't
flash vs horang was interesting..
Quite interesting actually. If you watch anything from this match, this should be it.
yea well that just like, your opinion man..
Funny, I thought about this quote earlier today. Such a classic.
Hoejja vs Leta was very good, at least from Hoejja's part.
I like how the same people will claim that Stat vs Leta was awesome while it was decided by one enormous noobish fuck up from Stat, and that Hoejja vs Leta was bad although it was a long relentless game, where, that's true, Leta seemed shacky compared to what he sometimes deliver.
Leta didn't play well, because Hoejja did the opposite of what he thought at every single stage of the game. Stat didn't play well because he decided to run a goon into a minefield next to 18 transitioning probes. Which I don't see happening often at C level, iCCup.
On March 20 2012 19:54 J1.au wrote: I still don't understand why KHAN is so overhyped. They will fall just like the others.
WTF? As a long time Khan fan, I've honestly never seen Khan get hyped at all since the days of 2v2s. Fans of teams not name SKT1 or KT are allowed to feel good about their teams, you know. Even if there are a lot less of us around.
On March 20 2012 19:45 Lightwip wrote: Well, looks like KT wins this. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, you cheesed hard and successfully took advantage of the sheer volume of mediocrity of CJ today, and that brought you victory. Cheese on in your next set!
teehee Lightwip makes me smile. hehe
he knows all too well KT is the bigger threat to SKT
Yeah, CJ is too honorable to cheese all day every day. KT is willing to sink to any depth for victory, so they were easily able to dispatch CJ.
I'm just curious, in which games did KT cheese? I'll give you Flash but who else?
Don't feed the troll please.
I just want to understand how his mind works. I'm very curious.
I think the same thing for you KT fans. I mean, do you actually enjoy cheesy and boring? If not, how can you be a KT fan? Some form of BW masochist group?
I know you are upset KT won, and I know it will upset you even more when we beat SKT (again) in the finals. But I still don't understand how you think we cheesed, enlighten me
For you, it appears that ignorance is bliss. It wouldn't be proper of me to shatter your little KT fantasy world. It's just not how I roll. I respect the right of people to live in a world far removed from reality.
On March 20 2012 19:41 Elem wrote: So, hi. I play SC2 primarily but as I saw a ton of tweets and no sc2 streamers I decided to check out the BW stream (again) and it's kinda interesting tbh.
It seems like mutas matter a lot in BW ZvZ? Is there no way to transition out of it when your opponent takes over, or? Do you need to rely on scourges just splatting his muta ball?
Im not an expert by any means, but primarily mutas rule zvz because of dmg system, they rape hydras and hydras do very little dmg. So in fact a hydra based zvz in professional zvz is once in a 10 year occurance.
Sometimes people transition out of it and go into "hive tech" zvz with hydra/ling/lurker defiler etc, but im not sure what are the reasons to favor switch because sometimes people just go for more mutas into hive tech (like jaedong vs yellow for example).
muta mobility is also important.
in sc2, muta are hampered by the fact that a) hydras on creep are FAST and b) hydra ground-to-air DPS is very high. in sc1, hydras are slow and their damage to small units is paltry. thus, mutas can dance around and harass very effectively in sc1, while hydras are... not that strong.
Not to mention at the progamer level, muta can be microed in an abusive manner against hydras or really anything else. That's why you only see hydras in later-game ZvZs when the other guy can't spend all their energy microing against you.
Technically hydras are super sub optimal in late game ZvZ (assuming you mean hive), they don't have the micro capacity of marines vs mutas. Their only function is to serve as general fodder and turn into lurkers. The ideal combination in late game ZvZ is ultra defiler lurker, since lurkers under swarm are immune to most damage except melee (and spells obv, talking about ZvZ) and insta gib lings so you need ultras to kill them, and you can almost infinitely defend your base using lurker defiler from any air or ground aggression. Mass zerg air on super open maps also happens, hydras just aren't mobil enough.
On March 20 2012 19:54 J1.au wrote: I still don't understand why KHAN is so overhyped. They will fall just like the others.
Yeah, pretty so. But I will cheer for them) In fact it is not the players, who decide, it is a team. KT is a fucking good team. What was Hoejja, Action, CH performance in OSL and MSL, remember? I don't, so its definitely a teamplay, that is crucial. KT coach rocks
On March 20 2012 19:54 J1.au wrote: I still don't understand why KHAN is so overhyped. They will fall just like the others.
WTF? As a long time Khan fan, I've honestly never seen Khan get hyped at all since the days of 2v2s. Fans of teams not name SKT1 or KT are allowed to feel good about their teams, you know. Even if there are a lot less of us around.
so true..
haha i remember when people were hating on oneother for being the only khan fan a few years ago XD
On March 20 2012 19:54 J1.au wrote: I still don't understand why KHAN is so overhyped. They will fall just like the others.
WTF? As a long time Khan fan, I've honestly never seen Khan get hyped at all since the days of 2v2s. Fans of teams not name SKT1 or KT are allowed to feel good about their teams, you know. Even if there are a lot less of us around.
This is actually the first time in a while that I remember where one of Stork's crazy winning streaks coincide with Khan being in the playoffs, instead of some random-ass time like Ro16 of the OSL.
On March 20 2012 19:45 Lightwip wrote: Well, looks like KT wins this. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, you cheesed hard and successfully took advantage of the sheer volume of mediocrity of CJ today, and that brought you victory. Cheese on in your next set!
teehee Lightwip makes me smile. hehe
he knows all too well KT is the bigger threat to SKT
Yeah, CJ is too honorable to cheese all day every day. KT is willing to sink to any depth for victory, so they were easily able to dispatch CJ.
I'm just curious, in which games did KT cheese? I'll give you Flash but who else?
Don't feed the troll please.
I just want to understand how his mind works. I'm very curious.
I think the same thing for you KT fans. I mean, do you actually enjoy cheesy and boring? If not, how can you be a KT fan? Some form of BW masochist group?
I know you are upset KT won, and I know it will upset you even more when we beat SKT (again) in the finals. But I still don't understand how you think we cheesed, enlighten me
For you, it appears that ignorance is bliss. It wouldn't be proper of me to shatter your little KT fantasy world. It's just not how I roll. I respect the right of people to live in a world far removed from reality.
"I respect the right of people to live in a world far removed from reality" I need to write it down, damn
On March 20 2012 19:45 Lightwip wrote: Well, looks like KT wins this. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, you cheesed hard and successfully took advantage of the sheer volume of mediocrity of CJ today, and that brought you victory. Cheese on in your next set!
teehee Lightwip makes me smile. hehe
he knows all too well KT is the bigger threat to SKT
Yeah, CJ is too honorable to cheese all day every day. KT is willing to sink to any depth for victory, so they were easily able to dispatch CJ.
I'm just curious, in which games did KT cheese? I'll give you Flash but who else?
Don't feed the troll please.
I just want to understand how his mind works. I'm very curious.
I think the same thing for you KT fans. I mean, do you actually enjoy cheesy and boring? If not, how can you be a KT fan? Some form of BW masochist group?
I know you are upset KT won, and I know it will upset you even more when we beat SKT (again) in the finals. But I still don't understand how you think we cheesed, enlighten me
Hoplight, you dont understand lightwhip, you just ignore him and take some small stabs at him or else he's gonna piss you off because his arguments are irrational, baseless and in the best case subjective when it comes to talking about KT.
On March 20 2012 19:54 J1.au wrote: I still don't understand why KHAN is so overhyped. They will fall just like the others.
WTF? As a long time Khan fan, I've honestly never seen Khan get hyped at all since the days of 2v2s. Fans of teams not name SKT1 or KT are allowed to feel good about their teams, you know. Even if there are a lot less of us around.
so true..
haha i remember when people were hating on oneother for being the only khan fan a few years ago XD
Look don't bring me in to the mess J1.Au created here that is his opinion even though he wear the kt tag that doesn't mean every kt fan thinks samsung khan is overrated . Having players like Brave who cheese his opponent at every turn is pretty good in my opinion . Besides that every Khan player is really skill especially stork .
On March 20 2012 19:45 Lightwip wrote: Well, looks like KT wins this. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, you cheesed hard and successfully took advantage of the sheer volume of mediocrity of CJ today, and that brought you victory. Cheese on in your next set!
teehee Lightwip makes me smile. hehe
he knows all too well KT is the bigger threat to SKT
Yeah, CJ is too honorable to cheese all day every day. KT is willing to sink to any depth for victory, so they were easily able to dispatch CJ.
I'm just curious, in which games did KT cheese? I'll give you Flash but who else?
Don't feed the troll please.
I just want to understand how his mind works. I'm very curious.
I think the same thing for you KT fans. I mean, do you actually enjoy cheesy and boring? If not, how can you be a KT fan? Some form of BW masochist group?
I know you are upset KT won, and I know it will upset you even more when we beat SKT (again) in the finals. But I still don't understand how you think we cheesed, enlighten me
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