On March 14 2012 19:19 Hyde wrote: Thanks for making the thread Sawa. Got a banner if you want to use it. + Show Spoiler [Banner] +
I can't believe this is the final game for the regular season, time flies. May the better team win tonight.
Epic banner .... lol at my drawing looking almost like hydra ... I am just sad that I don't have any photoshop skill T_T . Thanks for the banner hyde and for letting me steal your format .
On March 14 2012 19:33 figq wrote: Lovin' the Zero in the banner, haha. Today in the audience there should be a 3rd shoutout "Woongjin Fighting!" after the other two.
They are not fighting, they lost already. "Woongjin Praying" maybe?
On March 14 2012 19:19 Hyde wrote: Thanks for making the thread Sawa. Got a banner if you want to use it. + Show Spoiler [Banner] +
I can't believe this is the final game for the regular season, time flies. May the better team win tonight.
Epic banner .... lol at my drawing looking almost like hydra ... I am just sad that I don't have any photoshop skill T_T . Thanks for the banner hyde and for letting me steal your format .
Will you live report today hyde ?
Just download PS and mess around when you have free time. You'll get better over time, and you gotta start somewhere. If you need LR, I'll LR.
On March 14 2012 19:36 bgx wrote: So what are the stakes here ? Stars will get into playoffs if Ace wins ?
On March 14 2012 19:19 Hyde wrote: Thanks for making the thread Sawa. Got a banner if you want to use it. + Show Spoiler [Banner] +
I can't believe this is the final game for the regular season, time flies. May the better team win tonight.
Epic banner .... lol at my drawing looking almost like hydra ... I am just sad that I don't have any photoshop skill T_T . Thanks for the banner hyde and for letting me steal your format .
Will you live report today hyde ?
Just download PS and mess around when you have free time. You'll get better over time, and you gotta start somewhere. If you need LR, I'll LR.
On March 14 2012 19:33 figq wrote: Lovin' the Zero in the banner, haha. Today in the audience there should be a 3rd shoutout "Woongjin Fighting!" after the other two.
They are not fighting, they lost already. "Woongjin Praying" maybe?
If your team wins, Woongjin will be fighting in the playoffs, so you can see it either way. Plus, I just expect there to be Stars fans in the audience. After all, if ACE wins, all Woongjin fans should celebrate!
I wonder if Leta's going to 2port wraith instead of doing the more "traditional" bio->mech. Sea's game yesterday was kinda distressing to see, so I'm not sure.
Oh I missedit, looks like he went hatchery first, pool coming soon after. Leta scouting out ggaemo's base. Starts a CC at the main, has a marine blocking his ramp
ggaemo starts a 3rd hatchery inside his main, takes gas afterwards. SCV sees it all
hydra den started at the natural, Lair almost finished. Overlord moves over the ledge to save itself from being killed by marines
3rd rax up, a handful of marines moving out. Zergling spots the marines
ggaemo putting down a second sunken now. Academy has finished stim!
6 marines stim up and move into the natural, take down 1 sunken and head back to base. Ggaemo has a group of lings at the natural ready to defend, but leta's taking his troops home
another colony is placed at the natural. Lings moving out, they're waiting outside Leta's natural
Factory started. Marines moving out towards the center. ggaemo trying to attack! He runs into the natural and finds a bunch of marines protecting the ramp, ggaemo retreats after losing a few lings.
Lurkers making at the natural, one finishes just as leta arrives. ggaemo taking his 3rd at 1 o'clock, he's got a lurker protecting that ramp
Lurkers move out, a few marines get sliced but Leta is reinforcing fast.
defiler mound at the 3rd. Nydus canal to connect the 3rd and the natural
Leta adding three tanks to his unit mix. First vessel is out and meets with the marine group
Leta heading out towards the 3rd now. Lings and lurkers retreat. Vessel leads the way and marines chase after the lurkers. One lurker irradiated. Another is killed by marine fire.
tanks siege up as they reach the ramp, marines charge up, a few lurkers die to tank fire. Many marines getting shredded by lrukers, but the majority of the marines run around the lurkers!
Nydus down, swarm goes up and the lurkers try to take out the marines at the 3rd. More marines headed up the ramp. Another swarm is thrown and ggaemo covers a large area to prevent marine movement.
Good defense from ggaemo, his swarms and lurkers are killing a lot of marines. Leta still trying to move around the swarm and lurkers. A lot of marines are being rallied
scourge take out a vessel, still one more. ggaemo repositioning his lurkers to take out the remaining terran force inside the 3rd. Only the vessel is left.
Leta floating all his barracks, takes a 3rd at 6.5 and starts mass facts
vultures run around the map, laying mines outside ggaemo's natural.
Vessel flies by scourge, only one of them notice, vessel gets away after taking damage
Leta on 6 factories. He has a number of marines outside ggaemo's 3rd, but they're dying to lurkers
vultures and goliaths move in to defend! Mines take out the lurkers, armory burns down before it can be repaired
ggaemo getting his fourth at 2 o'clock. More hatcheries being added, an ultralisk cavern in the making too
2 overlords moving out towards the center, another drop maybe? Overlords heading towards 9 o'clock, marines spot them, the CC is floating in the air, there's no mining activity there.
Leta moves his metal force out, they're headed towards the 2 o'clock base. Tanks siege up and vultures move in, swarm thrown up and the vultures move to hit the mineral line, ggaemo saves his drones by picking them up in the overlrods
Another small mech force hitting ggaemo's natural. all his lings die trying to save the natural
Leta diverting his forces over towards ggaemo's natural now. He's getting hit hard as more metal pours in. Swarm and lings barely holding off the advance. Metal at 1-1
buys enough time to get some slow ultralisks out. Leta mining from 9 o'clock now.
slow ultralisks charges forward, another swarm is cast over the tanks, overlord drops the ultralisks over the tanks!
2 vessels fall to scourge, tanks siege up and destroy a few ultras. Leta trying to hit the NE bases again. Swarm is thrown and Leta backs off
ultralisks hitting leta's 9 o'clock, vultures arrive and lay mines. Leta losing more vessels to scourge. Leta's also losing all his scvs at 9 to an ultralisks, finally tanks arrive to take it out.
Ggaemo's main is bare, he's moving his drones to fresh minerals.
Leta making his 5th cc at his 4th.
vultures raiding 1 o'clock, ggaemo quickly responding with lings and ultralisks.
ggaemo taking a 5th at 3 o'clock, think he's also re-taking 12.5 as well
ultras getting smashed by mines in the field. Meanwhile Leta is building his tank numbers, and continuing his vulture harass. several dead drones at 1 o'clock before the lings take out the vultures.
More ultralisks dying from mines. Another vulture raid at 3 o'clock
Leta continues to harass with his vultures. ggaemo is taking a lot of mine damage chasing these vultuers. Another raid at the empty 3 o'clock. Ggaemo's bases are looking very vulnerable. ultralisk blocking the entrance to 12.5, vultures can't get in
the amount of damage leta is doing with his vultures is absurd.
And with that vulture raid, it's over. ggaemo shakes his head and he knows it too. Damnit ggaemo, sunkens are worth the investment if you're not gonna protect your shit better.
ultralisks and lings attacking leta's 5th again, the small tank force is wiped out, cc lifts but is taken out by scourge!
leta quickly moving his tank force back, they destroy the ultralisks and lings. ggaemo trying to muster up a force to fight off all his metal. Leta's unsieged tanks taking out lings and ultralisks, d-matrix over a few tanks, ggaemo's forces are wiped out
huge plague over the tanks but there's no zerg units to attack the tanks! 3 o'clock getting shelled again. scourge wave takes out all the vessels. ggaemo loses 3 o'clock, and his 2 o'clock base is getting destroyed by vultures. ggaemo's got nothing at this point
ggaemo has the best facial expressions. But he really disappointed me that game. I thought he had the advantage in the mid game, but he never seemed to capitalize on it.
I think its worth the investment to transition to hydra/ultra/ling with fewer ultras. Mines just hurt too much without hydras. Not to mention stopping vulture harass.
I don't really understand why the hell was ggaemo playing this stupid composition ultraling, this is completely stupid against mech: siege tanks eat ultras as lings. He should switch to hydra muta composition (+ maybe queens) and would maybe win the game.
Also, he should learn to build sunkens if he is harrased over and over ...
On March 14 2012 20:41 Dakkas wrote: Leta falling over is a gajillion better times than that stupid vapid useless girl eating on stream and making money
On March 14 2012 20:34 RJGooner wrote: I wonder why pro Zergs don't get burrow more often. It seems like it would be a good way of saving drones from vulture harassment
At this point T will have atleast 3 scanners. Sunkens!
guys queens is like a one hit thing against a very heavy tank/vult comp... not a solid strat and would not have been useful here. he definitely needed some hydras and usage of single lurker/swarm chokes somewhere in there.
I suggest the gas be used for some guardian investment, for defending high ground. heavy sunk and guard with scourge and maybe a spore to annoy vessels and you got a really annoying defence against anything on a base like 3 o' clock. It is a high investment in non-aggression but if the investment in aggressive is 90% waste then why not attempt this? the guard is the only unit that can counter the tank range (along with broodling) yet isn't used at all.
Even as an aggressive build a surprise guardian combo with a typical ling/hydra main composition could cripple a tank count if done at the right time/place/map.
Woongjin is 11-10 with -4 maps CJ is 10-10 with +2, so any kind of win will get them on 4th spot
ok got it
I would love to see them through
but not like that.. I mean 4pool ?
cmoon maan... -.-
cmoon what, winning strategy is winning strategy, why you hate on effort if it was probably prearranged same as JD 5pool or any 20 other fast pool slash cheeses in proleague.
On March 14 2012 20:54 Doraemon wrote: pretty lame =[
indeed..
was expecting more from such a player..
Winning games, how does he dare to do such things in front of audience.
we have a smartass here
was expecting a better game. Didnt see lot of TvZ on this map..
was expecting more from such a player
was expecting a better game
Make it clear in your first post then instead of calling me smartass when all they (CJ) really care about today is to win in order to make it to the playoffs, not to please you.
Woongjin is 11-10 with -4 maps CJ is 10-10 with +2, so any kind of win will get them on 4th spot
ok got it
I would love to see them through
but not like that.. I mean 4pool ?
cmoon maan... -.-
cmoon what, winning strategy is winning strategy, why you hate on effort if it was probably prearranged same as JD 5pool or any 20 other fast pool slash cheeses in proleague.
I hate on him right now because I wanted to see some fun TvZ on this map got it ?
I can hate on anyone at any given time. And now I hate on effort for doing lameass 4pool
Make it clear in your first post then instead of calling me smartass when all they (CJ) really care about today is to win in order to make it to the playoffs, not to please you.
While is sucks for ACE, this is how I feel too. A win is a win, CJ are only trying to get into the PO. Anything goes in war
Woongjin is 11-10 with -4 maps CJ is 10-10 with +2, so any kind of win will get them on 4th spot
ok got it
I would love to see them through
but not like that.. I mean 4pool ?
cmoon maan... -.-
cmoon what, winning strategy is winning strategy, why you hate on effort if it was probably prearranged same as JD 5pool or any 20 other fast pool slash cheeses in proleague.
I hate on him right now because I wanted to see some fun TvZ on this map got it ?
I can hate on anyone at any given time. And now I hate on effort for doing lameass 4pool
clear ?
And i hate on you hating on someone because you can hate
On March 14 2012 20:54 Doraemon wrote: pretty lame =[
indeed..
was expecting more from such a player..
Winning games, how does he dare to do such things in front of audience.
we have a smartass here
was expecting a better game. Didnt see lot of TvZ on this map..
was expecting more from such a player
was expecting a better game
Make it clear in your first post then instead of calling me smartass when all they (CJ) really care about today is to win in order to make it to the playoffs, not to please you.
While is sucks for ACE, this is how I feel too. A win is a win, CJ are only trying to get into the PO. Anything goes in war
jesus fking christ..
you liked it, Im saying it was fking lame. I want CJ to go through and I know that they are doing it to win not to please me, but I didnt like this game and this strategy at all
its called forum and people have different opinions.
eot. Sorry if that smartass thing offended you.. nvm
Overlord headed the wrong way, both players sending out scouts. Drone checking out the middle to make sure nothing fishy is going on. Continues to scout cross map
Hatchery first, meanwhile Canata is getting his rax and depot wall up at the main.
On March 14 2012 20:54 Doraemon wrote: pretty lame =[
indeed..
was expecting more from such a player..
Winning games, how does he dare to do such things in front of audience.
we have a smartass here
was expecting a better game. Didnt see lot of TvZ on this map..
was expecting more from such a player
was expecting a better game
Make it clear in your first post then instead of calling me smartass when all they (CJ) really care about today is to win in order to make it to the playoffs, not to please you.
While is sucks for ACE, this is how I feel too. A win is a win, CJ are only trying to get into the PO. Anything goes in war
jesus fking christ..
you liked it, Im saying it was fking lame. I want CJ to go through and I know that they are doing it to win not to please me, but I didnt like this game and this strategy at all
its called forum and people have different opinions.
eot. Sorry if that smartass thing offended you.. nvm
On March 14 2012 20:54 Doraemon wrote: pretty lame =[
indeed..
was expecting more from such a player..
Winning games, how does he dare to do such things in front of audience.
we have a smartass here
was expecting a better game. Didnt see lot of TvZ on this map..
was expecting more from such a player
was expecting a better game
Make it clear in your first post then instead of calling me smartass when all they (CJ) really care about today is to win in order to make it to the playoffs, not to please you.
While is sucks for ACE, this is how I feel too. A win is a win, CJ are only trying to get into the PO. Anything goes in war
jesus fking christ..
you liked it, Im saying it was fking lame. I want CJ to go through and I know that they are doing it to win not to please me, but I didnt like this game and this strategy at all
its called forum and people have different opinions.
eot. Sorry if that smartass thing offended you.. nvm
np, let's just enjoy 3rd TvZ in a row ^_^
I would like to see some more games. not a 3-0 sweep
Hydra getting his 3rd at 5 o'clock. Evo chamber going up? Unfinished sunken lets an scv back into the main, scv does another quick round seeing everything. Hydra den going up now. No Lair yet
Canata getting up 3 barracks inside his main (4). 2nd CC also inside the main
Overlord sacrifices itself to take a peek into the terran base
scan goes off at hydra's nat to reveal 2 sunkens. Canata moving his CC over to his natural. Lair started now
Hydras have speed. Hydras and lings retreat from a small marine force. Canata pumping from 4 rax. Hydras running away from marines. 4 sunkens at Hydra's natural.
this is really quite bizzare from hydra. is he going for plague/hydra or something? looks like he's avoiding making lurkers and rushing to hive O.o da fuk?
Canata making 5 factories, he's also go a wraith out taking out overlords. vultures laying mines around the map. Dropship made
scourge looking for air units. They have a quick look around canata's base.
dropshiop arrives inside Hydra's main, drones burrow! Marines take out the pool before the ultralisks arrive, evo chamber under attack! evo goes down too
Another drop on the tank line, still doesn't stop the tanks and vultures. Canata moves his tanks in closer, this time attacking the hatch and drones.
ultralisks charge towards the tanks! vultures trying to take them out, still too many tanks and vultures. Meanwhile more overlords die to valks. Hydra really struggling here
Another good trick is not to do ANY anti air for the whole game when your opponent plays valk. It's good cuz you lose all your overlord and you can't build any army.
On March 14 2012 21:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: Another good trick is not to do ANY anti air for the whole game when your opponent plays valk. It's good cuz you lose all your overlord and you can't build any army.
I often use this strat when I play ZvT. Works really well for me.
On March 14 2012 21:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: Another good trick is not to do ANY anti air for the whole game when your opponent plays valk. It's good cuz you lose all your overlord and you can't build any army.
I often use this strat when I play ZvT. Works really well for me.
I popped in halfway through, but that looked entertaining as hell. Strategically, Hydra might have been lacking, but he didn't seem to be tactically clumsy. Looked entertaining enough, though without seeing the whole game my opinion doesn't carry much weight.
On March 14 2012 21:30 SkelA wrote: Hydra with a D+ zvt.
Dunno but as far I know ultra is TERRIBLE vs mech and we have 2 games in a row where zergs goes ultra ling vs terran dafuq?
As far as I could see the ultra drops were the one thing that was actually being half-effective at whittling down Canata's army. Of course that all ended after the valks came out
On March 14 2012 21:31 thopol wrote: I popped in halfway through, but that looked entertaining as hell. Strategically, Hydra might have been lacking, but he didn't seem to be tactically clumsy. Looked entertaining enough, though without seeing the whole game my opinion doesn't carry much weight.
Wth are you talking about? just watch the game dude. LOL
(Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): Air force power ....
watch it..
for the lulz..
My eyes still hurt. The worst part is that Canata's response doesn't seem to be strategically optimal, he just kept on playing standard, and it worked... Like seriously, it doesn't make any sense.
On March 14 2012 21:30 SkelA wrote: Hydra with a D+ zvt.
Dunno but as far I know ultra is TERRIBLE vs mech and we have 2 games in a row where zergs goes ultra ling vs terran dafuq?
As far as I could see the ultra drops were the one thing that was actually being half-effective at whittling down Canata's army. Of course that all ended after the valks came out
Half effective is not good enough playing against terran mech because per cost and damage output mech decimates ultraling
On March 14 2012 21:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: Another good trick is not to do ANY anti air for the whole game when your opponent plays valk. It's good cuz you lose all your overlord and you can't build any army.
I often use this strat when I play ZvT. Works really well for me.
Yeah overlords are overrated anyway
Really helps my macro out. Constantly having to reproduce overlords means it's a lot easier to keep my money low
On March 14 2012 21:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: Another good trick is not to do ANY anti air for the whole game when your opponent plays valk. It's good cuz you lose all your overlord and you can't build any army.
On March 14 2012 21:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: Another good trick is not to do ANY anti air for the whole game when your opponent plays valk. It's good cuz you lose all your overlord and you can't build any army.
I often use this strat when I play ZvT. Works really well for me.
Yeah overlords are overrated anyway
Really helps my macro out. Constantly having to reproduce overlords means it's a lot easier to keep my money low
Never again do you have 4k mins and no gas ! Sounds good, I might try it.
so CJ or at least hydra.. must be pretty confident to take the series no matter what. Or playing that strategy when everbody's sweating balls over 4th place -wouldn't make any sense.
On March 14 2012 21:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: Another good trick is not to do ANY anti air for the whole game when your opponent plays valk. It's good cuz you lose all your overlord and you can't build any army.
I often use this strat when I play ZvT. Works really well for me.
Yeah overlords are overrated anyway
Really helps my macro out. Constantly having to reproduce overlords means it's a lot easier to keep my money low
Yeah. That's why I don't build gas. Where the build is really clever is that you don't need gas to make sunken.
See his lack of turrets, money saved by having valks... all goes into vults, mines.. mines that can't be cleared without valks killing your overlords. It owns
On March 14 2012 21:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: Another good trick is not to do ANY anti air for the whole game when your opponent plays valk. It's good cuz you lose all your overlord and you can't build any army.
I often use this strat when I play ZvT. Works really well for me.
Yeah overlords are overrated anyway
Really helps my macro out. Constantly having to reproduce overlords means it's a lot easier to keep my money low
Yeah. That's why I don't build gas. Where the build is really clever is that you don't need gas to make sunken.
In ZvT. I realized that you only need less than 2k gas.
All you need are cracklings for zerg to win the match-up
On March 14 2012 21:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: Another good trick is not to do ANY anti air for the whole game when your opponent plays valk. It's good cuz you lose all your overlord and you can't build any army.
I often use this strat when I play ZvT. Works really well for me.
Yeah overlords are overrated anyway
Really helps my macro out. Constantly having to reproduce overlords means it's a lot easier to keep my money low
Yeah. That's why I don't build gas. Where the build is really clever is that you don't need gas to make sunken.
In ZvT. I realized that you only need less than 2k gas.
All you need are cracklings for zerg to win the match-up
Crackling suck. Pure overlord and sunken, that's the way to go. You need a lot of sunken. At least 8 at each base, and keep putting more. It's very good against tanks
On March 14 2012 21:31 thopol wrote: I popped in halfway through, but that looked entertaining as hell. Strategically, Hydra might have been lacking, but he didn't seem to be tactically clumsy. Looked entertaining enough, though without seeing the whole game my opinion doesn't carry much weight.
Wth are you talking about? just watch the game dude. LOL
Well with the not tactically clumsy thing I was mostly referring to the burrow plays, which seemed timely executed. In terms of entertainment value, it seemed like a game where the terran kept things lively while building up a game-winning push, which is certainly more viewer friendly than well-executed defense. Not only did he keep the pressure on, but he did it with both drops and vultures, which didn't feel too rote. I guess I have the opportunity to watch the replay now, but I'll certainly check out the vod.
EDIT: Yeah, it's pretty inscrutable. That generally adds to entertainment value though, in that it's a unique game. Like I said, I only saw the latter portion, but dismissing the game entirely as shitty play doesn't seem warranted. You should try to consider what he was thinking and also appreciate it for the spectacle.
To be fair to Hydra, he got totally meta-gamed. He scouted a rax-depot wall that was not making any marines and he didn't see a fast CC. With that information, he had to assume some sort of vulture/wraith/drop play. He thought he was going against mech right away. By the time he realized it was a 4rax timing attack, he would not even have a lair ready. He had no choice but to make 15+ sunks. Canata was already way ahead just from the fact Hydra had to make so many sunks.
On March 14 2012 21:37 pylonsalad wrote: To be fair to Hydra, he got totally meta-gamed. He scouted a rax-depot wall that was not making any marines and he didn't see a fast CC. With that information, he had to assume some sort of vulture/wraith/drop play. He thought he was going against mech right away. By the time he realized it was a 4rax timing attack, he would not even have a lair ready. He had no choice but to make 15+ sunks. Canata was already way ahead just from the fact Hydra had to make so many sunks.
On March 14 2012 21:37 pylonsalad wrote: To be fair to Hydra, he got totally meta-gamed. He scouted a rax-depot wall that was not making any marines and he didn't see a fast CC. With that information, he had to assume some sort of vulture/wraith/drop play. He thought he was going against mech right away. By the time he realized it was a 4rax timing attack, he would not even have a lair ready. He had no choice but to make 15+ sunks. Canata was already way ahead just from the fact Hydra had to make so many sunks.
You go pure sunken against wraith?
He made 1 sunken to prepare for a vulture run-by. He made 6 sunkens at each location after his overlord saw it was a 4 rax +1 sunken break. He added more to stall the tank push. He did nothing stupid. He was just caught going for anti-tech build when it was actually a strong early mm build.
On March 14 2012 21:37 pylonsalad wrote: To be fair to Hydra, he got totally meta-gamed. He scouted a rax-depot wall that was not making any marines and he didn't see a fast CC. With that information, he had to assume some sort of vulture/wraith/drop play. He thought he was going against mech right away. By the time he realized it was a 4rax timing attack, he would not even have a lair ready. He had no choice but to make 15+ sunks. Canata was already way ahead just from the fact Hydra had to make so many sunks.
You go pure sunken against wraith?
He made 1 sunken to prepare for a vulture run-by. He made 6 sunkens at each location his overlord saw it was a 4 rax +1 sunken break. He added more to stall the tank push.
Well, maybe if you prepare against mech or wraith, you go hydra and then you transition to lurker if he is rushing, no?
On March 14 2012 21:37 pylonsalad wrote: To be fair to Hydra, he got totally meta-gamed. He scouted a rax-depot wall that was not making any marines and he didn't see a fast CC. With that information, he had to assume some sort of vulture/wraith/drop play. He thought he was going against mech right away. By the time he realized it was a 4rax timing attack, he would not even have a lair ready. He had no choice but to make 15+ sunks. Canata was already way ahead just from the fact Hydra had to make so many sunks.
You go pure sunken against wraith?
He made 1 sunken to prepare for a vulture run-by. He made 6 sunkens at each location his overlord saw it was a 4 rax +1 sunken break. He added more to stall the tank push.
Well, maybe if you prepare against mech or wraith, you go hydra and then you transition to lurker if he is rushing, no?
On March 14 2012 21:35 Nikon wrote: An unexpected break of the TvZ trend: Horang2 vs Kal next!
Now, why would Ace want to do that?
IMO, FBH/Irisvs Horang2 or Snow.
Or
THE ROCK VS ALL!
Iris is so underused... -.-
Iris is so underliked too :-(
who in their right mind would underlike iris?????? the fuck?
There are so many people spamming FBH/TheRock and stuff everytime, Iris much less :-( Once a guy even tried to convince me FBH was a better player than Iris or something... I love FBH, but seriously...
I don't know why everybody doesn't do what Horang does with his base / base setting. I mean, they play so fast, you must earn a significant amount of time by having your base perfectly aligned and ordered?
On March 14 2012 21:46 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't know why everybody doesn't do what Horang does with his base / base setting. I mean, they play so fast, you must earn a significant amount of time by having your base perfectly aligned and ordered?
Pros always should. If I can do it almost all the time if I'm not thinking about something else (or getting mad cheesed), pros should be able to with leisure. Simcity-ing only takes a relatively small amount of time invested to initially plan, and only minute consideration to begin with.
However for terran depots can be haphazardly placed, as the valuable apm during mid-lategame shouldn't be wasted trying to re-build depots due to scvs blocking each other unless the main is really really small.
Congratulations to CJ. I would say better luck to Stars but they had it within their own hands to win and they failed T_T CJ jsut scraping through and Stars just missing out Better luck to ACE next season, I hope they make it into the POs in S2
Also Biff, looks like you won't need to write that second article
So sad... but to be honest, CJ began SPL with impressive dominance and it would have been almost unfair for them to eventually not even make playoffs. Woongjin Stars had a strong season again, particularly Soulkey and the rookies, but key figures from the last season underperformed, and it just very slightly wasn't enough. GL next time, Stars fighting!
On March 14 2012 21:58 figq wrote: So sad... but to be honest, CJ began SPL with impressive dominance and it would have been almost unfair for them to eventually not even make playoffs. Woongjin Stars had a strong season again, particularly Soulkey and the rookies, but key figures from the last season underperformed, and it just very slightly wasn't enough. GL next time, Stars fighting!
I wonder where the Stars would be if Light hadn't faced so many Protoss opponents
I love how CJ is always BARELY in playoffs last years and is ALWAYS the dark horse,but i HATE that they always choke at the end.CMON GUYS this is the year !
On March 14 2012 21:37 pylonsalad wrote: To be fair to Hydra, he got totally meta-gamed. He scouted a rax-depot wall that was not making any marines and he didn't see a fast CC. With that information, he had to assume some sort of vulture/wraith/drop play. He thought he was going against mech right away. By the time he realized it was a 4rax timing attack, he would not even have a lair ready. He had no choice but to make 15+ sunks. Canata was already way ahead just from the fact Hydra had to make so many sunks.
You go pure sunken against wraith?
He made 1 sunken to prepare for a vulture run-by. He made 6 sunkens at each location his overlord saw it was a 4 rax +1 sunken break. He added more to stall the tank push.
Well, maybe if you prepare against mech or wraith, you go hydra and then you transition to lurker if he is rushing, no?
He made about 6 hydras. Did you not see that? He stopped hydra production once he realized he was up against mm. He got hydra upgrades and delayed lair so lurkers would not come in time to stop the push. Thus the sunkens.
On March 14 2012 21:58 figq wrote: So sad... but to be honest, CJ began SPL with impressive dominance and it would have been almost unfair for them to eventually not even make playoffs. Woongjin Stars had a strong season again, particularly Soulkey and the rookies, but key figures from the last season underperformed, and it just very slightly wasn't enough. GL next time, Stars fighting!
I wonder where the Stars would be if Light hadn't faced so many Protoss opponents
the same could be said of sea. T8 might even make it if not for sea meeting so many protoss
On March 14 2012 21:58 figq wrote: So sad... but to be honest, CJ began SPL with impressive dominance and it would have been almost unfair for them to eventually not even make playoffs. Woongjin Stars had a strong season again, particularly Soulkey and the rookies, but key figures from the last season underperformed, and it just very slightly wasn't enough. GL next time, Stars fighting!
I wonder where the Stars would be if Light hadn't faced so many Protoss opponents
the same could be said of sea. T8 might even make it if not for sea meeting so many protoss
I blame Zero. Light's TvP sucks. We accept that. Zero going into the worst slump of his career, on the other hand ... And coming off such a good performance last season.
CJ to win it. CJ is a team that I really like. It's nice to have a team to properly get behind for the postseason.
I'm also really happy that T1 is in the finals. I would have strong feelings during PL finals regardless, but my passion for some teams is stronger than others. The amount that I love STX and hate SKT1 makes all of the other teams pale in comparison.
On March 14 2012 22:17 thopol wrote: CJ to win it. CJ is a team that I really like. It's nice to have a team to properly get behind for the postseason.
I'm also really happy that T1 is in the finals. I would have strong feelings during PL finals regardless, but my passion for some teams is stronger than others. The amount that I love STX and hate SKT1 makes all of the other teams pale in comparison.
I'm really looking forward to these playoffs.
Wait, what? You're really happy T1 is in the finals, but you hate T1? Why? Do you want to see SKT get crushed right at the very end?
On March 14 2012 22:17 thopol wrote: CJ to win it. CJ is a team that I really like. It's nice to have a team to properly get behind for the postseason.
I'm also really happy that T1 is in the finals. I would have strong feelings during PL finals regardless, but my passion for some teams is stronger than others. The amount that I love STX and hate SKT1 makes all of the other teams pale in comparison.
I'm really looking forward to these playoffs.
Wait, what? You're really happy T1 is in the finals, but you hate T1? Why? Do you want to see SKT get crushed right at the very end?
Ideally, yeah. The thing is, I root against T1 just about as strongly as I root for my favorite team. I have always embraced it with the justification that passion in sports is made up of both love and hate (seriously, fuck the Padres). I will be much more involved and fanatic during this PL finals because of that SKT hate factor. I definitely appreciate that.
On March 14 2012 22:17 thopol wrote: CJ to win it. CJ is a team that I really like. It's nice to have a team to properly get behind for the postseason.
I'm also really happy that T1 is in the finals. I would have strong feelings during PL finals regardless, but my passion for some teams is stronger than others. The amount that I love STX and hate SKT1 makes all of the other teams pale in comparison.
I'm really looking forward to these playoffs.
Wait, what? You're really happy T1 is in the finals, but you hate T1? Why? Do you want to see SKT get crushed right at the very end?
Ideally, yeah. The thing is, I root against T1 just about as strongly as I root for my favorite team. I have always embraced it with the justification that passion in sports is made up of both love and hate (seriously, fuck the Padres). I will be much more involved and fanatic during this PL finals because of that SKT hate factor. I definitely appreciate that.
That's going to be one emotionally charged PL finals you're going to have if CJ make it that far
Although ggaemo had won some engagements and gained advantage, he lost the advantage he gained from his hard work through the constant vulture runbys to his expos. Going ultraling is not bad, but you need to have constant 4 bases running and high mineral flow because ultras are not the units that kill, it's the cracklings that come in to the tanks afterwards.
It was a good game to watch and I cheered for ggaemo the whole way through
On March 15 2012 00:53 Lightwip wrote: SKT has always sucked in finals. Not sure why this should be any different.
No less true than the original
lol. That's like pointing at Jaedong and saying he sucks at finals because he has 4 silvers.
But he also has 5 golds.
Funny that timings are similar. Both have been failing in their most recent finals! Also, hyperbole. Same as Lightwip's, don't single mine out just because I took a cheap shot at the orange people while his was aimed at CJ.
Don't know who to root for. On one hand I shutter at the thought of another KT vs SKT1 final. OTOH, CJ is certainly the worst matchup for Khan. Not to mention I I feel Effort/Hydra are just as difficult as Flash when pit against Jangbi/Stork.
On March 15 2012 06:34 dRaW wrote: damn completely 1 sided, if ggaemo won his game ACE coulda had momentum and won
Was it at least close?
At some points in the game ggaemo had a (major?) advantage. At least that's what I thought. Very close game, go watch it!
I agree that he had a decent advantage at various parts of the game. But there was no way an Air Force player can keep up with the pace of Leta in the late-game, advantage or no advantage. IMO an A-level zerg probably would've won that game, but ggeamo's late game right now is obviously below that.
On March 15 2012 00:53 Lightwip wrote: SKT has always sucked in finals. Not sure why this should be any different.
No less true than the original
lol. That's like pointing at Jaedong and saying he sucks at finals because he has 4 silvers.
But he also has 5 golds.
Funny that timings are similar. Both have been failing in their most recent finals! Also, hyperbole. Same as Lightwip's, don't single mine out just because I took a cheap shot at the orange people while his was aimed at CJ.
Relax my child. In two days CJ shall fail as they always have. And when that happens, no one shall be surprised.
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