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Winechu
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1186 Posts
February 25 2012 08:12 GMT
#1261
On February 25 2012 17:09 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 17:08 Winechu wrote:
KTFlash with a +14 differential. Beastin' it.


Flash 14 wins that makes KT have a 50% winrate outside of him lolol.


That's good enough, Flash auto win then the rest win 50% of the remaining 4 games = win the series.
George_the_man
Profile Joined May 2011
796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 08:53:19
February 25 2012 08:14 GMT
#1262
On February 25 2012 17:09 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 17:08 Winechu wrote:
KTFlash with a +14 differential. Beastin' it.


Flash 14 wins that makes KT have a 50% winrate outside of him lolol.


U do realise that this is best score in any teams ?
I mean if u remove best player score from any other team every single one gets below 50% ( ok i think Khan will be also exact 50%) but noone else , so thats pretty damn good if u ask me

if u dont get what i mean here it is .. Lets remove ace players from all the teams for a second and see what we get ( dont go too deep into that analysis its just to prove something)

So KT without Flash is 50% winrate
Khan without Stork is 50% winrate
SKT without Fantasy is 48% winrate
edit" tbh ill do the rest
CJ without Leta 47% winrate
STX without Calm 44% winrate
Team 8 without Jaedong 43% winrate
Stars without Soulkey 41.5%(!!!) winrate
Ace without Kal 36% winrate

We still got top 4 the same , we got most scores the same just Stars not fitting in

This is for all people who blindly believe KT is no1 just because of Flash .. ure wrong! dont believe? do the math.
sinistral
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore859 Posts
February 25 2012 08:17 GMT
#1263
Damn Barracks, keep wanting the food hon_sin stockpiled inside the supply depots. Well played.
(´・ω・`)
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
February 25 2012 08:25 GMT
#1264
Postin' this before I head off to bed

[image loading]

We can conclude:

-Samsung and KT are in.
-Team 8, STX and ACE are out, sorry, better luck next season.

It's gonna be a gritty battle for spots 3 and 4 between SKT1, CJ, and Stars. SKT can essentially seal their spot if they beat STX tomorrow thanks to their large win differential, Stars is in murky water but not out of the running yet. The Stars vs CJ game in 3 days will make or break them.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
February 25 2012 08:33 GMT
#1265
i only watch bw when flash plays

and after the vod.. holy shit this kid is a freaking phenomenon
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
Emperor_Earth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States824 Posts
February 25 2012 08:43 GMT
#1266
On February 25 2012 15:41 S-Class wrote:
Take note.
Flash midgame/lategame is always set up by his early game bunker or marine rush.
All his games this season has been like that. SK was behind 30 supply all game
Just hanging on with epic control.

Flash only had to wait for his econ and macro to kick in and GG.

Stop Flash early game shenanigans, and let's see how Flash perfroms on even games.


... What?

I seem to remember he's won a few OSLs/MSLs with his "even game" shenanigans.
@Emperor_Earth ------- "Amat Victoria Curam."
Emperor_Earth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States824 Posts
February 25 2012 08:44 GMT
#1267
On February 25 2012 15:45 Gairbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 15:41 S-Class wrote:
Take note.
Flash midgame/lategame is always set up by his early game bunker or marine rush.
All his games this season has been like that. SK was behind 30 supply all game
Just hanging on with epic control.

Flash only had to wait for his econ and macro to kick in and GG.

Stop Flash early game shenanigans, and let's see how Flash perfroms on even games.


+ Show Spoiler +
Shenanigans


Even so that multitasking ability is yet to be matched by only 1 player.

+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)Jaedong


That's false. Baby is by far the best aggro multitasker in the game today> he's not that good at saviOr-esque management, but he absolutely obliterated FlaSh when they tried to out multi each other.
@Emperor_Earth ------- "Amat Victoria Curam."
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
February 25 2012 08:52 GMT
#1268
I thought that was a really cool TvT from Barracks. Disregarding a lot of sloppy micro / management errors (losing clumps of tanks for no reason, forgetting about wraiths, etc.), the tank drop + wraith switch -> kill depots -> battlecruiser transition was pretty awesome, made hon_sin unable to make goliaths ^^
:)
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
February 25 2012 08:53 GMT
#1269
On February 25 2012 17:43 Emperor_Earth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 15:41 S-Class wrote:
Take note.
Flash midgame/lategame is always set up by his early game bunker or marine rush.
All his games this season has been like that. SK was behind 30 supply all game
Just hanging on with epic control.

Flash only had to wait for his econ and macro to kick in and GG.

Stop Flash early game shenanigans, and let's see how Flash perfroms on even games.


... What?

I seem to remember he's won a few OSLs/MSLs with his "even game" shenanigans.

it doesnt matter, flash IS the metagame
he'll set up the game however he wants regardless
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
February 25 2012 08:59 GMT
#1270
On February 25 2012 17:25 Hinanawi wrote:
Postin' this before I head off to bed

[image loading]

We can conclude:

-Samsung and KT are in.
-Team 8, STX and ACE are out, sorry, better luck next season.

It's gonna be a gritty battle for spots 3 and 4 between SKT1, CJ, and Stars. SKT can essentially seal their spot if they beat STX tomorrow thanks to their large win differential, Stars is in murky water but not out of the running yet. The Stars vs CJ game in 3 days will make or break them.

That's simply untrue. KT and KHAN are in, yes, but 8, STX, and ACE all have slim chances remaining.

+ Show Spoiler +
ACE : KHAN    +ace -khan
STX : SKT +stx -skt
Stars : CJ +?
KT : STX +stx -kt
ACE : STX +?
SKT KHAN +?

---

8 : Stars +8 -stars
CJ : KT +?
ACE : SKT +ace -skt
KHAN : 8 +8 -khan
SKT : 8 +8 -skt
KT : ACE +ace -kt
-
CJ : STX +stx -cj
KHAN : Stars +?
8 : KT +8 -kt
CJ : ACE +ace -cj

KT 11- 6 +14 -3 (1?) cj
KHAN 11- 6 + 6 -2 (2?)
SKT 9- 8 + 7 -3 (1?)
CJ 9- 8 + 2 -2 (2?)
Stars 9- 9 - 4 -1 (2?)
8 7-10 - 5 (-1) +4
STX 7-10 - 7 +3 (1?)
ACE 5-11 -14 +4 (1?)

KHAN 11- 8 + 6? (2?) skt, stars
KT 11- 9 +14? (1?) cj
8 11-10 - 5?(-1)
STX 10-10 - 7? (1?) ace
CJ 9-10 + 2? (2?) kt, stars
Stars 9-10 - 4? (2?) khan, cj
SKT 9-11 + 7? (1?) khan
ACE 9-11 -14? (1?) stx

KT 12- 9 +14? (1?) Wv cj
KHAN 12- 9 + 6? (2?) Lv skt, Wv stars
8 11-10 - 5?(-1)
SKT 10-11 + 7? (1?) Wv khan
Stars 10-11 - 4? (2?) Lv khan, Wv cj
STX 10-11 - 7? (1?) Lv ace
ACE 10-11 -14? (1?) Wv stx
CJ 9-12 + 2? (2?) Lv kt, Lv stars
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Winechu
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1186 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 09:24:54
February 25 2012 09:19 GMT
#1271
Mathematically, yes they still stand a chance. But how probable and realistic is that outcome? They're pretty much out of contention already.


On February 25 2012 17:14 George_the_man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 17:09 Kipsate wrote:
On February 25 2012 17:08 Winechu wrote:
KTFlash with a +14 differential. Beastin' it.


Flash 14 wins that makes KT have a 50% winrate outside of him lolol.


U do realise that this is best score in any teams ?
I mean if u remove best player score from any other team every single one gets below 50% ( ok i think Khan will be also exact 50%) but noone else , so thats pretty damn good if u ask me

if u dont get what i mean here it is .. Lets remove ace players from all the teams for a second and see what we get ( dont go too deep into that analysis its just to prove something)

So KT without Flash is 50% winrate
Khan without Stork is 50% winrate
SKT without Fantasy is 48% winrate
edit" tbh ill do the rest
CJ without Leta 47% winrate
STX without Calm 44% winrate
Team 8 without Jaedong 43% winrate
Stars without Soulkey 41.5%(!!!) winrate
Ace without Kal 36% winrate

We still got top 4 the same , we got most scores the same just Stars not fitting in

This is for all people who blindly believe KT is no1 just because of Flash .. ure wrong! dont believe? do the math.


I dont think kipsate was trying to demean the efforts of rest of the KT players, but nonetheless those are some interesting statistics. Flash does have a reliable supporting cast. Especially Stats/CH.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 09:49:50
February 25 2012 09:49 GMT
#1272
What's happened to Free? Haven't seen him in a while.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
February 25 2012 09:57 GMT
#1273
holy fuck soulkey that was pimp.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
February 25 2012 10:13 GMT
#1274
I can't stop rewatching Soulkey's lurker egg shield. Too bad nobody has 2000 apm. Zerg would never need overlords against terran again.
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
February 25 2012 10:29 GMT
#1275
Soulkey went down just as Stork did - he played incredibly well, but Flash was in control of the game the entire time. Fans got what they wanted, Woongjin didn't. Because let's be honest here... in current form, the only one who has a mild chance of giving Flash a run for his money is probably fantasy (as much as I'd love to say Stork too, he does not).
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
Arkqn
Profile Joined August 2008
France589 Posts
February 25 2012 11:40 GMT
#1276
Holy jesus. Just watched the Soulkey vs Flash game. I was kind of worried when SK was pulling himself out of the early disadvantage and his awesome lurker egg shield trick. But damn... Flash is just steps ahead in every aspect of the game. He's just outclassing everyone it gets me so excited everytime he plays to see if his opponent can keep up and work something out.
Elena[PaiN]
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
February 25 2012 11:46 GMT
#1277
On February 25 2012 15:41 S-Class wrote:
Take note.
Flash midgame/lategame is always set up by his early game bunker or marine rush.
All his games this season has been like that. SK was behind 30 supply all game
Just hanging on with epic control.

Flash only had to wait for his econ and macro to kick in and GG.

Stop Flash early game shenanigans, and let's see how Flash perfroms on even games.

I think this would be a bigger lawl if this was on the unimpressed Flash thread,
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
February 25 2012 12:16 GMT
#1278
Flash is just godlike.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
February 25 2012 12:55 GMT
#1279
KT
Learn,live and love it.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
February 25 2012 13:12 GMT
#1280
Flash just kept on ramping up the pressure until Souldkey collapsed. His resources were shooting up and he started walking into mines even though his position looked ok. Could have been lack of multitasking ability but more likely it was just mental fatigue from being under siege the whole game.

The scary part is that Flash might have had a few more gears left. Though his macro wasn't perfect either so who knows.
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