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gulati

United States2241 Posts

January 01 2012 05:27 GMT

#521

On January 01 2012 14:26 Kipsate wrote:

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suqq suqq

what are you wearing right now?

he got nothin but a cowboy hat on his peep

Taekwon

United States8155 Posts

January 01 2012 05:27 GMT

#522

On January 01 2012 14:23 o[twist] wrote:

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On January 01 2012 14:18 Taekwon wrote:

On January 01 2012 14:09 o[twist] wrote:

On January 01 2012 14:07 Taekwon wrote:

On January 01 2012 14:03 KenNage wrote:

On January 01 2012 14:01 Taekwon wrote:
sea didn't play terribly at all -

he was surprised by the elevator but minimized losses
he blocked the reaver fantastically
he attempted vulture harasses but dear just had great sense
he had good decision making with the back door - he was only distracted by the recall

there was no way he could've saved the cc becuz his army was so far away- he knew that so he went forward,
dear got recall first - he had it planned

dear just had fantastic army positioning and game sense
he knew how to stay ahead in the game and cemented it

u say he didnt play terrible at all?... you gotta be kidding

Perhaps your willing to backup your argument instead of allowing your anger to blind you and act incoherently.

Also, I think you're messing up the semantics of my statement. He didn't play terribly at all as in, he didn't play to the point
of being terrible. In other words - quality wise instead of quantity wise. He played unfortunately. Not terrible.
Stop putting words in my mouth.

he played pretty badly - i'm usually very generous to T players but building the bunker out of range, being indecisive about his push, failing to repair the burning cc, etc. were all very bad. his reactions were good

Bunker range was a mistake - not a critical game maker. Sea effectively neutralized 12 nex and more - he could've easily destroyed the nexus if he wanted to but chose to play it safe and retreated his scvs very early upon seeing dear would probably not overextend his probes to defend it.

Also - positioning the bunker was to surprise dear - it wasnt in sight range. I'm actually shocked on how so many people don't realize or address this.

The push, again, was not indecisive - how can he push when dear had such an army movement? Which push btw? Because i would outright dismiss you if you were talking about the initial stages where an ARBITER was out and Sea was just building his port. Assuming the other points of the game, recall into natural counter - his backdoor force was taken out. You really have to put yourself in terran mindset. When the toss isnt playing standard big block army style especially, how in the world can you push?

I already addressed the CC - there was no way to save it, sea had CHOSEN to abandon it.
Although he could've theoretically had more assets to win had he saved it, he made the strategic decision to abandon a lost CC and chose to focus on the front. That's not a players fault, it's a choice he made and an unlucky outcome.

That's sea. good, but unlucky.

i disagree. destroying the nexus would have been a big deal. it's the difference between being ahead and being behind. as for what you say about the bunker placement - that doesn't matter - dear didn't have any units yet! if that was the reason behind the dumb bunker placement, it's just a dumb reason. everyone else who bunker rushes 12nex puts it in range. there's no reason sea shouldn't have.

as for the push, your army isn't doing anything when it's walking back and forth between the other guy's base and your own. whether he should have pushed or not pushed, he definitely shouldn't have vacillated.

as for the last thing, saying he made a choice doesn't make it a good choice.

sigh. Sea. doesnt. know. that. other tosses make in range bunker rushes becuz their scout isn;t right on the first try. something sea happened to do. sea didnt scout ANYTHING in dears main. how the heck would he know unit comp or gate count or whether he went for core?

he didn't vacillate. he came out. retreated when arbs came out. split along with toss split. with vessel pushes out.
recall happens. goes to nat. splits. dear nat counters.

as for the choice, any terran basically lost that cc. your army is out in the center and u think u can save a cc? remmeber recall was super early researched?
even the commentators were talking about dear's decision to go to the farthest possible place sea could take care of the recall.

o[twist]

United States4903 Posts

January 01 2012 05:27 GMT

#523

On January 01 2012 14:25 Shurayuki wrote:

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On January 01 2012 14:23 o[twist] wrote:

On January 01 2012 14:18 Taekwon wrote:

On January 01 2012 14:09 o[twist] wrote:

On January 01 2012 14:07 Taekwon wrote:

On January 01 2012 14:03 KenNage wrote:

u say he didnt play terrible at all?... you gotta be kidding

if you destroy the 12nex you're still not really ahead to be fair, pretty much equal. but yeah he should've comitted to killing it (and showing no reaction when the goon arrived, ugh)

i've heard the line that you're not ahead after bunker rushing the 12nex but i don't think it makes mathematical sense. you're ahead on tech and you haven't committed 400 minerals into a dead nex.

George_the_man

796 Posts

January 01 2012 05:27 GMT

#524

if Modesty pulled that drones sooner to help defend sunken it could be won game

yepenaxa

Belarus2280 Posts

January 01 2012 05:27 GMT

#525

JD is alone