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o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
December 27 2011 08:15 GMT
#441
On December 27 2011 17:12 Hyde wrote:
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On December 27 2011 17:11 o[twist] wrote:
On December 27 2011 17:09 Golgotha wrote:
i dont get how zero was able to hold so many ninja bases without any of them getting raped by a simple bio push. ill have to study this one


the min-only bases were on high ground so the sunkens were super powerful against them since not many bio units could get on the ramp. in addition, leta spread his forces early because he found out there were two ninja expands and he thought he had to take them both down. maybe if he'd focused his forces on only one of them or gone up the backdoor so he didn't have to struggle through the ramp

Yeah I'm not entirely sure why Leta's split his army up, he had to small forces sitting outside the bases doing nothing. He attempted to attack 10 and after he lost 2 marines he backed off and left his marines there, as if it were some sort of contain


i think part of it was shock. these kids practice constantly but i think zero's play was honestly 100% unexpected. i'm not sure how much of leta's strength comes from good decision-making but you're definitely right that we didn't see him making great decisions this game.

that said, he may have been thinking to deny further expansions (since gas expands are more powerful for zergs), or he may have been trying to block off units.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 27 2011 08:15 GMT
#442
Oh cool, Pro7ect knows Korean.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
December 27 2011 08:15 GMT
#443
On December 27 2011 17:14 figq wrote:
The drone rush reminds me of playing vs korean protoss, and he masses dark archons, mind controls all my drones, and then kills me with my own drones, to prove that drones are imba :3

How did you let him get that many DAs? enough to take all your drones lol
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
December 27 2011 08:16 GMT
#444
On December 27 2011 17:12 Kazius wrote:
I love ZerO... but it was all over the moment Leta's 5rax "pressure" did no pressure and allowed ZerO to continue with 4 bases (and expand to a 5th). A balls-to-the-wall full-on attack on the fourth could have won him the game (he was far ahead on supply), but instead he chose to play safe vs. a super-greedy build. A Zerg with more than double a Terran's bases not under a dangerous attack will always win (unless it's Flash, who doesn't count as these rules are meant for humans, not cybernetic super-beings).

ZerO just played it out correctly, keeping minimal defenses while getting ready for late-game. Immaculate ZvT, including the 4 drone pressure (Leta was forced to pull 8 SCVs, lost a lot more mining time and was delayed in tech).


zero made his 4th and 5th at almost identical times
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
December 27 2011 08:16 GMT
#445
Action please take note how to get into the late game by studying zero.......
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
poisui
Profile Joined July 2011
1088 Posts
December 27 2011 08:17 GMT
#446
On December 27 2011 17:13 xxpack09 wrote:
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On December 27 2011 17:12 poisui wrote:


Remember Jaedong's drone rush against Midas?


Jaedong's was definitely more pimp, but Zero's double min only expo into brilliant defense with nydus/sunks into taking both mains was simply brilliant.

Jaedong's rush, unfortunately, only succeeded because Midas suck. If that bunker surround had failed, it would most likely have been Midas' win.

I agree. Zero's play in this game was brilliant.
Winechu
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1186 Posts
December 27 2011 08:17 GMT
#447
On December 27 2011 17:15 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 17:14 figq wrote:
The drone rush reminds me of playing vs korean protoss, and he masses dark archons, mind controls all my drones, and then kills me with my own drones, to prove that drones are imba :3

How did you let him get that many DAs? enough to take all your drones lol


That's what I was thinking as well rofl. That loss must've been really painful.
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
December 27 2011 08:17 GMT
#448
Finally a decent intro song
Ellibereth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States66 Posts
December 27 2011 08:17 GMT
#449
hong
sin
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 27 2011 08:17 GMT
#450
LOL HONSIN
WriterXiao8~~
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 27 2011 08:17 GMT
#451
On December 27 2011 17:16 Sawamura wrote:
Action please take note how to get into the late game by studying zero.......

Don't fool yourself: despite occasional decent games, Action is bad.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
December 27 2011 08:17 GMT
#452
On December 27 2011 17:15 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 17:14 figq wrote:
The drone rush reminds me of playing vs korean protoss, and he masses dark archons, mind controls all my drones, and then kills me with my own drones, to prove that drones are imba :3

How did you let him get that many DAs? enough to take all your drones lol
im like E iccup, he like fish server veteran lol dont remember how we even got in the same game, perhaps on blizzard server
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
December 27 2011 08:17 GMT
#453
missed the first game
let me game guess ... another cheesy strategy by movie? cant see light going back to his grey days of bad pvt.....
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
December 27 2011 08:18 GMT
#454
Hon_sin going up against Snow.

On paper, this looks to be a matchup victory for Snow with his PvT.
HighTemper
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada3867 Posts
December 27 2011 08:18 GMT
#455
Oh Snow! White X'mas!!!
"Issue the orders Sir [JangBi], and I will storm Hell." - Anthony Wayne
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 27 2011 08:18 GMT
#456
another woongjin terran?

vs snow?

looking good so far, gogogo snow!
BW is back
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
December 27 2011 08:18 GMT
#457
Sin for Stars, he was formerly MBC Game correct?
vs SNOW
Tablo will carry you through Snow <3
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
December 27 2011 08:18 GMT
#458
Suddenly, I realize the extent of the horrible, horrible combination that has been created by placing the best/second-best TvZer next to one of the best macro ZvTers ever.
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
December 27 2011 08:18 GMT
#459
On December 27 2011 17:17 pvzvt wrote:
missed the first game
let me game guess ... another cheesy strategy by movie? cant see light going back to his grey days of bad pvt.....


Nah it was actually a very good game, although I am sad that Light did not avenge Sea.
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
December 27 2011 08:18 GMT
#460
Honsin vs snow
wow CJ coach landed favorable matchup despite it being honsin wow
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