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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
December 20 2011 21:24 GMT
#681
Worst night of PL this year, except for the Hyuking.
☺
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
December 20 2011 21:38 GMT
#682
These games were not so entertaining
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
December 20 2011 21:52 GMT
#683
Kal's PvZ looked pretty bad. He was going for everything except an army or doing any real damage to Hyuk. In the end he had 3 cannons, 2 zealots and 1 reaver against a 3 base hydra bust. Work on it Kal - you're better than this.
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19229 Posts
December 20 2011 23:04 GMT
#684
On December 19 2011 23:47 Kipsate wrote:
SKT probably but you never know, Lee Seung Eun fighting!
Also, I think Kal can play, he will show his true Goejilla today and own someone with reavers.

Preferabbly 2sair reaver against Soo or S2, but Ill take anything.

That was a good call. Too bad he got Hyuked. Anyone look at the results and feel like this is out of PL '08. Its been so long since a Hyuk/Fantasy/Bisu win that it makes me feel so good! GJ SKT!!! Bisu fighting!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
December 20 2011 23:07 GMT
#685
Not pleased with the results tonight. Great needs to win eventually, but seemingly is being sacrificed to the BW gods. He was sent to die against Flash, Bisu, and ZvZ sniper Modesty. And Kal loses his debut game. Worst game of the season so far.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
December 20 2011 23:12 GMT
#686
On December 21 2011 08:07 Crisium wrote:
Not pleased with the results tonight. Great needs to win eventually, but seemingly is being sacrificed to the BW gods. He was sent to die against Flash, Bisu, and ZvZ sniper Modesty. And Kal loses his debut game. Worst game of the season so far.

Great's woes aren't as bad as Jaehoon's though.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
December 21 2011 01:36 GMT
#687
Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
December 21 2011 01:51 GMT
#688
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote:
Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds


Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
December 21 2011 02:47 GMT
#689
Bearing in mind oov's TvZ run is often cited as the ultimate example of dominance it's pretty insane to think any Protoss could one day get the same vZ ELO peak as one of the all time great TvZ players. Just look at where the next Protoss is in all time vZ ELO peak. Bisu is truly one of the most unique players ever.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
December 21 2011 08:20 GMT
#690
On December 21 2011 11:47 Thorin wrote:
Bearing in mind oov's TvZ run is often cited as the ultimate example of dominance it's pretty insane to think any Protoss could one day get the same vZ ELO peak as one of the all time great TvZ players. Just look at where the next Protoss is in all time vZ ELO peak. Bisu is truly one of the most unique players ever.


True, but keep in mind that Jaedong's ZvZ (!!!!) peak is even higher...
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PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
December 22 2011 04:55 GMT
#691
The worst thing about being on holiday is trying to find a PC for my BW fix! Glad to see the boys getting back on the winning side of things.

Fanta continues his good form since being given his opportunity, and it's nice to see the Captain getting a televised win. Wouldn't have done Bisu any harm to get some confidence back either.

Both halves of this season are going to be interesting methinks. With so many strong teams now it's going to make for a nail-biting few months.
jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
December 22 2011 10:24 GMT
#692
On December 20 2011 17:06 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 17:05 .V. wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:00 konadora wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:00 jaQi wrote:
On December 20 2011 16:54 konadora wrote:
that wasn't fantasy gg timing

fantasy gg timing would be losing main and all expos except 12 o clock, and as bisu proceeds to destroy it, great, who somehow saved up 1k minerals starts expanding at 3 different areas while holding each off with 2-3 lurkers. bisu army proceeds to take down one by one, cancelling each hatch before destruction and rebuilding another hatch elsewhere. supply difference is now 150, great has 17 supply, but refusing to surrender. he starts harassing with 3 zergling at an undefended expansion and takes down a couple of probes before being beamed to death by them. with only 3 lurkers against 15 carriers and 5 scouts, great watches as his last hatchery goes down to 50 hp before typing out gg and being eliminated, but not before doing a spin with that drone that was building that last hatchery


You should give him some obs too.... and a arbiter takes care of the carriers


(hum, do you guys know a game where arbs and carriers appear? I can imagine its way too expansive, but it would be funny :D)

i think bisu vs jaedong on andromeda?
stork vs ggplay?

Bisu used Arbiter and Carrier vs Zerg... against Jaedong?
Thats pretty baller!!!
vods?

i can't remember if he did, but he definitely got carriers


Watched Bisu vs JD but there was no arbiter, but it was a really sick/strange game, was wondering all the time why this strat worked by Bisu and at the same time I was impressed by the army and his shuttle/reaver control, looked better than nowadays ^^
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
December 22 2011 11:23 GMT
#693
On December 21 2011 10:51 Seraphic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote:
Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds


Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?

his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
December 22 2011 13:48 GMT
#694
On December 22 2011 20:23 c3rberUs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 10:51 Seraphic wrote:
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote:
Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds


Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?

his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...

Bisu haven't faced toughest competion
In the woods, there lurks..
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3370 Posts
December 22 2011 15:17 GMT
#695
On December 22 2011 22:48 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 20:23 c3rberUs wrote:
On December 21 2011 10:51 Seraphic wrote:
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote:
Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds


Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?

his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...

Bisu haven't faced toughest competion

Multiple wins last year against Flash, Baby, Hiya, Skyhigh, Bogus, Sea, Really, Reality, FBH, Iris, ForGG, Mind, Leta.

I am not sure what else you want.

Stork/Jangbi have had highly dominant PvT streaks or prominent OSL runs. Bisu consistently dismantled every Terran in the league (other than Flash) for close to a year, and that run is still going.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
December 22 2011 15:22 GMT
#696
On December 22 2011 20:23 c3rberUs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 10:51 Seraphic wrote:
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote:
Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds


Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?

his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...

Well, elo isn't fit for BW, you may compare it for fun etc, although overall it's close to worthless as a measure here.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 15:27:11
December 22 2011 15:26 GMT
#697
I would say it's a very suitable measure of consistency. Even if you are someone like Bisu who tends to beat up on weaker players in PL and then flunk out of individual leagues... he did it last year with a never before seen consistency. Going 24-4 (give or take some...) in PvZ during a time when most P were struggling to hit 50% and even great players were losing to lesser players to things like hydra busts, Bisu was insanely consistent.

(the same was mostly true for his vT)
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 15:40:56
December 22 2011 15:35 GMT
#698
It may almost sound a bit cynical but Bisus results are actually really impressive due to the fact he has had horrible individual league runs for years. Most Progamers predominantly care about PL and/or choke in SL so his results are all the more meaningful, especially playing in so many ace matches.

On December 22 2011 19:24 jaQi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 17:06 konadora wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:05 .V. wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:00 konadora wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:00 jaQi wrote:
On December 20 2011 16:54 konadora wrote:
that wasn't fantasy gg timing

fantasy gg timing would be losing main and all expos except 12 o clock, and as bisu proceeds to destroy it, great, who somehow saved up 1k minerals starts expanding at 3 different areas while holding each off with 2-3 lurkers. bisu army proceeds to take down one by one, cancelling each hatch before destruction and rebuilding another hatch elsewhere. supply difference is now 150, great has 17 supply, but refusing to surrender. he starts harassing with 3 zergling at an undefended expansion and takes down a couple of probes before being beamed to death by them. with only 3 lurkers against 15 carriers and 5 scouts, great watches as his last hatchery goes down to 50 hp before typing out gg and being eliminated, but not before doing a spin with that drone that was building that last hatchery


You should give him some obs too.... and a arbiter takes care of the carriers


(hum, do you guys know a game where arbs and carriers appear? I can imagine its way too expansive, but it would be funny :D)

i think bisu vs jaedong on andromeda?
stork vs ggplay?

Bisu used Arbiter and Carrier vs Zerg... against Jaedong?
Thats pretty baller!!!
vods?

i can't remember if he did, but he definitely got carriers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH7oFgi7_1Q


Watched Bisu vs JD but there was no arbiter, but it was a really sick/strange game, was wondering all the time why this strat worked by Bisu and at the same time I was impressed by the army and his shuttle/reaver control, looked better than nowadays ^^


I just skipped around in Stork vs GGplay and that really has both. so if you have 1:30h time you can go watch that ^^
なまいきになんなよ~ Don't be too stakka~ ☆ SKT Harlequin ☆ n.Die_soO Hoppin You ♪ 愛 am BeSt ♪ ワイフ♥小早川りんこ
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
December 22 2011 15:36 GMT
#699
Also consistent at losing in prelims, but these obviously not count, since it would hurt our precious Bisu's elo.
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
December 22 2011 15:49 GMT
#700
On December 23 2011 00:36 ZBiR wrote:
Also consistent at losing in prelims, but these obviously not count, since it would hurt our precious Bisu's elo.


My aren't we sarcastic to boot.

Park is like a fierce jealous wife, just look at how he cracked down on Bisu when he was joking around with Hyungjoon, he would eat Bisu alive if he didn't dedicate himself 100% to the team when he asks him to.
Maybe on another team he would fare better in individual leagues, Park reportedly isn't a big fan of them and we have to rely on Bisu so often.

なまいきになんなよ~ Don't be too stakka~ ☆ SKT Harlequin ☆ n.Die_soO Hoppin You ♪ 愛 am BeSt ♪ ワイフ♥小早川りんこ
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