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TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
December 25 2011 16:00 GMT
#141
Team 8 could really use a boost right about now. Somebody's gotta get Sea into a winning mode or they'll never make it. They need to have at least a winning season to attract some sponsors.
Hyvaa #1 Fan. Gogo STX, Dear, Bogus, Classic, and Mini! Always a BW fan!
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2007 Posts
December 25 2011 16:05 GMT
#142
On December 25 2011 23:38 George_the_man wrote:
its pretty hard for me couse i dont speak korean found only that one on fomos but its not uploaded
http://www.fomos.kr/extra/content.php?mode=ranking

But i think the ones showed on OGN right after matches must be right
http://da.twitch.tv/lokimw/b/303560290 - 1:45:45

I actually found the 'official rankings' on the KeESPA website (bottom right corner). You were right, so I changed the table.

That makes it look rather bad for the poor Team 8. Come on (T)Sea, hang in there!
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
December 25 2011 16:07 GMT
#143
Makes me so sad to see Team 8 so close to being last. Sea needs to start winning some games to help out.
sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
December 25 2011 16:48 GMT
#144
It looked so promising for them the first couple of weeks too.
"Dude, just don't listen to what I say; listen to what I mean." -Sean Plott
Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-25 17:01:19
December 25 2011 17:00 GMT
#145
With the old ace match and winners' league formats I thought SKT were the favourites, but I think CJ has the best overall team for the new format. They can legimitately put out five solid players for each match.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
December 27 2011 09:13 GMT
#146
Will there be something like playoffs at the end of the terms? Because its not writen as part of the format
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2007 Posts
December 27 2011 10:09 GMT
#147
On December 27 2011 18:13 M2 wrote:
Will there be something like playoffs at the end of the terms? Because its not writen as part of the format


Yes, there will be playoffs:

-8 teams will participate. In this post season, 4 top teams will go into playoffs with challenge style (previously used format I guess). Semi-PO and PO will be Best out of 3, while Finals will be only one match.


I'm not sure what 'challenge style' is exactly. At a guess I'd say: Semi-PO: rank 4 vs rank 3; PO: winner vs rank 2; final: winner vs rank 1. Pretty much like Winners League finals last season.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
December 29 2011 10:07 GMT
#148
Seems like there's a believe that there's a floodgate of mirror this year. Here are some numbers:

So far, there's 102 games played. Of them, 42 are mirrors, making roughly 41% of games mirrors. In contrast, the 2010-2011 Season had 445 mirror games out of 1118 games total, which is about 40%. Go back another year to the 2009-2010 Season, there were 496 out of 1159 mirror games, which is about 42%. Go back one more year and we get 43.5%.

So I don't know what all the complaints are about.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
December 29 2011 10:34 GMT
#149
I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm from Round 2 onwards.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
December 29 2011 11:06 GMT
#150
Wow
COME ON TEAM WHAT ARE YOU DOING AT 2nd LAST PLACE????

8pm kst i assume
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
December 29 2011 11:19 GMT
#151
On December 29 2011 20:06 jjhchsc2 wrote:
Wow
COME ON TEAM WHAT ARE YOU DOING AT 2nd LAST PLACE????

8pm kst i assume

Yes, 8pm KST.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
December 29 2011 16:24 GMT
#152
On December 29 2011 19:34 Ryo wrote:
I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm from Round 2 onwards.


WTF why?!?!?!!!! T____T

when I'm fucking in Korea, they make the matches at the exact time I have class. Then as soon as I come home, they change it from a decent viewing time (11pm PST) to one where I have no clue when I should sleep to be able to watch it (3am PST)

What was wrong with 4pm... There were plenty of people showing up to weekday games... The last one I attended, SKT vs ACE was totally packed. I don't get it ;;
Writer:o
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 16:37:17
December 29 2011 16:36 GMT
#153
On December 30 2011 01:24 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 19:34 Ryo wrote:
I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm from Round 2 onwards.


WTF why?!?!?!!!! T____T

when I'm fucking in Korea, they make the matches at the exact time I have class. Then as soon as I come home, they change it from a decent viewing time (11pm PST) to one where I have no clue when I should sleep to be able to watch it (3am PST)

What was wrong with 4pm... There were plenty of people showing up to weekday games... The last one I attended, SKT vs ACE was totally packed. I don't get it ;;

DES published an article on why OGN made the change but I can't be bothered to read it. I'm just so tired of OGN and Kespa taking fans (and the players) for granted after they get a great initial response from them.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Gara
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada435 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 17:05:16
December 29 2011 17:01 GMT
#154
On December 29 2011 19:07 bearbuddy wrote:
Seems like there's a believe that there's a floodgate of mirror this year. Here are some numbers:

So far, there's 102 games played. Of them, 42 are mirrors, making roughly 41% of games mirrors. In contrast, the 2010-2011 Season had 445 mirror games out of 1118 games total, which is about 40%. Go back another year to the 2009-2010 Season, there were 496 out of 1159 mirror games, which is about 42%. Go back one more year and we get 43.5%.

So I don't know what all the complaints are about.


I don't think that there is a flood of mirrors, but there is definitely a bit of racial imbalance thus far. Protosses in general are crushing Terrans hard currently, at 13-8 or 61.9% win rate, whereas Zerg is just barely ahead of Protoss at 12-11 ZvP, or 52.2%. Protoss is also seeing the most play in general.

A big part of this is just how weak Terran lineups have been in the post-restructuring age, with only a few S-class and top A-class Terran players. After (T)Flash, (T)Fantasy, (T)BaBy, and (T)Light, the quality of Terran players drops off precipitously, whereas Protoss and Zerg lineups seem much deeper (see: CJ Entus and Samsung KHAN).

EDIT: I'm not claiming this is a big problem; there's really no such thing as a perfectly balanced proleague or starleague of any sort. This season is actually probably more balanced than previous seasons (in 2009-2010, Zerg played 662 games compared to 555 for Protoss, which is quite significant considering the large sample set.)
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2007 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 17:04:20
December 29 2011 17:04 GMT
#155
On December 29 2011 19:34 Ryo wrote:
I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm from Round 2 onwards.

That's a shame from my perspective. I was just getting used to watching the first one or two games during breakfast. It was fun to be pondering over the results during the day, before being able to watch the rest in the evening. Back to reading the news I guess.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2007 Posts
December 29 2011 17:05 GMT
#156
On December 30 2011 02:01 Gara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 19:07 bearbuddy wrote:
Seems like there's a believe that there's a floodgate of mirror this year. Here are some numbers:

So far, there's 102 games played. Of them, 42 are mirrors, making roughly 41% of games mirrors. In contrast, the 2010-2011 Season had 445 mirror games out of 1118 games total, which is about 40%. Go back another year to the 2009-2010 Season, there were 496 out of 1159 mirror games, which is about 42%. Go back one more year and we get 43.5%.

So I don't know what all the complaints are about.


I don't think that there is a flood of mirrors, but there is definitely a bit of racial imbalance thus far. Protosses in general are crushing Terrans hard currently, at 13-8 or 61.9% win rate, whereas Zerg is just barely ahead of Protoss at 12-11 ZvP, or 52.2%. Protoss is also seeing the most play in general.

A big part of this is just how weak Terran lineups have been in the post-restructuring age, with only a few S-class and top A-class Terran players. After (T)Flash, (T)Fantasy, (T)BaBy, and (T)Light, the quality of Terran players drops off precipitously, whereas Protoss and Zerg lineups seem much deeper (see: CJ Entus and Samsung KHAN).

Psst! Quickly, add Bogus before any STX fan notices what you've done there!
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
Gara
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada435 Posts
December 29 2011 19:56 GMT
#157
On December 30 2011 02:05 Simplistik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 02:01 Gara wrote:
On December 29 2011 19:07 bearbuddy wrote:
Seems like there's a believe that there's a floodgate of mirror this year. Here are some numbers:

So far, there's 102 games played. Of them, 42 are mirrors, making roughly 41% of games mirrors. In contrast, the 2010-2011 Season had 445 mirror games out of 1118 games total, which is about 40%. Go back another year to the 2009-2010 Season, there were 496 out of 1159 mirror games, which is about 42%. Go back one more year and we get 43.5%.

So I don't know what all the complaints are about.


I don't think that there is a flood of mirrors, but there is definitely a bit of racial imbalance thus far. Protosses in general are crushing Terrans hard currently, at 13-8 or 61.9% win rate, whereas Zerg is just barely ahead of Protoss at 12-11 ZvP, or 52.2%. Protoss is also seeing the most play in general.

A big part of this is just how weak Terran lineups have been in the post-restructuring age, with only a few S-class and top A-class Terran players. After (T)Flash, (T)Fantasy, (T)BaBy, and (T)Light, the quality of Terran players drops off precipitously, whereas Protoss and Zerg lineups seem much deeper (see: CJ Entus and Samsung KHAN).

Psst! Quickly, add Bogus before any STX fan notices what you've done there!


lol, Bogus who is 1-4 this season? He may have been one of STX's stars last season, but this season he seems to be struggling, although his quality of opponents is very high, and he did beat Bisu. I haven't watched any of his games, so I can't comment on how his actual play is.
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 00:25:48
December 30 2011 00:23 GMT
#158
On December 30 2011 04:56 Gara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 02:05 Simplistik wrote:
On December 30 2011 02:01 Gara wrote:
On December 29 2011 19:07 bearbuddy wrote:
Seems like there's a believe that there's a floodgate of mirror this year. Here are some numbers:

So far, there's 102 games played. Of them, 42 are mirrors, making roughly 41% of games mirrors. In contrast, the 2010-2011 Season had 445 mirror games out of 1118 games total, which is about 40%. Go back another year to the 2009-2010 Season, there were 496 out of 1159 mirror games, which is about 42%. Go back one more year and we get 43.5%.

So I don't know what all the complaints are about.


I don't think that there is a flood of mirrors, but there is definitely a bit of racial imbalance thus far. Protosses in general are crushing Terrans hard currently, at 13-8 or 61.9% win rate, whereas Zerg is just barely ahead of Protoss at 12-11 ZvP, or 52.2%. Protoss is also seeing the most play in general.

A big part of this is just how weak Terran lineups have been in the post-restructuring age, with only a few S-class and top A-class Terran players. After (T)Flash, (T)Fantasy, (T)BaBy, and (T)Light, the quality of Terran players drops off precipitously, whereas Protoss and Zerg lineups seem much deeper (see: CJ Entus and Samsung KHAN).

Psst! Quickly, add Bogus before any STX fan notices what you've done there!


lol, Bogus who is 1-4 this season? He may have been one of STX's stars last season, but this season he seems to be struggling, although his quality of opponents is very high, and he did beat Bisu. I haven't watched any of his games, so I can't comment on how his actual play is.


Well you included Light who is 1-5 so far this season, so it is kind of weird to not include Bogus on your list.
TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
December 30 2011 00:45 GMT
#159
On December 30 2011 09:23 Kieofire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 04:56 Gara wrote:
On December 30 2011 02:05 Simplistik wrote:
On December 30 2011 02:01 Gara wrote:
On December 29 2011 19:07 bearbuddy wrote:
Seems like there's a believe that there's a floodgate of mirror this year. Here are some numbers:

So far, there's 102 games played. Of them, 42 are mirrors, making roughly 41% of games mirrors. In contrast, the 2010-2011 Season had 445 mirror games out of 1118 games total, which is about 40%. Go back another year to the 2009-2010 Season, there were 496 out of 1159 mirror games, which is about 42%. Go back one more year and we get 43.5%.

So I don't know what all the complaints are about.


I don't think that there is a flood of mirrors, but there is definitely a bit of racial imbalance thus far. Protosses in general are crushing Terrans hard currently, at 13-8 or 61.9% win rate, whereas Zerg is just barely ahead of Protoss at 12-11 ZvP, or 52.2%. Protoss is also seeing the most play in general.

A big part of this is just how weak Terran lineups have been in the post-restructuring age, with only a few S-class and top A-class Terran players. After (T)Flash, (T)Fantasy, (T)BaBy, and (T)Light, the quality of Terran players drops off precipitously, whereas Protoss and Zerg lineups seem much deeper (see: CJ Entus and Samsung KHAN).

Psst! Quickly, add Bogus before any STX fan notices what you've done there!


lol, Bogus who is 1-4 this season? He may have been one of STX's stars last season, but this season he seems to be struggling, although his quality of opponents is very high, and he did beat Bisu. I haven't watched any of his games, so I can't comment on how his actual play is.


Well you included Light who is 1-5 so far this season, so it is kind of weird to not include Bogus on your list.



Bogus had a rough start this season. He also beat Bisu and had an epic game with Stats where he almost made a legendary comeback. He deserves to be in a list with top Terran any day.
Hyvaa #1 Fan. Gogo STX, Dear, Bogus, Classic, and Mini! Always a BW fan!
Jindo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1305 Posts
December 30 2011 02:41 GMT
#160
On December 29 2011 19:34 Ryo wrote:
I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm KST from Round 2 onwards.

Aww, I was just getting used to the nice 11PM PST time slot. Oh well...nocturnal mode activating.
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