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~AreS]
Canada2170 Posts
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sv14
Russian Federation66 Posts
On May 29 2005 02:28 Pat wrote: Nevertheless, PGTour website and BNet-X are now done for the most part and to be honest, if someone would comes up with a good plan, I am sure that TiLaser and Chr1s would agree that some trusty people would run it if they had a good and viable plan to do so. What matters is the community and the game, not me. So I wouldn\'t mind to let someone else (preferably a coalition of people, not only one persone), to run it. Many things are important (such as money, managing Admins -and this is so important-, etc...) and all of this would need to be taken into consideration. If not, then we will see what the future has in store. Pat <3 I had no chance to read the entire thread and dunno if this was already suggested. Anyway, here’s my thoughts concerning it. The only viable plan is to turn PGT into a self-supporting system. Charges like server hardware, internet traffic, development, maintenance and admin team work must be compensated. This is the only way to go for any stable working system. The first step towards this is to reach a consent with Blizzard Entertainment. Blizzard should officially approve the existence of PGT and let the crew to earn some money (at least to compensate running expenses). I strongly believe that it’s possible now to conduct negotiations between PGT and Blizzard officials. Recently held MMI confirms that there’s someone who can help to organize such a bridge. The second step is to minimize the running cost and development expenses. It could be done by simplifying the web pages, network client-server interactions and automation of admin work. Network traffic could be reduced dramatically and, in ideal case, there no admin work will be required. Finally, it is necessary think about the actual way to make money. It could be a sponsor, WGT-like ad everywhere or, finally, a membership fare (after free trial indeed). The only problem here is to attract as much people as possible so the Koreans could be really helpful here. I may admit that even Blizzard might be the sponsor and/or initiator of everything. That is my basic idea, though the first step is going to be really hard. | ||
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Pat
Canada721 Posts
On July 09 2005 15:12 sv14 wrote: That is my basic idea, though the first step is going to be really hard. Not hard, impossible. | ||
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sv14
Russian Federation66 Posts
btw what's wrong with your icq? | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On July 09 2005 12:45 ~AreS] wrote: Server arrangements : Finding the money to pay for one, so eventually we don't shut down due to not having the funds. Finally, I'm getting somewhere. First, you shouldn't say money isn't the problem when it is. "Me and some other Admins are talking about getting it up and running. We got a private forum just for us Admins that was on PgTour. Hopefully we will figure something out soon!! I don't think money will be a issue at the moment with sponsors if we get them. so 400 a month on a server no biggie maybe" I guess it was a biggie? Also, what happened to this? "One of the WebMasters posted this on the Admin Forum PGTour will be re-opening soon. I don't want to put an exact date, but we have a very interesting sponsorship deal. So thats good news Not going to put exact date just becuase we don't want to get your hopes up and not be able to open it up on that date." Did this fall out or what? Sorry, I'm not going to let you off easy now that I've got you responding. Do you have a sponsor? Are you trying to pony up yourself? Is this the only problem? | ||
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NerO
United States2071 Posts
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Ilintar
Poland794 Posts
The first step towards this is to reach a consent with Blizzard Entertainment. Blizzard should officially approve the existence of PGT and let the crew to earn some money (at least to compensate running expenses). I strongly believe that it’s possible now to conduct negotiations between PGT and Blizzard officials. Recently held MMI confirms that there’s someone who can help to organize such a bridge. Dreaming is nice, but Blizzard filed a lawsuit against bnetd.org, you really thing they'll be supporting any private server? | ||
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sv14
Russian Federation66 Posts
On July 09 2005 18:24 Ilintar wrote: Dreaming is nice, but Blizzard filed a lawsuit against bnetd.org, you really thing they'll be supporting any private server? Hehe, I have no much time to dream. I didn't say a word about Bnetd. Bnetd was just an instrument which was employed by PGT lately. The most important thing here is the willingness of community to play comfortably in hackfree environment and Blizzard's support of this idea. I can't except the variant, that upon the negotiations Blizzard could make an exception and allow PGT use Bnetd to host the service. I also can admit the possibility, that Blizzard might leave its own server resources for PGT. And finally, if it won't work, PGT could make its own server which will have nothing common with Bnetd and the principles of Bnetd. The only difficulty here is to persuade Blizzard that SC community really needs such a service. | ||
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~AreS]
Canada2170 Posts
On July 09 2005 15:36 -_- wrote: Finally, I'm getting somewhere. First, you shouldn't say money isn't the problem when it is. "Me and some other Admins are talking about getting it up and running. We got a private forum just for us Admins that was on PgTour. Hopefully we will figure something out soon!! I don't think money will be a issue at the moment with sponsors if we get them. so 400 a month on a server no biggie maybe" I guess it was a biggie? That's what sponsors are for.  Also, what happened to this? "One of the WebMasters posted this on the Admin Forum PGTour will be re-opening soon. I don't want to put an exact date, but we have a very interesting sponsorship deal. So thats good news Not going to put exact date just becuase we don't want to get your hopes up and not be able to open it up on that date." Did this fall out or what? No, not really, it still applies. Sorry, I'm not going to let you off easy now that I've got you responding. Do you have a sponsor? Are you trying to pony up yourself? Is this the only problem? We're got some arrangements. You must understand, I'm simply a Forum Admin. I know what's going on, but it's not my place to give out any specific details. That's left to Pat, Chr1s, TiLazer and Endurance. If I was allowed to tell you anything more, I would, trust me. I don't like keeping people in the dark, but it's not my decision. Everyone will be told when they decide it's time. | ||
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Mudang
Korea (South)21 Posts
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Canada2170 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On July 09 2005 19:24 sv14 wrote: Hehe, I have no much time to dream. I didn't say a word about Bnetd. Bnetd was just an instrument which was employed by PGT lately. The most important thing here is the willingness of community to play comfortably in hackfree environment and Blizzard's support of this idea. I can't except the variant, that upon the negotiations Blizzard could make an exception and allow PGT use Bnetd to host the service. I also can admit the possibility, that Blizzard might leave its own server resources for PGT. And finally, if it won't work, PGT could make its own server which will have nothing common with Bnetd and the principles of Bnetd. The only difficulty here is to persuade Blizzard that SC community really needs such a service. Doing so would completely contradict blizzard TOS. I don't think I corporation will make such a foolish mistake. If they do, I quit BW... | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On July 09 2005 20:23 ~AreS] wrote: Tell those bastards to give you the greenlight! Well, they might (better) have a good reason. Thanks for your responses and your hard work. PGT forever! | ||
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DiNGo
United States91 Posts
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Theory
United States254 Posts
I'm just curious, no biggy but you never know. They may find it quite interesting that such a ladder was created with such fame, ease of use and ability to detect hacks and the overrall ability to bring the foreign and korean scene that much closer? Sounds to me with all the various post about this sponsor and that going this way and not that you guys seriously need a good PR rep ;/ meh. | ||
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iNCuBuS_
United States905 Posts
If they did (thats a big if) agree to something, they would most likely have tons of ads on their site and on Bnet announcing their anti hack launcher and PGT site and such. Then tons of newbs (no offense, Im one too  ) would be crawling all over it, and lower the skill of the ladder as a whole. I liked going there in hopes of playing good people and getting better, and while I may not be very good, I know there are a lot worse than me out there, and Im afraid to think of them all swarming the PGT server or site and lowering the skill level that I (and others) hoped to achieve and the competetive nature of the ladder itself, with so many amazing players vying for top spots. | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On July 10 2005 18:15 iNCuBuS_ wrote: I like the idea of contacting blizzard... but think about it. If they did (thats a big if) agree to something, they would most likely have tons of ads on their site and on Bnet announcing their anti hack launcher and PGT site and such. Then tons of newbs (no offense, Im one too ) would be crawling all over it, and lower the skill of the ladder as a whole. I liked going there in hopes of playing good people and getting better, and while I may not be very good, I know there are a lot worse than me out there, and Im afraid to think of them all swarming the PGT server or site and lowering the skill level that I (and others) hoped to achieve and the competetive nature of the ladder itself, with so many amazing players vying for top spots.You're not lowering the skill level. You're just increasing the player base. Lowering the skill level would be if all the korean progamers left. | ||
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iNCuBuS_
United States905 Posts
Not to mention that if all those casual players joined, whos to say the koreans would stay? | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On July 10 2005 18:39 iNCuBuS_ wrote: The average skill level of the server as a whole would surely drop. While Im sure some good players who havent caught wind of PGT will at that point, and they will be a nice addition, but lets face it. Most of you dont like pubbying, and having all those casual players join with a chance to play gosus would be just like playing a public game, only on a different server. Not to mention that if all those casual players joined, whos to say the koreans would stay? ... isn't there a rank system to solve that problem? | ||
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hentarion
United States280 Posts
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